IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2014-01-21

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DocScrutinizer05umm, topic not up to date?21:15
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chem|stno reply from carol on anything, pinged her several times, will ping her again22:02
juicemebusy times, I guess...22:02
chem|stno idea, at least a "yes I read you and will come back to you later" would be nice22:03
DocScrutinizer05winter holiday?22:03
chem|stthats in february usually or early march22:03
chem|stbut well she might be $home for spring festivals22:04
DocScrutinizer05nemein was completely abandoned last year22:04
DocScrutinizer05Rambo had to abort/cancel his holiday to do maemo porting22:05
DocScrutinizer05migration, rather22:05
DocScrutinizer05the x-fade broke a leg - in holiday22:05
DocScrutinizer05while skiing prolly22:05
juicemeholidays are a bit dangerous times, true22:05
juicemebroke my wrist 2 yrs ago, snowboarding :)22:06
DocScrutinizer05my away-msg tells it - I'm not really here22:07
chem|stone for the toopic list is "can we get rid of council@mo alias" as we have a ML setup properly now?22:07
DocScrutinizer05no we don't22:08
chem|stafter changing it where it is linked on site22:08
chem|stof course22:08
DocScrutinizer05the ML got cancelled since it didn't work22:08
chem|stwhat did not work?22:08
DocScrutinizer05we had it exposed on majordomo22:09
DocScrutinizer05and I at least use a mail addr that I can't use to send mail from it22:09
DocScrutinizer05and ML are not meant to receive mails from non-registered mail accounts22:10
juicemeYes, I am sorry I requested it, and evidently revealed your emal addresses :(22:10
DocScrutinizer05we had alias for four years now22:10
DocScrutinizer05and we don't want a moderator for that mail list22:11
DocScrutinizer05and no random users requesting registration22:11
DocScrutinizer05and no archives on any server22:11
DocScrutinizer05I mean, that's 3 people now, we could as well put them into "To:"22:12
chem|stwhat is that no archives shit?22:13
DocScrutinizer05the alias is just that: an alias22:13
chem|stwell never mind, seems you decided what is good, so be it22:13
juicemeyeah, I can live with it.22:13
DocScrutinizer05I decided nothing, I pointed to facts that forbid22:14
DocScrutinizer05having a web interface to request registration to council ML is a nogo22:15
DocScrutinizer05so is the potential exposure of mail archives on http22:15
DocScrutinizer05and somebody needs to *moderate* a ML22:16
DocScrutinizer05*I* won't do that22:16
DocScrutinizer05seems warfare also had no mood to do22:16
chem|stdo you know the most common misconceptions about user-databases?22:16
chem|stseems that's it for now?!22:17
freemangordonchem|st: could you spend a couple of minutes on #maemo-ssu after you finish there?22:18
juicemeI don't think moderation is a requirement on a mailing list. At least we use an internal majordomo thingy that just forwards postings to all list members without moderation22:18
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: and who adds members to that internal ML? who rejects members from ML, who rejects mail from non-registered users to that ML?22:19
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: noone rejects mail to that ML22:19
juicemeah yes, you mean _that_ by moderation :)22:19
chem|stmember registration is denied...22:19
chem|stby default22:19
chem|stso meeting is over?22:20
juicemeand it should well be so, on internal lists22:20
DocScrutinizer05tell that our ML setup22:20
juicemewell I guess ther's nothing really to discuss22:20
juicemewhat about the current status of HF?22:20
juicemeHiFo, I mean22:20
chem|stjuiceme: we have no secretary elected atm22:21
chem|stno reply from nokia in the meantime22:22
juicemeI could write up the minutes if that's necessary (since there was really not that much to discuss)22:23
DocScrutinizer05what except domain would we lose when Nokia doesn't finish that contract? compared to the contract we *might* get22:23
juicemeloosing the name would be a pain.22:25
DocScrutinizer05I could live with maemo-community.org22:25
juicemeis that available?22:26
DocScrutinizer05it still kinda violates the [TM]22:26
DocScrutinizer05but given what Nokia is denying we are probably better off without nokia than with22:27
DocScrutinizer05the complete infra sw and packages are FOSS and public22:28 even22:28
DocScrutinizer05I can't see Nokia claiming rights on midgard22:29
DocScrutinizer05or on the unparalleled unique web design of www.maemo.org22:29
juicemewhois says is available22:29
DocScrutinizer05thought as much22:29
DocScrutinizer05I'd rather use sth like maemotic.org22:30
DocScrutinizer05hard to claim a maemo [TM] in that one22:30
juicemein the long run it propably don't matter that much what it is.22:31
DocScrutinizer05in the short run however it seems everything is better than maemo.org22:32
DocScrutinizer05we hoped for the domain, the flasher, the fiasco images, and tho root repos matching the fiasco image22:32
DocScrutinizer05seems all we may ever get is *maybe* the domain22:33
DocScrutinizer05I might be mistaken22:33
juicemewell, the people in Nokia who cared have al gone away a long time ago22:33
juicemenow, I guess there's none but MS-minded folk left22:34
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and they seem wildly determined to extinct fiasco images and all Nokia proprietary binaries from the internet22:35
DocScrutinizer05what is $random-package on maemo-extras worth without the OS to run on available anymore?22:36
DocScrutinizer05AIUI Nokia told us "you can have maemo , but not fremantle"22:37
juicemethat goes withthe mindset, if you cannot squeeze money out of it, bury it so deep nobody can get any benefits from it, ever, and hope that the people come back to you and buy something else :D22:37
DocScrutinizer05it feels exactly like this to me, yes22:37
freemangordonmaybe we should make our fiasko with only the free stuff on it22:38
DocScrutinizer05thus, my question been honest, and directed to rest of council, HiFo, AND users: what except domain would we lose when Nokia doesn't finish that contract? compared to the contract we *might* get22:39
juicemewhat's this "contract we *might* get" ?22:39
DocScrutinizer05is there anything?22:39
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: that's the question22:40
DocScrutinizer05is this contract really worth it anymore?22:40
DocScrutinizer05after all Nokia might try to use this contract to revoke stuff they already delibaerately and on own discretion handed over to us22:41
DocScrutinizer05we *might* lose more than we gain with THAT contract (NB I don't know the contract, only HiFo knows it - sth I question as well since in the end it's council that should decide if community realy wants such a contract or not22:43
DocScrutinizer05ToDo: evaluate FOSS status of the SDK (VM image)22:45
DocScrutinizer05I doubt Nokia may revoke it22:45
DocScrutinizer05alas it's been hosted on
DocScrutinizer05we might have to change that22:45
sixwheeledbeast~sdk links are for tablets-dev and are down at moment22:46
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: I really doubt Nokia can bring a linux distribution down wrom the inet :)22:48
freemangordonbecause SDK images are ubuntu with SB installed22:48
DocScrutinizer05they kill maemo community by revoking their fiasco images and flasher, and probably they will shut down nokia repos as well soon22:49
DocScrutinizer05yes, for the SDK I seriously doubt they have the right to revoke that22:49
DocScrutinizer05what they can revoke however are those rootstraps or watsitcalled22:50
keriodo we have mirrors for those?22:51
DocScrutinizer05you need to install the proprietary nokia binaries (x86/arm) from nokia repos22:51
kerionokia repos and SDK stuff22:51
DocScrutinizer05again, I suggest to torrent your working SDK VM image you are just using22:53
freemangordonwith my private keys on it? no way :)22:53
DocScrutinizer05I don't think there are many mirrors of Nokia repos22:53
freemangordonhmm, now I have a new 2 TB drive, I could mirror some stuff22:54
freemangordonjust in case22:54
DocScrutinizer05ok, I'm tired of fighting this battle22:56
DocScrutinizer05particularly since it's against opponents I considered on "our" side22:56
DocScrutinizer05and - as my "away" message says: I'm not really here22:57
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chem|stfreemangordon: you need about 3.5 TB if you want to download all of it23:28

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