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| DocScrutinizer05 | I have to pick up my pizza, bbl in ~10 min | 21:56 |
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| juiceme | hiya! | 22:01 |
| juiceme | have a nice pizza, then :) | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's see | 22:05 |
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| win7mac | Hi! o/ | 22:08 |
| juiceme | o/ | 22:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 22:08 |
| win7mac | Met the attorney today... | 22:09 |
| win7mac | regarding liability of directors: they are only liable for damage by gross negligence and intent | 22:09 |
| win7mac | ...like every other member or anybody everywhere in the world... | 22:10 |
| juiceme | typical lawyer answer :) | 22:10 |
| juiceme | but still good to know even that | 22:11 |
| chem|st | o/ | 22:14 |
| win7mac | so an insurance for directors is probably not needed if you're aware what you're doing | 22:14 |
| win7mac | the oranization as such OTOH, is liable of damage done by them and there are insurances for that | 22:15 |
| chem|st | general insurance will be there, covers things like you damage or get damaged while working for the eV | 22:15 |
| win7mac | o/ chem|st | 22:16 |
| chem|st | win7mac: will you take over on the "Nokia" writings on the website and binaries available in repos? | 22:16 |
| win7mac | yeah, things like that | 22:16 |
| juiceme | How about the consequences on a legal attack towards the organization? | 22:16 |
| win7mac | what? | 22:16 |
| chem|st | binaries in repos are probably just non-free things | 22:16 |
| chem|st | juiceme: fundamentally bad but on what grounds? there is nothing on maemo.org harming anyone but maybe nokia and with nokia we will have a contract for that | 22:17 |
| win7mac | "consequences on a legal attack towards the organization?" financially - depends on the value | 22:18 |
| win7mac | with licences this can easily get high, I guess | 22:18 |
| chem|st | win7mac: we wont go that path again! maemo.org will not distribute licensed software intentionally | 22:19 |
| win7mac | sure | 22:19 |
| juiceme | from what I understood, there was a fear by Caig that on a litigation against Hildon Foundation the directors would posssibly suffer, that was one of the reasons for the change anyway, ? | 22:19 |
| win7mac | the major one I believe | 22:20 |
| chem|st | yeah in the us you might get sued for using "hildon" as someone called his pet that name before we did and claims name rights! | 22:20 |
| juiceme | Which really does not surprise me, as the US system is so geared that legal entities can extort money from eachother. | 22:21 |
| win7mac | I have no clue TBH, what my liability theoretically could be ATM, with the US HiFo | 22:21 |
| juiceme | I only want to make sure something like that is not possible in EU | 22:21 |
| win7mac | I can't tell you 100%, the attorney didn't know too, sorry | 22:22 |
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| win7mac | but as long as you don't do damage by gross negligence and intent, you should be fine | 22:22 |
| chem|st | well we need to have terms on the website that we are not liable for anyhting the account holders do, and that we have | 22:22 |
| juiceme | fortunately I think there's less chance of that, yes | 22:22 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:23 |
| win7mac | chem|st, exactly | 22:23 |
| chem|st | the biggest issue would be someone uploading stuff to the repos, and that is covered in our terms | 22:23 |
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| chem|st | same is for attachements on tmo | 22:24 |
| win7mac | right, stuff like that | 22:24 |
| win7mac | I already edited text in T+C and copyrights, just a sec... | 22:26 |
| win7mac | Contribution Guidelines - https://etherpad.mozilla.org/VkZSfdJhCI | 22:27 |
| win7mac | Terms + Conditions - https://etherpad.mozilla.org/tIXtr7R0nI | 22:27 |
| win7mac | Privacy Policy - https://etherpad.mozilla.org/oKCqgAcoTP | 22:27 |
| juiceme | thx, checking | 22:28 |
| win7mac | These documents need the same treatment: | 22:28 |
| win7mac | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/trademarks/ http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/licenses/ | 22:28 |
| win7mac | see my mail from 24.01.2014 18:50 | 22:29 |
| win7mac | this was more like a quick+dirty to replace Nokia by HiFo and to get rid of useless stuff | 22:30 |
| win7mac | very likely not advised to keep for the e.V. | 22:31 |
| juiceme | Terms & Conditions still talks about Hildon F. | 22:31 |
| win7mac | still... actually they say Nokia! | 22:32 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:32 |
| win7mac | http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/ | 22:33 |
| win7mac | http://maemo.org/legal/privacy_policy/ | 22:33 |
| juiceme | ah yes, the ones on the site itself. | 22:33 |
| win7mac | editings were not done with the e.V. in mind | 22:33 |
| juiceme | yes, I see. | 22:34 |
| win7mac | again, just a quick+dirty | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:34 |
| juiceme | It's good to know you are at it. | 22:34 |
| win7mac | Hi Doc! o/ | 22:34 |
| juiceme | hi, pizza was good? :) | 22:34 |
| win7mac | DocScrutinizer05, you have been exceptionally quiet on the topic e.V.-founding. I wonder if you will be available as a founder and continue your engagement in council until regular elections will be held. | 23:04 |
| win7mac | Your concerns towards the contract shouldn't hold you back from supporting the e.V. in general. If there are other concerns, please raise them. | 23:09 |
| juiceme | I need to be leaving | 23:12 |
| win7mac | Drafts for Bylaws, General Regulations and Board Regulations Document will be updated tomorrow | 23:20 |
| win7mac | These docs will get another review from the attorney and should be finalised by friday | 23:23 |
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