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| qwazix | hello | 19:58 |
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| qwazix | I might disappear abruptly because I'm in a dentist's waiting lounge | 19:59 |
| Win7Mac | hi! | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I may suddenly lose consciousness | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-D | 20:02 |
| qwazix | hahaha | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not funny, just unlikely - thank God | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd fall on the kbd and spam the channel with random noise | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it seems I still have a mail to send, to ML, eh? | 20:07 |
| qwazix | oops sorry, I though you where joking. I really hope you don't. | 20:09 |
| chem|st | hi | 20:10 |
| chem|st | sry for being late... | 20:10 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, Doc, send a mail to ML please | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np, we haven't started it seems | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi chem|st | 20:12 |
| Win7Mac | or simply accept the nomination from juiceme | 20:12 |
| chem|st | my last weeks AWOL was due to a shortnotice travel through europe (funeral) | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brilliant idea | 20:12 |
| * merlin1991 is around aswell | 20:12 | |
| chem|st | any topics today apart of that we need a meeting on sunday? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meeting on sunday? | 20:13 |
| chem|st | well we can always postpone... | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, seems deadline for nomination period approaching pretty fast | 20:14 |
| chem|st | if you accept we have 2... | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, what you're talking about? | 20:14 |
| chem|st | I updated wiki entries btw | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did i miss a mail or what? | 20:15 |
| chem|st | the same you are talking about - nominations | 20:15 |
| Win7Mac | we have 4! | 20:15 |
| Win7Mac | inl. Doc | 20:15 |
| Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1388268#post1388268 | 20:16 |
| chem|st | you really count people on tmo unable to send a proper mail to ML? "Please everybody, don't forget to post on the mailing list too! That's the official channel for nominations. | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I assume you're talking about nomination deadline: we don't need a special meeting for that. You simply go thru the nominations, check the karma, and officially announce who validly applied and what will follow from this | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems our ML has hickup - nothing unheard | 20:18 |
| chem|st | yeah the follow from this is actually of concern | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in prior elections we asked them to resend and CC council | 20:18 |
| Win7Mac | we have 3 valid nominations to ML | 20:19 |
| chem|st | date and time of the second? | 20:19 |
| Win7Mac | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2013-November/thread.html | 20:19 |
| chem|st | yeah found it... | 20:20 |
| Win7Mac | all good | 20:20 |
| chem|st | makes 3 till now | 20:20 |
| Win7Mac | + Doc | 20:20 |
| chem|st | with doc... | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idiot who offered to do another sentence | 20:21 |
| chem|st | yeah hickup... | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 20:21 |
| Win7Mac | nieldk, juiceme, jcharpak | 20:22 |
| chem|st | if need be you turn down and I step up... | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's what I think, and chainsawbike, I guess | 20:22 |
| Win7Mac | where did chainsawbike self-nominate? | 20:23 |
| chem|st | *facepalm* | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least here in channel | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might need manual karma recalculation | 20:24 |
| Win7Mac | then remind him quick to send mail ASAP | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you just did | 20:25 |
| Win7Mac | chainsawbike is not on the List of eligible candidates: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2013/Eligible_candidates | 20:25 |
| Win7Mac | :( | 20:25 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: karma manual calculate... | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's because he's short on karma which might have changed most recently | 20:26 |
| Win7Mac | it's not up to date though | 20:26 |
| chem|st | the list is not | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he has quite a number of wiki edits | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I dunno how many Itt thanks and posts he will have at end of nomination period | 20:27 |
| Win7Mac | ... which is tomorrow | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gathered a 140 thanks a day recently | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I seem to recall days where I had >20 posts | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're free to query him and ask him what's his plans | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't - I'm *really* busy, and not even at kbd tomorrow | 20:29 |
| chem|st | one thing I want to note officially: we have people returning to tmo cause of jolla - any reason we are doing nothing to the announced successor of n900 and n9 (media is calling it that noth Jolla Oy) | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doing nothing? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you want to do? | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again rename the domain? | 20:30 |
| thedead1440_ | I would suggest a simply rename from the stupid Jolla the other half of tmo sub forum to Jolla + the other half or just jolla | 20:31 |
| thedead1440_ | S/simply/simple | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd recommend not to do that - you're free to do whatever else you think is needed inside TMO, AIUI | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (that == domain name change) | 20:32 |
| thedead1440_ | Indeed also can we have a sub - forum for neo900 | 20:32 |
| Win7Mac | thedead1440, good idea, both | 20:33 |
| thedead1440_ | I volunteer being mod for neo900 sub-forum if it's created. Wouldn't mind doing the same for Jolla but as of now the noise it produces is too much even for me to handle alone | 20:33 |
| chem|st | yeah will add neo... got to run! | 20:35 |
| thedead1440_ | I wouldn't be surprised to see the applications sub-forum being filled with sailfishos apps so I think a distinction needs to be made of sailfishos and Jolla apps, themes etc remaining inside their sub-forum | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, will thread/post number URLs stay stable when moving around a thread? | 20:35 |
| thedead1440_ | Doc yup | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok then | 20:35 |
| qwazix | I also agree on both counts | 20:36 |
| thedead1440_ | Otherwise a lot of threads would be broken with the frequent moving done by me :D | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 20:36 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: the whole site stays stable even with changing talk.maemo.org to upyourass.com | 20:36 |
| qwazix | and I also agree with doc no domain change is required | 20:36 |
| chem|st | who talked about domain change? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no domain name changes ever, for anything, best case you get *additional* CNAMEs | 20:36 |
| thedead1440_ | qwazix: +1. Nobody in their right mind will suggest domain change so it's a pretty safe thing ... | 20:37 |
| qwazix | okay | 20:37 |
| thedead1440_ | Of course fanboys will persist but then these are idiots found everywhere :D | 20:37 |
| Win7Mac | i always found the category applications subpar, you never knew if it was for n900 or N9... | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 20:37 |
| Win7Mac | same for sailfish then... | 20:37 |
| chem|st | I am out guys... I setup talk to welcome jolla freaks... we could have a community repo or other things... | 20:38 |
| thedead1440_ | Win7Mac: indeed | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since all that doesn't show up in bookmarks, I don't mind | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (community repo) no problem when you find a maintainer for that | 20:39 |
| chem|st | yeah applications gets annoying lately | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | close it | 20:39 |
| thedead1440_ | Actually speaking of repos I was thinking of asking openrepos to have some sort of merge but it's too messy for a proper solution... | 20:39 |
| chem|st | bb o/ | 20:39 |
| qwazix | yep, I never know where to post... | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | open new sub-subforums in the according $device or $os sub-forums | 20:40 |
| qwazix | but some apps are cross platform | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: o7 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ even | 20:40 |
| thedead1440_ | Understandably some people are wary of openrepos due to it being owned by a private person and they would prefer the sanctity of a community run repo but finding a common solution eludes me | 20:40 |
| qwazix | obs | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our server infra has some headroom yet | 20:41 |
| Win7Mac | can't those cross platform apps be linked in both subcategories? | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice idea but up to mods to do that | 20:42 |
| qwazix | Win7Mac: sounds difficult | 20:42 |
| thedead1440_ | DocScrutinizer05: s/mods/chemist/ | 20:42 |
| thedead1440_ | ;) | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vB interface doesn't support that | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so *users* can't - and honestly would only abuse it | 20:43 |
| qwazix | I guessed so... | 20:43 |
| Win7Mac | ah-hmh... | 20:43 |
| thedead1440_ | If only there were mods who let cross platform apps remain in applications sub-forum while moving the rest to their right place... | 20:43 |
| qwazix | better idea: rename "applications" to "cross-platform applications" | 20:44 |
| qwazix | so that it's clear that apps go under their respective OS/device, except cross platform ones | 20:44 |
| Win7Mac | sounds good to me | 20:45 |
| thedead1440_ | Yup | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either that, or simply accept that you post to $sailfish "now also available for sailfish: ACME frubbler! see fremantle-apps thread 23624782616" | 20:45 |
| thedead1440_ | I would suggest closing the current applications sub-forum to new threads and creating a new sub+forum for cross platform apps | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, there actually might be apps which are generically platform independent, like python apps | 20:46 |
| qwazix | is there an ACME frubbler for fremantle? | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:46 |
| qwazix | :P | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-P | 20:47 |
| thedead1440_ | If any app from fremantle is now available for Sailfish, it can be moved into this sub-forum with a 7day redirect | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haven't you tried it yet? it's awesome | 20:47 |
| * qwazix fires HAM and then dies from old age | 20:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | XP | 20:47 |
| thedead1440_ | Haha | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: ACME frubbler comes with a cloak function | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard it recently is flawed since that cloak is enabled by default | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so in HAM it might hide under an arbitrary other name | 20:49 |
| Win7Mac | apropos cloak... nothing happened | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 20:49 |
| qwazix | I heard that it actually makes HAM faster but you'd have to install all apps with HAM to find out | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm evetually sending a mail to frenode to reclaim the channel | 20:49 |
| qwazix | (not enough time in the universe) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it's Friday :-) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for OT | 20:51 |
| Win7Mac | pinged chainsawbike, but he seems not present ATM | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode staff instructed me to first send a mail with the facts, then we go and sort the legal mabojambo | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll CC board and council on that mail | 20:52 |
| Win7Mac | thanks Doc! | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | final GC application will need approval from board | 20:52 |
| Win7Mac | GC? | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Group Contact, what x-fade is now for Nokia | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | & maemo | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | legal owner of a name tells freenode whom to use as contact point | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia told freenode to use x-fade as contact point for maemo* | 20:54 |
| Win7Mac | ah ok | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll point to maemo handover from Nokia to community, and ask for ownership transfer to HF and picking warfare and me as GC, unless HF has objections | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course I'll CC x-fade | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I do anything before next millenium | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | terribly busy | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you're free to draft such mail and send it to me to sign and send it, I even may provide the chat log with freenode staff | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you have the basics to refer to | 20:57 |
| Win7Mac | i could, but it'd have a terrible wording as I actually don't know what I'm talking about ;) | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, I don't have original ML mail of Neil nielsen nominating me (frikken hiccup) | 21:02 |
| Win7Mac | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2013-November/005919.html | 21:02 |
| Win7Mac | it was juiceme | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: it's pretty simple - Nokia assigned x-Fade alias niels Breet for GroupContact of maemo*. Since maemo got transferred to community (nice wording, lots of references to evidence) we ask freenode to consider transferring IRC ownership of maemo* Group to HF and nominate DocScrutinizer05 and warfare as GC | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (juiceme) don't have that either | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, i'll respond to the response, which funny enough arrived | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (and no, it's not in my spam folder) | 21:05 |
| Win7Mac | want me to forward the original? | 21:06 |
| Win7Mac | at least i got the mail... | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sent ML | 21:08 |
| Win7Mac | YAY! | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chainsawbike: please utter what's your plans regarding nomination and council membership | 21:13 |
| chainsawbike | i intend to nominate myself this-evening (what time (zone) is nominations closing? | 21:15 |
| Win7Mac | 2013/11/30 23:59 (GMT) | 21:16 |
| Win7Mac | (tomorrow evening) | 21:16 |
| Win7Mac | in which country are you? | 21:17 |
| chainsawbike | new zealand (gmt +12 ) | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got 2plenty of time still" | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/. | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like, 28h | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 27 | 21:23 |
| Win7Mac | not exactly plenty, but... hopefully enough | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, karma STILL broken? wiki karma seems stalled | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619a: didn't you fix wiki edits karma? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since karma obviously still broken, we might ***need to open up the rules _again_*** :-S | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm already (unofficially) announcing: if you feel you should be eligibe to vote (or run for council) but your karma says "NO", please write a mail to council @ maemo org and explain your case. Sorry for our infra *still* broken and sucks | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^^ you might want to take notice of this issue | 21:43 |
| Win7Mac | from this list http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q4_2013/Eligible_candidates, my karma seems accurate | 21:46 |
| Win7Mac | it covers at least tmo posts + thanks + Mediawiki_edits | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | (no activity beyond that) | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | re: About Sailfish community: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1390834#post1390834 | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: (wiki karma) maybe I'm mistaken and chainsawbike "only" did rollbacks? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wich should count triple but might not get counted at all | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | might be, just wanted to report my karma seems ok, but I contributed only in few categories where karma gets acquired | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | Doc, you only must have imagined that you answered in the "where do | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | you see maemo in one year? in 5 years?"-thread... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353053#post1353053 | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | that's why i don't aswer via ML... ;) | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, i can't recall where I answered, it was in several places for sure | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | might very well be that that question already came up earlier... | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Actually the HiFo-page states "The Hildon Foundation is a nonprofit organization elected by the Maemo Community to handle community oversight and infrastructure." | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd change it to something like "The Hildon Foundation is a nonprofit organization elected by the Maemo Community to represent it for legal and other official practices and to preserve the maemo.org infrastructure." | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | << DO IT! :-) | 22:57 |
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| Win7Mac | good one... but unfortunately I'm no hifo.orgsite-admin... | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generalantilles is | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | i know, where is he? | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | not present... | 23:00 |
| qwazix | +1 | 23:05 |
| qwazix | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1390870&postcount=34 | 23:08 |
| qwazix | bbiaw | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | mail to GA sent! I could make use of some admin-rights on hifo.org. asked him about it | 23:17 |
| qwazix | back | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | qwazix, can you still speak or did the dentist harm you? | 23:40 |
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