IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Wednesday, 2013-12-18

chem|stDocScrutinizer51: ping00:04
juicemehi all00:04
chem|stshite he told to ping him 1-2h ahead...00:04
juicemethe time is about right ?00:05
juicemethis is the first time for me @ formal maemo meeting, so I'll try to be a nice listener :)00:06
chem|stneed to wait for qwazix and doc00:07
merlin1991hey juiceme00:11
juicemehiya :)00:11
DocScrutinizer05ooh hi00:13
juicemeso missing qwazix?00:14
Win7Machey guys, congrats!00:14
DocScrutinizer05sorry, forgot time00:14
juicemenp, so did I, almost00:14
Win7Macand welcome Jussi! \o/00:14
juicemeWin7Mac, thanks00:14
DocScrutinizer05yeah, wellcome jusi00:15
DocScrutinizer05jussi, sorry00:15
juicemethanks :)00:17
DocScrutinizer05I think we can proceed without quazix being here00:17
chem|stOk then...00:18
chem|stWelcome to the MCC Handover Meeting Q4/201300:18
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: get used to attending meetings00:18
juicemeYes, I am paying attention :)00:19
juicemeis there a formal agenda?00:19
chem|stjuiceme is already setup with mailing so there is garage/talk/midgard missing, right?00:20
DocScrutinizer05I think chem|st (as chair) announces the election results, welcomes the new members, farewells and thanks the leaving members00:20
chem|stthanks to chainsawbike wiki is settled :)00:20
freemangordonoh, BTW congrats to the new council members. And good night :)00:20
DocScrutinizer05right, garage account/group00:20
DocScrutinizer05I don't know of any talk related things to get taken care about, re council00:21
chem|stwell MCC Elected for Q4 is in order DocScrutinizer51 chem|st juiceme00:21
chem|stas we merged last term I need to thank sixwheeledbeast thedead1440 for stepping down to make the merger of MCC and HFC even possible00:22
juicemeAt least my Garage account should be okay, even though I have not used it a lot00:22
* sixwheeledbeast waves00:22
* thedead1440 too00:23
DocScrutinizer05yes, many thanks for mentioning it. Also thanks to thedead1440 and sixwheeledbeast from me, and I think their inofficial consulting MCC member status ended today00:23
juicemeGuys, thank you very much, I am honored to be serving in your footsteps!00:23
chem|stanother big thanks goes to both qwazix and merlin1991, who both did and still do an awesome job for our community00:24
chem|stDocScrutinizer51: is that enough now? :)00:24
* chem|st feels irritated00:24
DocScrutinizer05and of course another thanks to merlin1991 and qwazix from me too00:24
chem|stI will manipulate talk acounts after the meeting00:25
DocScrutinizer05I think we need to nominate new chair eventually, but doesn't need to get done today00:25
chem|stas we are only three...00:26
chem|stgo for it00:26
DocScrutinizer05what we *should* do today is planning for _next_ election to be in sync with HiFo board elections00:26
Win7Macgood point (not sure about today)00:26
DocScrutinizer05I announced I can't allocate more than maybe max 2h per week to council, since I'm busy with a lot of other stuff00:27
chem|stwe should at least keep it in mind, even if this term is shortened by it but who cares that much?00:27
DocScrutinizer05that's all I wanted to have in the records00:27
DocScrutinizer05(keep it in mind)00:27
juicemeI have nothing to add atm :)00:28
chem|stfrom my experience it would be a pretty good idea to nominate juiceme for chair, I learned my way around that way (and will assist here and there)00:28
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: the garage account is maemo_council or somesuch, a project you will become member and thus automatically get certain permissions on etc00:29
thedead1440one point: there is no neo900 sub-forum on talk and jolla's sub-forum is still titled "jolla the other half"... maybe finally this can be fixed...00:29
DocScrutinizer05no objection regarding juiceme for chair00:29
chem|stthedead1440: it is jolla & the other half... and that is correct00:30
juicemeoaky, Ill have to learn the ropes...00:30
DocScrutinizer05chair also means moderation of meetings here in this chan00:30
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chem|styeah I will have some time next week to do some love to talk00:30
thedead1440ok and neo900?00:30
thedead1440ok thanks00:30
DocScrutinizer05and writing meeting minutes (if not assigned to somebody else)00:31
chem|stthedead1440: there is a bit more than just adding a new sub to talk atm00:31
DocScrutinizer05and most important task of chair: supervise, and announce, elections when due00:32
thedead1440chem|st: dont you think additional mods are needed too? the jolla stuff needs at least two people fixing it up so imo maybe a call for mods to apply should be done via council or by you00:33
chem|stjuiceme: it is ok to say no... just a sidenote00:33
chem|stthedead1440: one topic of my talk todo-list00:34
chem|styou want to expand?00:34
juicemei think even though I am chair now I will resort to saying a lot of "OK" for a while.00:34
juicemeI was not really prepared for this..00:35
DocScrutinizer05not that much to do ATM00:35
chem|stjuiceme: that is why I say you may reject... we are only three... we can split it...00:35
DocScrutinizer05chair can delegate00:36
chem|stthe hardest part is maybe to write the blog entries in html...00:36
juicemeif it would suit you, as I feel like thrown in the deep end right now00:36
chem|stbut there are wysiwyg editors...00:36
thedead1440chem|st: i have a lot on my plate in rl; i could help tiding stuff here and there but can't be dedicated to consistently cleaning up stuff00:36
chem|stjuiceme: that is the intention - cold water...00:36
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: we will help and advise you00:36
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: don't worry00:37
juicemeallright :) cos that's what i need00:37
chem|stthedead1440: yeah there are more and more people droping in and I am actually looking closely... post and who to ask for moderation00:37
chem|stjuiceme: sure thing00:38
DocScrutinizer05should we define a new time and day for weekly council meeting right away?00:38
chem|stcan we have a quick scheduling for meetings in general and for till next year?00:39
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: pupose of public council meeting is not we three chat with each other, we can do that any time. public council meetings are for community to contact us and discuss with us whatever they feel needs to get handled00:40
DocScrutinizer05for that we need a fixed date00:40
thedead1440DocScrutinizer05: +100:40
juicemehow often have the meetings been held in the past?00:42
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: you got an invitation00:42
thedead1440please do consider when fixing timings not to go over 1800UTC as some people are on the other end of the planet too :D00:42
DocScrutinizer05basically weekly00:42
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: yeah, I see00:42
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: that is not what I was asking for :) I was asking for defined dates and special attention to the holidays as I cannot do "weekly" till 2014/01/0600:42
DocScrutinizer05ooh, so please suggest dates. i'm mostly available00:43
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: how about your availability?00:44
chem|stI can do Mon-Wed most of the time, every to every second week Thu, Fri-Sun once in a while00:45
qwazixsorry guys, my notification didn't chime :-(00:45
DocScrutinizer05hi qwazix :-)00:45
qwazixa big welcome to juiceme00:46
juicemeI am mostly available evenings +2utc, altough fridays and weekends may be more difficult00:46
juicemeqwazix, hi00:47
DocScrutinizer05sorry, that's 2:oo UTC?00:47
juicemeno, my timezone :)00:47
DocScrutinizer05we got beter chances for proper dates when we use absolute times in 24h format ;-)00:48
juiceme19:00 utc ->00:48
chem|stthat sounds better00:48
DocScrutinizer05not for thedead1440, but that's a mission impossible to solve00:49
juicemeanother timeslot for me, I could do 05:00 utc most mornings, at least an hour00:50
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: can you write up a ad-hoc list of points to do, and append your meeting date suggestions as appropriate00:50
DocScrutinizer05ugh, that's probably not convenient for a lot of people00:51
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: I have only two items in mind...00:51
qwazix5:00 utc doesn't work for me (though I'm not required to attend, I still plan to if possible)00:51
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: I hoped you'd say that :-)00:51
sixwheeledbeastjuiceme: don't worry there will always be someone to ask for help if required.00:51
chem|stjuiceme: what is tuesdays the earliest you can make00:51
juicemei thought it could prove difficult for most people in europe :)00:51
DocScrutinizer05nah, 1900utc sounds fine for me00:51
sixwheeledbeastqwazix: +100:51
chem|stso Mon-Wed, pick a day^^00:52
juicemetuesdays I think 19:00 is okay, might be difficult to make it earlier00:52
DocScrutinizer05err *next* mon-wed?00:53
* DocScrutinizer05 lurks at callendar00:53
juicemeit's christmas next week...00:53
DocScrutinizer05I thnk tuesday is a poor choice for next two weeks ;-)00:53
DocScrutinizer05I guess next week every day is a poor choice00:54
chem|stwell skip next two weeks...00:54
DocScrutinizer05fine with me, if we got no pressing issues00:54
chem|stwe start with regular meetings in the new year then...00:54
juicemeI hope there's nothing that urgent during the holidays00:54
qwazixspontaneous meetings are also possible in the unfortunate case that there is00:55
DocScrutinizer05unless HiFo finally made it to get stuff sorted with nokia until end of year00:55
sixwheeledbeast20140107-190000Z then?00:55
chem|styou guys can make up your mind on the contest idea over the holidays...00:55
DocScrutinizer05which is what Nokia said MUST happen :-o00:55
Win7Macanswer from Nokia pending00:56
chem|stwell hifo is another topic and ^^00:56
qwazixchem|st, I'm all for a contest00:56
Win7Macchem|st, yeah... didn't mean to stop you00:56
DocScrutinizer05sixwheeledbeast: fine with me00:57
qwazixwe could make with better infra than tmo though (is there a way to tap into m.o user db with php?)00:57
chem|stwe need to get something rolling or we will be left behind (cold wind blowing from their direction)00:57
Win7Macso how can we justify to you infra-related donations for it?00:57
* sixwheeledbeast makes note of this in qalender00:57
chem|stWin7Mac: funding is one side...00:58
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Win7Macand TOH?00:58
chem|stif need be I will offer a Jolla myself00:58
Win7Macbtw, you own one?00:59
chem|sthave said that in the first upcoming discussion00:59
chem|styeah I have one00:59
DocScrutinizer05oooh, offer jolla00:59
* DocScrutinizer05 ponders00:59
Win7Macdidn't really expect that!00:59
chem|stexpect me having a jolla?00:59
Win7MacDoc, before you dare to see if it blends...00:59
chem|stI would not offer mine... I'd offer a new one01:00
DocScrutinizer05believe it or not, I didn't bother to power it up since 18h01:00
chem|stonly the ltd TOH is untouched01:00
Win7Macchem|st, yeah expected that, but didn't realize you mentioned itz on tmo01:00
DocScrutinizer05so, could we shortly resume the minutes, please?01:01
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: yeah save your time... my N9 is dieing on me and I am kinda forced to use a halfbaked OS...01:01
DocScrutinizer05I start with "gararge council goup"01:01
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: do you know midgard or is that Woody14619's domain?01:03
DocScrutinizer05##ToDo: gararge council goup // announce next council meeting on ML, blog01:03
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: basically nobody knows dat shite01:04
DocScrutinizer05woody knows some, I do too01:04
chem|stthought woody got me sorted last time01:04
chem|stjuiceme: can you sent the mail I do the html shite on midgard01:04
juicemejust a moment, I'll check01:05
DocScrutinizer05hmmmm, irssi. doesn't irssi show /invites ?01:05
chem|stit does01:06
juicemeah I thought you were taking about mail01:06
chem|stjuiceme: what are you checking with mail... take my last one remove the middle part and ad the minutes^^01:07
chem|stwell replace my name with yours!01:07
DocScrutinizer05you probably better provide a link01:08
juicemechem|st, now I'm puzzled01:09
* chem|st remembers to write even his own name wrong in mails...01:10
Win7Macchem|st, what drove you to using "|" in your nick?! not present on a kb...01:12
chem|stWin7Mac: pipe on german layout is alt-gr+><01:13
Win7Macyeah, but who knows?01:13
chem|stWin7Mac: anyone within linux CLI as you need that quiet often01:14
Win7Macah ok01:14
chem|stshift+\ on us layout01:14
chem|stpipe and ampersand are needed characters in several shells01:15
Win7Macwhat about the to-do list(s, for HiFo too), could that be a wiki-page or how to do that?01:15
chem|stkornshell even01:15
Win7Macok thanks01:15
chem|stWin7Mac: sure do we have a wiki or do you want to use the poisonous wiki.mo01:16
Win7Macour wiki01:16
chem|stask chair+sec to maintain a todo (those two know all the shit...)01:17
chem|stI am pretty much stuck on we have a bank account and waiting for nokia to respond01:17
juicemewhat exxactly are the things that need still be settled with nokia?01:18
chem|stneeded to activate a symposia registration page till yesterday (opened today^^)...01:18
juicemeI kind of thought it was already done all01:18
chem|stthey need to sign and send in paper afaik?!01:19
Win7Macno clue01:19
Win7Macsysmposia what?01:19
chem|stsymposium on vacuum based science and technology + symposium on applicated surface analytics01:21
chem|stWin7Mac: fachtagung01:21
DocScrutinizer05can we please set a date for next meeting? I'm running short on time01:21
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: 7th I thought01:21
juicemeokay, howabout tue 07.01.2014 ?01:22
DocScrutinizer05I don't know what you think, i don't hear it ;-)01:22
chem|stsixwheeledbeast said it loud....01:22
DocScrutinizer05and you didn't say anything01:22
sixwheeledbeast:nod: 20140107-190000Z01:23
DocScrutinizer05ok with me01:23
juicemeworks with me01:23
sixwheeledbeastgreat :)01:23
qwazixok with me too01:23
juicemeother urgent business?01:23
chem|stin between shoot mails01:23
DocScrutinizer05## next date for council meeting: 20140107-1900UTC01:23
chem|stthat's it for now01:24
juicemecoz I need to be going too01:24
chem|stthank you for your time everyone01:24
DocScrutinizer05as well01:24
juicemetahnk you everybody01:24
merlin1991I wish you guys a constructive term, maybe we even see a positive end to the dicussions with nokia :)01:24
Win7Macyea, thanks everybody01:24
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: thanks!01:24
DocScrutinizer05ooh, and juiceme, please stay in IRC, or visit daily01:25
juicemebye for now, I'm off to bed since need to wake up for work in 5 hours..01:25
DocScrutinizer05concil members supposed to be available on irc01:26
DocScrutinizer05of course not 24/701:26
juicemeI will. I am idling most of time (unless server crashes..)01:26
DocScrutinizer05juiceme: when you got a photo for the council wiki page, that would be fine01:27
DocScrutinizer05or at least an avatar01:27
DocScrutinizer05(photo preferred)01:27
Win7Macchem|st, you think the contest can wait or should we do it for new year?01:28
DocScrutinizer05I'm sure sixwheeledbeast will be happy to add it for you01:28
DocScrutinizer05or chainsawbike01:28
chem|stWin7Mac: we should agree on something on 7th01:29
chem|stWin7Mac: how many funding does hifo have not bound to hardware?01:29
Win7Macall, i think01:30
Win7Macit was for infra in general01:30
chem|stwell that is bound to infra01:30
sixwheeledbeastyep, you need help just ask. Especially with wiki stuff.01:30
Win7Macprimarily hosting IIRC01:31
chem|stsixwheeledbeast: we could use a what is where jolla wiki page, gathering all info known yet01:31
chem|sthavent checkd if someone started a userguid from our side yet01:32
Win7Machosting was the biggest concern back then...01:32
chem|stWin7Mac: then we need to ask for sponsorship01:32
DocScrutinizer05and we need that todo list!01:33
DocScrutinizer05good idea01:33
Win7MacHiFo sponsoring it? why not... but only since hosting seems np for next few years01:33
Win7Macand it helps keeping *mo alive01:34
DocScrutinizer05my "good idea2 was to todo list, my ack to "we need sponsoring by $community for contests"01:35
sixwheeledbeastis there a source for all known info? TBH I am not that interested in jolla so not up to date with "known info"01:37
Win7Macgood idea to wikipage for todo list or is there a better way?01:37
DocScrutinizer05whatever works01:38
DocScrutinizer05piratepad might be nice... or annoying01:38
DocScrutinizer05wiki has notifications on changes of the site01:39
DocScrutinizer05mail notifications01:39
DocScrutinizer05piratepad... not01:39
sixwheeledbeastthe only benefit is knowing who added what with pp, whereas "recent" is handy on wmo01:39
sixwheeledbeastCould use Council Discussion page?01:40
sixwheeledbeaston wmo01:40
DocScrutinizer05tmo is useless since you can't edit cooperatively01:40
DocScrutinizer05ooh, wmo you said01:41
Win7Macwiki.m.o seems right then01:41
sixwheeledbeast    ?01:41
DocScrutinizer05Win7Mac: what's state of IPHH contract?01:42
DocScrutinizer05and beer?01:42
sixwheeledbeast:) beer01:42
DocScrutinizer05we still owe those guys two crates of beer01:43
Win7Macstill waiting... saw your quote, but he didn't...01:43
Win7Macre: beer01:43
DocScrutinizer05waiting for what?01:43
Win7Machehe... last activity on ^^ link: 6 April 200901:44
Win7Macfalk didn't contact me01:44
DocScrutinizer05he told he'll send you a mail01:44
Win7Maci read it01:44
Win7Macsure i can bother him myself...01:45
Win7Macif you prefer01:45
DocScrutinizer05I suggest you do. sitting and waiting and twiddling thumbs doesn't get shit done01:45
DocScrutinizer05I hate it to ask you if you got that mail01:46
Win7Macright, basically, we only need bank details and things are good for another year01:46
DocScrutinizer05I'm not your dispatcher01:46
DocScrutinizer05when something doesn't happen as expected, please *holler* at _least_01:47
Win7MacI didn't exactly set a deadline for him to respond, right... sorry01:48
DocScrutinizer05I *really* can't follow up every single tiny task whether it gets done or not. I'd rather do it all myself, less effort than controlling it01:48
Win7Macare you*01:49
DocScrutinizer05the date on saturday or monday btw was a misconception by me, Falk wasn't at IPHH during last few weeks01:56
DocScrutinizer05so there are two action points: get bank account details and pay next year's contract. And get 2 crates of good beer and eventually drop by at IPHH and hand it to them, with greetings from maemo01:57
DocScrutinizer05bank account details +should* be somewhere in HiFo's communication with IPHH/Falk01:58
Win7Macyou got mail01:58
Win7Maci don't have any of HiFo's communication with IPHH/Falk01:59
DocScrutinizer05I don't usually read mail while writing on IRC01:59
Win7Macexcept the contract itself01:59
Win7Macme too, i just wanted to be done ;)01:59
DocScrutinizer05woody should have some of it01:59
DocScrutinizer05all of it actually02:00
Win7Macno need to bother him, he does other stuff I can't...02:00
Win7Macthis I can ;)02:00
DocScrutinizer05fine :-)02:01
Win7Macdon't be angry, your notice was [10:57:51] [2013-12-04 10:46:47] what'd you see as appropriate time before hollering?02:08
Win7Mac...knowing, he's there only once a week02:09
Win7Macanyway, thanks and have good night everyone02:12
Woody14619Win7Mac: The details for IPHH transfer were handled off-line by Cosimo, so the bank details we do not have.  Sure it's a no-brainer for them to give info for inbound transfer of funds though, as they did so last year.03:14
Woody14619And thanks for following up on this.  I really need to fire off another pester e-mail to Nokia to wrap up this mess.  Been looking at legal things needed to keep HiFo legit and running most of the past week+.  Almost wrapped up there.03:16
Woody14619Ans sorry for the late meeting chime-in.  Work has been a little pressing as the holiday approaches.03:16
chainsawbike qwazix re m.o user db - yes, but specifics not known (by me) yet - if you want an example i would look at the voting stuff - i have never looked at it myself but i think it should get you close to whatever use you are thinking for comp05:23
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