IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2014-02-11

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Win7MacDoc, I can't access ZNC acoount any more22:04
Win7Macis that on purpose?22:05
DocScrutinizer05no, that's just a side effect of me cleaning up stuff for shutting down a few of my servers22:10
Win7Macok, np thanks for the stay22:11
DocScrutinizer05HiFo, i hope you all received my mail about off-site backup of maemo22:12
DocScrutinizer05techstaff will not care anymore after this last effort to sort that issue, when we can't find a solution22:13
juicemejust a minute, just noticed your mail...22:14
chem|stI am now down to eric for asking for the right contact for anything as neither carsten nor carol came back to me, will try carsten once more22:15
juicemeDoc, what are the requirements for the backup (size, connectivity, ...?)22:17
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: chem|st: since HiFo ignores me, I delegate this probelm about securing maemo,org afainst fatal data loss to you now22:17
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: 4TB, 1Gb22:18
DocScrutinizer05preferrably unlimited traffic22:18
DocScrutinizer05and you'll need a sysop managing that sorage site22:18
juiceme4TB is daoble, easy, but the bw is a bit on the highh side...22:19
DocScrutinizer05techstaff is not planning to do any such management22:19
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even sure our sysops have time to do a setup of the service again22:20
DocScrutinizer05the alternative to get two USB harddrives to do a on-site copy of the complete server to portable storage is basically off the table, since it would need Falk to move to IPHH and sit there and wait for the disks to get copied22:22
DocScrutinizer05up to HiFo if they want to gamble with maemo,org's fate. I'm just denying any responsibility what's going to happen to after end of this month22:24
DocScrutinizer05when magic smoke escapes from that supermicro at IPHH, not my fault. I got my personal backups of everything I need22:25
DocScrutinizer05and since HiFo seems to not care, why should techstaff?22:26
DocScrutinizer05we're all fed up22:26
juicemeI do sympathize, it is fairly thankless job.22:29
DocScrutinizer05it's not, unless your requests and warnings get ignored22:29
DocScrutinizer05it for sure is when you have to take the bashing and get blamed about blackmailing HiFo when you point at a problem22:30
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you said it is covered and you don't need any money atm, with that it is off the table until you ask for payment again, so what is the point?22:31
juicemeI am thinking, does it make sense to rent some storage from Amazon to upload the backup there...22:31
DocScrutinizer05I never saaid anything is covered22:32
DocScrutinizer05I said I'll probably keep up the service until end of march22:32
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: you told me that it is covered for now after I replied to a mail about this topic22:32
juicemeIf I remember correctly thet have a service where you can upload basically unlimited data to backup, and it only costs something to dowwnloaad that back when you need it.. (and even that was not too expensive)22:32
chem|stI gave my +1 on reimbursement...22:33
juicemeI will donate, only too bad my financial situation is such that asolute maximum I can give is 50eur/month or something...22:35
DocScrutinizer05yes, I recall that22:35
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: 50EUR/mo is all it needs22:35
DocScrutinizer05but I'm not willing to continue taking care about that on my own risk and expense, hoping for somebody maybe contributing via donations to a deprecated private paypal account that never really been meant to get used for that stuff22:36
DocScrutinizer05while taking all the bashing for doing exactly that22:37
DocScrutinizer05I did that for a year and some, now22:38
DocScrutinizer05it's enough22:38
DocScrutinizer05I'd be willing to transfer one amount from A to B, not more22:39
juicemeA and B being...?22:39
DocScrutinizer05A = HiFo, B = service22:40
juicemeah, sure22:40
DocScrutinizer05and I'm starting to reconsider if I'm even willing to do that much22:41
juicemewell, considering HiFo funds are not that much if I have understood it correctly then it is maybe too tedious to handle it22:43
chem|stwhat is your opinion on the proposed e.V. bylaws and structures?22:46
Win7Macwhat juiceme just mentioned as final draft in the meeting minutes is not possible AFAIK.23:00
Win7Maclatest drafts: and
Win7Macwhen this gets resolved, I can soon finalize the bylaws and complimenting docs in german and then have them translated23:07
chainsawbikewell i favor this option - as from my view the the extra division will only have a very small gain at a cost of more admin overhead23:15
Win7Macbut the other option shouldn't mean admin overhead - only purpose of the election-commitee is to vote for board23:19
Win7Macall other duties/rights remain where they were before (in the other draft)23:21
Win7MacAnd I would esp. like to hear councilors opinions!23:22
chainsawbikei was assuming that the board-election committee had other members - is it just current board and council or am i missing something?23:31
Win7Maccouncil and board form the board-election committee, no other members in there23:32
Win7Macother regular members have their say in the general assembly23:33
Win7Macactually this is closer to last weeks draft/agreement23:34
Win7Macjuiceme: your take on this ^^23:36
juicemeI was away for a whie23:40
chainsawbikeok then, from my point of view the only differences would be in legal things ( cannot read German so no opinion ) and isolating the board election to a small group - a risk but should be better in the long run as you want the board to be "steady"23:40
Win7Macbasicalyy yes23:41
Win7Macbut why would it be a risk?23:41
Win7Macor in what regard?23:41
Win7Macmain part is council23:42
juicemeWin7Mac, I cannot open the picture from imgur23:50
Win7Mactry the links from my last email then?23:52
juicemeit's the same thing, it does not open23:54
Win7Macyou mean you can't open any pictures on imgur?23:55
juicemeat least not that one23:55
juicemei can only see "" on the top, under that, nothing23:56
juicemelet me try wget it...23:56
juicemeoh yes, that works :)23:57
juicemebut firefox doesn't, strange...23:58
Win7Macon a desktop?23:59
juicemeso that's he final one23:59
Win7Macwell, if council agrees, we can go ahead then, yes23:59
Win7MacHiFo board tends towards this too23:59

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