IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2014-04-29

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DocScrutinizer05listening22:57
juicemehi23:00
juicemeNow I hae the correct time&date, it seems23:00
juicemeOkay, I'll call the meeting in session.23:04
juicemeI have just re-read the last meeting's irclogs.23:04
DocScrutinizer05hi juiceme23:05
juicemeHi Doc23:05
DocScrutinizer05any progress on elections?23:05
juicemenot yet, I have to say I have been all too busy after easter.23:05
juicemebut now we have to get on to it23:06
juicemeor I have to, I guess :(23:06
DocScrutinizer05well, ignoring what we decided on our inaugural meeting about getting council elections into sync with HiFo elections, we probably have some time still. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2013#Election_timetable -> >>Election then starts 2013/12/08<<23:09
juicemeI have sent Woody mail and asked about the state of the election machine. Hopefully he can help me arrange the voting.23:11
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process#Running_an_election23:11
juicemethx23:11
DocScrutinizer05we should come up with a time table already23:15
juicemeokay, so if the last election nominations were finalized at 2013/11/3023:16
juicemethat means we need to get the same point at 2014/5/30, right?23:17
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DocScrutinizer05The date of the next election will be set by the council chair, not more than 6 months after the previous election.23:18
DocScrutinizer05The election date must be publicised at least 1 month in advance of the election.23:18
juicemewhich means we need announcement soon, to get candidates in a month23:18
DocScrutinizer05yes23:19
juicemeI'll write the introduction and call for candidates23:19
DocScrutinizer05fine :)23:20
DocScrutinizer05please get help from GeneralAntilles or Jaffa about which text template to re-use and where to publish the stuff23:21
juicemeI assume the broad lines will be pretty much like laast election, or do you think there's something that needs to be emphasized now?23:21
juicemethx, I'll do that.23:21
DocScrutinizer05I have no clue what to emphasize23:21
DocScrutinizer05I ahve no more capacity and not even motivation to deal with all this any longer23:22
juicemethen we'll go pretty much like last year23:22
juicemeyes23:22
juicemeI get your sentiment, it has been dificult23:22
chem|stsry... being late...23:23
juicemechem|st, hiya23:24
juicemenot so late I was last week...23:24
chem|sthmm, for the announcement, note that the Maemo Community e.V is in registration, maybe23:28
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juicemeOK, so I'll again post to council mailing list the drafts I'll draw up of the election announcement & introduction23:28
juicemebefore announcing for the community list.23:28
juicemeI'll include something about the current state of e.V. registration23:29
chem|stand that there is only one election and as long as there is HiFo this means for that too....23:29
juicemeyes23:29
chem|stit is the last HiFo Council as it will be desolved till the next23:29
DocScrutinizer05no way, there IS NO HiFo council23:30
juicemeBTW, where are the registration papes atm?23:30
DocScrutinizer05and any e.V. will not abolish or kill maemo council23:30
juicemeHiFo board, right?23:30
chem|stplease, no semantics - there is only one council... but responsibilities are also for hifo23:30
chem|stpapers are at niel's23:31
DocScrutinizer05I don't care, maemo council is not entangled with any e.V.23:31
juicemewas there some timelimit to the registration after the meeting, so that if we miss that ther'll be trouble?23:31
chem|stno timelimit afaik23:32
juicemeok, good. I was afraid the registration has to be done before some hard limit23:32
juicemeso23:32
juicemeis there AOB, I guess the election is paramount now?23:33
DocScrutinizer05when the e.V. is willing to accept maemo council as one of its entities in whatever form, that has no retroaction at maemo council and its election23:33
juicemeif nothing else, I'll need to be going23:33
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: what do you need, want? An official statement by council to be officially one from now on?23:33
DocScrutinizer05this has already happened long ago23:34
juicemeUnless I am mistaken, we did conclude thet there is just one council, and we are that, at some meeting before?23:34
chem|stso what are you argueing about? hifo is initiallizing transformation into an eV, with all assets...23:34
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: exactly23:34
juicemethere is just one council, period.23:35
DocScrutinizer05and any e.V. has no saying in what council does23:35
DocScrutinizer05it MUST NOT23:35
chem|st?23:35
juicemeand the Maemo e.V. is currently the same thing, and will continue to be23:35
juicemecouncil == Maemo e.V.23:36
DocScrutinizer05wut?23:36
juicemefor all paractial purposes23:36
juicemesorry, I mean board23:37
DocScrutinizer05definitely not23:37
chem|stjuiceme: no maemo eV council == hifo council == community council23:37
DocScrutinizer05there's a HiFo board of directors and a council, those are two segregate entities23:37
juicemewell, but just one council23:37
DocScrutinizer05yes23:37
DocScrutinizer05and that council doesn't care about e.V. in foundation23:38
chem|styes one council, and as soon as hifo disolves only one board which is not the same body at the moment anyways23:38
Siceloas a bystander, to DocScrutinizer05, board != council, whereas it appears that board = council to the rest of you. so saying there is one council is true from both points of view.23:41
Sicelo:/23:41
DocScrutinizer05council exists above, beyond, before and probably after HiFo and it doesn't have any obligations wrt e.V. and for sure elections are not related to any e.V. in foundation since the rules for those elections are completely maemo defined23:41
chem|stSicelo: board != council for all of us23:42
DocScrutinizer05Sicelo: board and council ever been two segregate entities23:42
Sicelook23:42
chem|stjuiceme: please put in the announcement that the elected will also be the elected councilors for the eV in registration just to make sure Doc does not screw anyone over later on23:42
DocScrutinizer05huh? aha!23:43
chem|stIf we need a vote for that, I hereby request to align the bodies of councils of all Maemo entities once and for all.23:43
DocScrutinizer05seems the only one to screw over somebody are you, and you are also the target of sucj screwing over23:43
DocScrutinizer05if you need such statement to define what your e.V. does, the ok, juiceme will note this in the announcement23:44
DocScrutinizer05and please explain to me how council can vote on what e.V. does regarding council?23:45
DocScrutinizer05for any such vote you suggest, you need to have it inside e.V. - NOT inside council23:46
chem|stcouncil can vote on what eV does regarding council?23:46
DocScrutinizer05I don't see that23:47
chem|stthe eV already defines "your" Council as its council in all bylaws... it is only you questioning any relation of maemo community council and maemo community eV's council...23:47
DocScrutinizer05I'm not questioning anything23:47
chem|stis there more than one council?23:48
DocScrutinizer05I'm just saying that any e.V. on this globe has no saying in what council does23:48
DocScrutinizer05so mentioning that there's a e.V. in registration is absolutely irrelevant to council elections23:49
DocScrutinizer05unless you need that for e.V. internal purposes I don't know of23:49
juicemeI'l draw up the draft, and let's consider that after it. I try to write up something that is definitive enough.23:49
chem|stthe announcement needs to be made, at least23:50
juicemeya, I'll have to go now, but I will of course check the logs for the rest of the day's meeting when writing the minutes.23:50
juicemebye23:50
chem|stbye23:51
Sicelo\o23:51
DocScrutinizer05o/23:52
DocScrutinizer05it's the e.V. bylaws that need to clearly state that whoever gets elected to maemo council is also e.V.'s council23:54
DocScrutinizer05this can't get defined and agreed upon inside council nor on any announcement23:54
DocScrutinizer05and for sure maemo council elections will not adhere to arbitrary rules set up in e.V. bylaws, since there's only one council with only one clear set of very unambiguous rules about elections to obey23:56
DocScrutinizer05those rules never did nor do they now mention HiFo or any successor of HiFo23:57
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process23:58

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