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| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, topic not up to date? | 21:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yoh | 21:59 |
| chem|st | o/ | 22:01 |
| chem|st | no reply from carol on anything, pinged her several times, will ping her again | 22:02 |
| juiceme | o/ | 22:02 |
| juiceme | busy times, I guess... | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:03 |
| chem|st | no idea, at least a "yes I read you and will come back to you later" would be nice | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | winter holiday? | 22:03 |
| chem|st | thats in february usually or early march | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno | 22:04 |
| chem|st | but well she might be $home for spring festivals | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nemein was completely abandoned last year | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rambo had to abort/cancel his holiday to do maemo porting | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | migration, rather | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the x-fade broke a leg - in holiday | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then* | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while skiing prolly | 22:05 |
| juiceme | holidays are a bit dangerous times, true | 22:05 |
| juiceme | broke my wrist 2 yrs ago, snowboarding :) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my away-msg tells it - I'm not really here | 22:07 |
| chem|st | one for the toopic list is "can we get rid of council@mo alias" as we have a ML setup properly now? | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no we don't | 22:08 |
| chem|st | after changing it where it is linked on site | 22:08 |
| chem|st | of course | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the ML got cancelled since it didn't work | 22:08 |
| chem|st | ? | 22:08 |
| chem|st | what did not work? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had it exposed on majordomo | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I at least use a mail addr that I can't use to send mail from it | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and ML are not meant to receive mails from non-registered mail accounts | 22:10 |
| juiceme | Yes, I am sorry I requested it, and evidently revealed your emal addresses :( | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we had alias for four years now | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we don't want a moderator for that mail list | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no random users requesting registration | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no archives on any server | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, that's 3 people now, we could as well put them into "To:" | 22:12 |
| chem|st | what is that no archives shit? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the alias is just that: an alias | 22:13 |
| chem|st | well never mind, seems you decided what is good, so be it | 22:13 |
| juiceme | yeah, I can live with it. | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I decided nothing, I pointed to facts that forbid | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | having a web interface to request registration to council ML is a nogo | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so is the potential exposure of mail archives on http | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and somebody needs to *moderate* a ML | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* won't do that | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems warfare also had no mood to do | 22:16 |
| chem|st | do you know the most common misconceptions about user-databases? | 22:16 |
| chem|st | seems that's it for now?! | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: could you spend a couple of minutes on #maemo-ssu after you finish there? | 22:18 |
| juiceme | I don't think moderation is a requirement on a mailing list. At least we use an internal majordomo thingy that just forwards postings to all list members without moderation | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: and who adds members to that internal ML? who rejects members from ML, who rejects mail from non-registered users to that ML? | 22:19 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: noone rejects mail to that ML | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 22:19 |
| juiceme | ah yes, you mean _that_ by moderation :) | 22:19 |
| chem|st | member registration is denied... | 22:19 |
| chem|st | by default | 22:19 |
| chem|st | so meeting is over? | 22:20 |
| juiceme | and it should well be so, on internal lists | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell that our ML setup | 22:20 |
| juiceme | well I guess ther's nothing really to discuss | 22:20 |
| juiceme | what about the current status of HF? | 22:20 |
| juiceme | HiFo, I mean | 22:20 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we have no secretary elected atm | 22:21 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:22 |
| chem|st | no reply from nokia in the meantime | 22:22 |
| juiceme | I could write up the minutes if that's necessary (since there was really not that much to discuss) | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what except maemo.org domain would we lose when Nokia doesn't finish that contract? compared to the contract we *might* get | 22:23 |
| juiceme | loosing the name would be a pain. | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could live with maemo-community.org | 22:25 |
| juiceme | is that available? | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it still kinda violates the [TM] | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but given what Nokia is denying we are probably better off without nokia than with | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buzzword tablets-dev.nokia.com | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the complete maeo.org infra sw and packages are FOSS and public | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo.org even | 22:28 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see Nokia claiming rights on midgard | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or on the unparalleled unique web design of www.maemo.org | 22:29 |
| juiceme | whois says maemo-community.org is available | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather use sth like maemotic.org | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hard to claim a maemo [TM] in that one | 22:30 |
| juiceme | in the long run it propably don't matter that much what it is. | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the short run however it seems everything is better than maemo.org | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we hoped for the domain, the flasher, the fiasco images, and tho root repos matching the fiasco image | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems all we may ever get is *maybe* the domain | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be mistaken | 22:33 |
| juiceme | well, the people in Nokia who cared have al gone away a long time ago | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:33 |
| juiceme | now, I guess there's none but MS-minded folk left | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and they seem wildly determined to extinct fiasco images and all Nokia proprietary binaries from the internet | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what is $random-package on maemo-extras worth without the OS to run on available anymore? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI Nokia told us "you can have maemo , but not fremantle" | 22:37 |
| juiceme | that goes withthe mindset, if you cannot squeeze money out of it, bury it so deep nobody can get any benefits from it, ever, and hope that the people come back to you and buy something else :D | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it feels exactly like this to me, yes | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | maybe we should make our fiasko with only the free stuff on it | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus, my question been honest, and directed to rest of council, HiFo, AND users: what except maemo.org domain would we lose when Nokia doesn't finish that contract? compared to the contract we *might* get | 22:39 |
| juiceme | what's this "contract we *might* get" ? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there anything? | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: that's the question | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is this contract really worth it anymore? | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all Nokia might try to use this contract to revoke stuff they already delibaerately and on own discretion handed over to us | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we *might* lose more than we gain with THAT contract (NB I don't know the contract, only HiFo knows it - sth I question as well since in the end it's council that should decide if community realy wants such a contract or not | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ) | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ToDo: evaluate FOSS status of the SDK (VM image) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt Nokia may revoke it | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's been hosted on tablets-dev.nokia.com | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might have to change that | 22:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sdk links are for tablets-dev and are down at moment | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~sdk | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I really doubt Nokia can bring a linux distribution down wrom the inet :) | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | *from | 22:48 |
| freemangordon | because SDK images are ubuntu with SB installed | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they kill maemo community by revoking their fiasco images and flasher, and probably they will shut down nokia repos as well soon | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, for the SDK I seriously doubt they have the right to revoke that | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what they can revoke however are those rootstraps or watsitcalled | 22:50 |
| kerio | do we have mirrors for those? | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to install the proprietary nokia binaries (x86/arm) from nokia repos | 22:51 |
| kerio | nokia repos and SDK stuff | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, I suggest to torrent your working SDK VM image you are just using | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | with my private keys on it? no way :) | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think there are many mirrors of Nokia repos | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | hmm, now I have a new 2 TB drive, I could mirror some stuff | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | just in case | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm tired of fighting this battle | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since it's against opponents I considered on "our" side | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and - as my "away" message says: I'm not really here | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 22:57 |
| juiceme | ya. | 22:57 |
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| chem|st | freemangordon: you need about 3.5 TB if you want to download all of it | 23:28 |
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