IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Tuesday, 2014-01-07

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DocScrutinizer05juiceme: can you ping qwazix please?15:35
DocScrutinizer05he should know where and how to post those meeting minutes15:35
DocScrutinizer05or chem|st15:35
juicemeDocScrutinizer05, thanks15:38
qwazixjuiceme, DocScrutinizer05 I'm here16:32
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: hi! :-916:33
DocScrutinizer05:-) even16:33
qwazixhi16:35
qwazixbtw status update on n900-bake is null as the flux I order never came, I have to order another one16:38
DocScrutinizer05:-/16:41
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: consider Vapor Phase instead of oven16:41
* qwazix googles vapor phase16:42
DocScrutinizer05http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/307715  https://shop.klingler.net/product-details.de.php?productid=10012&id=8001016:45
DocScrutinizer05http://www.smta.org/chapters/files/Arizona-Sonora_IBL_SMTA_AZ_Expo_2012Dec4.pdf16:46
DocScrutinizer05http://www.ibrtses.com/g/dampfphasenloeten.html16:47
qwazixwow thanks16:47
DocScrutinizer05but you don't need that fancy and dangerous prototype in that last link, just use a huge pot and your stove16:48
DocScrutinizer05maybe a glass lid is helpful16:48
DocScrutinizer05or, even better, a glass bowl filled with cold water16:49
DocScrutinizer05so the vapor can condense there and doesn't escape the pot16:49
qwazixhmm, I''16:49
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qwazixDocScrutinizer05, sorry for disappearing, technical difficulties17:02
DocScrutinizer05np17:02
* DocScrutinizer05 curses TLS, can't send mails17:03
qwazixI'll check those documents out and see if I can manage it, thanks. I'll be on/off here @work atm17:04
DocScrutinizer05basic idea: get a pot with a fluid that evaporates @ 230°C. will gently heat up your complete board to exactly that temperature, without any overheating, and damn fast17:07
DocScrutinizer05called Vapor Phase Soldering17:08
DocScrutinizer05but I guess that's pretty OT in this chan17:08
qwazixhmm, nice idea17:08
qwazixyeah17:08
juicemehi again, Doc, qwazix18:58
juicemewas away on an IRL meeting for the last few hours...18:59
sixwheeledbeastmeeting minutes :) thanks juiceme19:31
juicemewell i kind of left it to the last minute :)19:38
juicemeBTW am now on theroad19:39
juicemethe IRL meeting I attended took longer than I anticipated so lets see if i get home before MCC19:40
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DocScrutinizer05you have another 40 minutes for that, it seems20:19
juicemehere I am, now :)20:52
juicemewith 10 minutes to spare, even...20:52
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warfare'evening.20:56
juicemewelcome.20:57
sixwheeledbeasto/20:58
chem|sto720:59
Win7Machi o/21:00
Win7Machappy new year! :)21:01
DocScrutinizer05hi!21:01
juicemeoo, that too21:01
Win7Macmet warfare today and brought the 2 crates of beer to IPHH that _he_ promised them. So sorry Doc for that unfortunate mail, it was just my assumption it was you... No need to act so harsh though.21:01
Win7MacMet some really nice guys there and had the chance to talk to the boss. We changed the billing adress to my home adress (until further notice). Regular invoice will come in march.21:01
Win7MacEven had the chance to take a look on our server in its heavily secured and AC'ed server-room, very interesting, never saw this21:02
warfare:)21:02
Win7Macin RL before21:02
Win7MacHI! :)21:02
juicemegeepr0n :)21:02
DocScrutinizer05great!21:02
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Win7Macsure thing!21:03
DocScrutinizer05any agenda for today?21:03
juicemetopic for contest ?21:04
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: you're in council garage group and thus can post to blog etc?21:04
juicemeokay, did not try that yet.21:05
DocScrutinizer05I failed to read the meeting minutes of last meeting, sorry. Was a busy day at my end21:06
DocScrutinizer05actually still is21:06
juicemebtw, the council mailing list is behaving badly towards our mailserver, community list is ok.21:06
DocScrutinizer05so I dunno what else might be on our agenda for today21:06
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: please elaborate21:06
DocScrutinizer05what's "our mailserver"?21:07
juicemewell, as I had it explained by our admin; when i send stuff on the list, it echoes it back to the list members, me including21:07
DocScrutinizer05I seen warfare around, so we could have this sorted out on info level right away21:08
chem|stjuiceme: that is cause it is no ML but a simple forwarder21:08
juicemebut when our server (swagman) sees my address coming from outside, it bounces21:08
juicemeexactly21:08
warfareoh my.21:08
chem|stnothing wrong with it... not getting the mail is actually feature21:08
DocScrutinizer05that's a simple mail alias21:08
juicemeya but it breaks rfc21:09
DocScrutinizer05is there any actual severe problem with this?21:10
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: nope21:10
DocScrutinizer05then I suggest we postpone this andf handle it not in meeting21:10
chem|stwould be nice to have the incoming filtered to not forward to...21:10
juicemetrue. just came to my mind, that's all21:11
DocScrutinizer05np21:11
DocScrutinizer05:-)21:11
DocScrutinizer05please check garage group "maemo council" if you're already member!21:12
chem|stfor the contest.. topic is quiet clear - native opensource sailfishOS aps21:12
chem|stwhat is unclear is how to fund, what to fund and if yes how much21:12
DocScrutinizer05I have yet another idea: fremantle porting hackaton/contest21:13
juicemeI was thinking of multiplatform SW contest, something that is useful on _ALL_ maemo derived platforms :)21:14
DocScrutinizer05sounds pretty good but also quite fuzzy21:14
juicemehow much has usually been needed for prizes?21:15
chem|stgiven there is no contest yet, a name could be Premiere Jolla Regatta21:16
chem|stjuiceme: we never needed to fund it our own21:16
DocScrutinizer05then funding should be done by Jolla, obviously21:16
Win7Macdoesn't hurt to ask them, but they could do it themselves if they wanted...21:18
DocScrutinizer05while I might ponder funding the porting fremantle hackaton from neo900.org funds with a number of beagleboards and maybe one or two vouchers for complete Neo90021:18
juicemechem|st, yes, I was just thinkin for an estimate if we need to try to raise funds... of course donated devices would be best.21:18
DocScrutinizer05one, max21:18
juicemeDocScrutinizer05,that would be wonderful :D21:19
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: companies usually don't manage such contests themselves21:19
DocScrutinizer05they are busy dong "real work2 ;-P21:20
juicemeof course it does not hurt to ask Jolla but then the topic would need to be jollaspecific21:20
Win7Macjust wanted to point out the possibility they might say no. and then?21:20
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: not necessarily21:21
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: well, then we have no funding21:21
DocScrutinizer05I think you first should find a way how you can fund such an event, only then start to announce it21:22
Win7Macsure21:22
juicemeyes, thats the most useful way21:23
DocScrutinizer05we're already doing Jolla's job here, in their best interest better than they ever could by themselves21:23
DocScrutinizer05providing a few devices for prizes is the least they could do21:23
DocScrutinizer05they should be used to that from their Nokia times21:23
Win7Macagain, sure, but _i think_ they want to promote their own sites and services21:24
DocScrutinizer05then that's their own fault21:24
Win7Macjust an assumption though21:24
Win7MacDocScrutinizer05, donate your Jolla and you get a refund from HiFo. how much?21:26
DocScrutinizer05honestly when you plan to organize a hotdog eating contest and you approach the most famous sausage manuf asking them for free sausages for the hotdogs, and they tell you "F* off we are not interested" - will you go "duh, then we find the same brand of sausage from some supermarket or elsewhere"?21:26
chem|stno I find another manufacturer21:27
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: you can't do that and I can't do that either21:27
juiceme:)21:27
chem|stbut that does not work in our case21:27
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: exactly, but how many sausage manufacturers would kick you out the door when you ask them for a few sausages for a contest that brings them massive publicity?21:28
juicemethat would really depend if they are really broke.21:29
DocScrutinizer05in our case not only publicity but even *APPS*21:29
chem|stnone.... I will talk to carsten and others about our options with them21:29
DocScrutinizer05good, thanks!21:29
chem|stother thing is meeting hours21:30
DocScrutinizer05and "Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers "21:30
juicemethat't a bit too clowny stuff to tout here :)21:31
chem|sthow about tuesday 1900?21:31
DocScrutinizer05aah, thanks, I planned to bring it up already21:32
DocScrutinizer05fine with me21:32
juicemeshould be ok... 20:00 even bbetter21:32
DocScrutinizer05fine with me either21:33
chem|st20is ok with me21:34
DocScrutinizer05so 20 it is21:35
juicemesplendid!21:35
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Win7Machow about: Council meetings every Tuesday 20:00UTC21:38
DocScrutinizer05any news from HiFo?21:38
Win7Macwell, Woody answered Teos' last mail and he responded positively21:38
DocScrutinizer05geat! will we finally get the nasty stuff sorted? like DNS/domain ownership etc21:39
Win7Macagreement can soon be signed it, it ssems. for maemo name + domain rights, but no firmwares or flashing tools allowed21:39
juicemeare there any roadblocks? or is it just that people do not know how to do it?21:40
Win7Macwoody is in the know21:40
juicemeah OK21:40
DocScrutinizer05meh, firmware and flashing tools are in the piratebay already21:40
Win7Machehe21:40
juicemesources would be paramount21:40
DocScrutinizer05their own fault, that happens when no official legit source21:41
DocScrutinizer05woody told them21:41
DocScrutinizer05but probbaly that's not even their headache21:41
DocScrutinizer05I guess they actually are fine with it, that way21:42
Win7Macremaing issues for HiFo: paypal, adress and... well, e.V... but I won't do it alone!21:42
juicemeyes, the paypal account... it's logng time since i tried to donate, and it bounced21:43
juicemethat was due the account ownership or something?21:43
DocScrutinizer05PP not confirmed by backing bank account21:43
DocScrutinizer05or somesuch21:44
juicemebut there was some related issue?21:44
juicemecos it bounced21:44
DocScrutinizer05yes, it's frozen then21:44
Win7Macright21:44
juicemehas that been fixed?21:44
Win7Macnot yet. Woodys' topic, he knows21:45
juicemeok21:45
DocScrutinizer05woody is pretty busy it seems21:45
Win7Macright21:45
Win7MacI wish I could do anything21:45
DocScrutinizer05which probably is a good thing since I guess he likes his job21:45
juicemelucky bastard :)21:46
DocScrutinizer05meh, don't worry too much, donations came to a grinding halt several months ago21:46
DocScrutinizer05(like job) who wouldn't like working with airplane tech geeky stuff?21:47
juicemei guess there'd be donations if there was a way to do it easy...21:47
DocScrutinizer05yeah, ~2 to 3 come on my PP acct per month, a total of 20..30EUR21:47
DocScrutinizer05reduces my own contribution to about the same, to pay for those inofficial infra21:48
DocScrutinizer05fixed amout are ~60 bucks per month iirc21:48
juicemeah yes i had forgotten about that, that it's possible to donate thru you?21:49
DocScrutinizer05some donations are explicitly "for techstaff", I abuse them for paying servers21:49
juicemei guess people do not remember that21:49
DocScrutinizer05well, it's writtin in same location where donations got first asked for21:50
juicemehmmm.. then it's only me that has frgotten it :(21:50
DocScrutinizer05we don't need money, we need manpower21:51
DocScrutinizer05or so incredibly much money that we can buy manpower21:52
juicemewell money does not hurt, it can be used for contest prizes if there's leftover after infra costs21:53
Win7Macthat is indeed the case21:53
juicemeif there was loads of the stuff, say.21:53
DocScrutinizer05for now I can't even get half-payment for that 16h/day 24/7 ob I do with neo900 and maemo21:53
juicemelots of hours there :(21:54
Win7MacDoc, you're talking about skeiron, right? - can't we place that in the server at IPHH? - lots of HDD-slots still available there21:55
DocScrutinizer05yes, and stuff pending I need to get done today, so if there's nothing else....21:55
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: skeiron? what is skeiron? never heard of that21:56
juicemecloud7... thought you were also with that21:56
DocScrutinizer05clud7 is my box, right21:57
DocScrutinizer05cloud even21:57
juicemeya21:57
chem|stjuiceme: skeiron is another privat party...21:58
Win7Macanyway, is this private or something HiFo should take of?21:58
Win7Mac*take care of21:58
chem|stand stays private21:58
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: aren't you HiFo too?21:58
chem|sthifo MUST not take care of21:59
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: yep21:59
DocScrutinizer05thanks!21:59
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DocScrutinizer05please sort your stuff internally!21:59
juicemeright.21:59
chem|stsure21:59
juicemeaob or should we close?22:00
DocScrutinizer05o/22:00
chem|sto/22:00
juicemeya22:00
juicemenext week, then.22:00
chem|stjuiceme: let me know about trouble with posting minutes22:00
DocScrutinizer05bye22:00
juicemechem|st, Ill try it ans ask you if it doesnt work.22:01
juicemebye22:01
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