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| DocScrutinizer05 | 'TOPIC: COUNCIL ELECTIONS | 20:52 |
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| * kerio votes for dictatorship | 20:52 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: here? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: as chair you should start the meeting | 21:01 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: hi | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:01 |
| thedead1440 | your email woke me up and i wouldn't miss this :D | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, watching fatalities while they ahppen is always a thrill ;-) | 21:02 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 21:02 |
| thedead1440 | qwazix and Win7Mac around? | 21:04 |
| Win7Mac | Hi guys | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, who's here of council? | 21:04 |
| * thedead1440 present | 21:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again: highly urgent topic: ELECTIONS | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeled just excused himself, he's offline for a week or sth | 21:05 |
| qwazix | here! | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: please join! | 21:05 |
| thedead1440 | merlin1991: around? | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also kolp and FatPhil, thanks for joining! | 21:06 |
| * kolp tips his hat | 21:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: do you know what's woody 's current availability status? | 21:07 |
| * FatPhil sits at the back | 21:07 | |
| Win7Mac | not really | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: Jaffa: please join! | 21:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | Sort-of-here. | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks a lot! :-) | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: did you announce elections on ML as well? | 21:09 |
| qwazix | I did send the mail but I admit I didn't check if it ever arrived :| | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I haven't seen any | 21:09 |
| thedead1440 | it did arrive here | 21:09 |
| thedead1440 | via the ML | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, then it's just me | 21:09 |
| qwazix | yep http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2013-October/005914.html | 21:10 |
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| thedead1440 | welcome Woody14619 :) | 21:11 |
| Win7Mac | hi woody! | 21:11 |
| Woody14619 | o/ | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess our today's topic is "Organization Of Next Elections. What Needs To Get Done And Who Does What?" | 21:11 |
| qwazix | I wanted to comment that the fact that only my name and DocScrutinizer's is on the announcement was intentional and not a mistake. | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WOODY!!!!! THANKS FOR JOINING!!! | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 21:12 |
| qwazix | I could not possibly sign off a mail with somebody's name | 21:12 |
| thedead1440 | qwazix: agreed and its the right thing to do | 21:12 |
| qwazix | unless he put it there by himself | 21:12 |
| Woody14619 | Have spotty wifi so may bounce at times, but will try to stay on while I can. | 21:13 |
| FatPhil | "On behalf of the outgoing community council | 21:13 |
| thedead1440 | so nominations need to open by the 21st or must they open on the 21st? | 21:13 |
| FatPhil | all you need to say | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: so first and most important thing as long as you're online: FatPhil and kolp try to fix tmo karma, but we all lack a few info bits about how karma works at alrge. Could you please help? | 21:14 |
| qwazix | FatPhil, I know but Joerg put his name there and then there were complaints on #maemo because I left people out | 21:14 |
| qwazix | And frankly he very well did, I hope everybody was present to put their own name there | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | official council rules for elections say "elections are announced by CHAIR" | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas our chair chem|st isn't available very frequently for anything | 21:16 |
| Win7Mac | how long shall we wait till he's readf | 21:16 |
| Win7Mac | s/f/y | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems we need to accept that chair isn't willing to help | 21:17 |
| thedead1440 | let's just send him an email and ask him to do the announcement for the sake of the lettering of the rules | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | I can offer what I know, but frankly that's not much. I know where the scripts live, and have an idea of where they are supposed to tie into things, assuming asgard is patched up. But that's mainly stuff I found by reading the scripts and poking at it. | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: that's exactly the bits we're missing | 21:18 |
| Woody14619 | Who was council chair? I'm not recalling atm. :P | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st | 21:18 |
| Woody14619 | Sorry. This time frame I get too deep in plane installs and everything else exits to make room. :P | 21:19 |
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| Woody14619 | ah. Hm... I've apparently missed stuff. I'll catch up later I'm sure. Speaking of, when is the meeting? Now? I'm pretty sure DST isn't over yet, right? ;) I don't recall a clock shift. | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: seems there are php scripts for tmo karma that provide some functions to calculate the karma of a user etc, but it's unclear who should call them and when and how | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meetings started 20min ago | 21:21 |
| Woody14619 | I see. can chat about the tech details off meeting channel to not distract from that then. :) | 21:21 |
| FatPhil | agreed | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: and kolp are in admin channel | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, maybe we get that annoying tmo karma stuff sorted, with the help of Woody14619, kolp, and FatPhil | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | leaves general election management as a topic | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like PR to find candidates and make elections publicly known | 21:23 |
| thedead1440 | tmo banner? Win7Mac to the rescue? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's going to handle the voting engine? | 21:24 |
| Woody14619 | I'm happy to setup the machine with candiates and get the levers pulled. With the new web interface it's rather simple to do, compaired to the past anyway. | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, as soon as the friggin karma works, to determine electorate | 21:24 |
| Jaffa | morning | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HI JAFFA! :-D | 21:24 |
| Win7Mac | Hi Jaffa! | 21:25 |
| Jaffa | Only on iPad, and on a phone call at the same time | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 21:25 |
| Woody14619 | So nice to not have to worry about waiting on Nemien to pull the levers to make it go. Worst case we allow all >3 months to vote again... | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welcome | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: I feel a tad reluctant to do this again, since basically it's a violation of the rules we "just" established via referendum | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(Really, 10 karma is like... nothing to get, and user account creation/setup is working for some time now, so...) | 21:26 |
| Woody14619 | I agree. I'd like to see karma work, but nice to have a fallback. | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so woody takes care of pulling levers in the voting engine, talks to FatPhil and kolp about status of tmo-karma-fixing-task | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right? | 21:28 |
| FatPhil | yes | 21:28 |
| Woody14619 | in the reverse order, but sure. :) Just need to know dates and candidates. That's a simple e-mail. | 21:28 |
| Jaffa | IIRC, karma calc is from scratch every time (we discussed karma half life ages ago, but it'd've been hard to implement because of this). you could recalculate karma from newest/least up, if it isn't building it up on a per source basis. | 21:29 |
| Woody14619 | I don't have time to promote/russel up candidates right now though. Someone else must do cat-hearding. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't. I got my bashing for last time I shanghaied all of you | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 21:30 |
| Woody14619 | jaffa: correct. But parts in the automated calculation are busted. Midgard has this concept and rebuilds weekly. But there are special "plugins" for Maemo that are busted. | 21:31 |
| Woody14619 | Have been since the migration. | 21:31 |
| Woody14619 | The "big" one being TMO linkage. (And to a lesser extent wiki/bug tracker.) | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo linkage allegedly working, according to kolp who checked the tmo-karma.php skripts and the fnctions in there | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, sorry | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you spoke more general | 21:33 |
| Woody14619 | :) | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so who's going to manage and drive the whole PR topic? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: ? | 21:36 |
| thedead1440 | i knew that was coming... | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're simply the best man for this | 21:37 |
| Win7Mac | I'll provide the banner ;) | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and for sure Win7Mac is our banner man | 21:37 |
| Win7Mac | when do you need it? | 21:37 |
| thedead1440 | ok i will try getting some people to run via PMs and queries | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you also make some noise on tmo? | 21:37 |
| thedead1440 | yeah will do that too | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems it's generally not understood what we _need_ a council for, meanwhile | 21:38 |
| Win7Mac | great, thanks thedead! | 21:38 |
| thedead1440 | i need to think how to explain briefly what we need councilors for in a tmo post | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote: don't miss to _always_ state that this election will elect both hfc and mcc as one entity | 21:39 |
| thedead1440 | ah ok | 21:40 |
| thedead1440 | give me ~24 hours; i'll do a post up | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 21:40 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, do we need this? | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we most definitely will run into a 4week extension period anyway, I'm sure about that | 21:41 |
| qwazix | IMO we shouldn't confuse people with MCC/HFC now that we are over that | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: formally we shouldn't miss to clarify that mcc and hfc are one now, and only one vote for both virtual entities | 21:41 |
| qwazix | ok | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we gonna call it "the council" now, eh? | 21:42 |
| thedead1440 | yeah it should be the council now onwards | 21:42 |
| thedead1440 | the mcc/hfc should be nothing more than a footnote imo | 21:43 |
| sono | is this purely political? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure, but a footnote we need to keep for definition purposes | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sono: yes | 21:43 |
| sono | thanks | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 21:44 |
| thedead1440 | weird things happen doc ;) | 21:44 |
| thedead1440 | moving on; other than a post on tmo i would like to know if any current council/bod intend to run for council | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, once again my heads-up: I'm NOT going to lead and drive elections this time - I'm too busy, too burnout beaten, and too fed up with last 2 or 3 or... forgot, elections I did this | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we probably should appoint somebody who's keeping treak of the whole picture, when neither chair nor me are doing it | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | track* | 21:46 |
| thedead1440 | i volunteer win7mac for that | 21:46 |
| qwazix | thedead1440, I think I'll pass this time, I'm tired and I hope new people step in | 21:47 |
| thedead1440 | qwazix: same here :/ | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac for sure is persistent and involved enough | 21:47 |
| Win7Mac | me councilor? | 21:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is rather reluctant to run again for any position in council (or board) or whatever | 21:48 | |
| thedead1440 | yes | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | omg | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | i kinda feel "wrong" already, nothing I started was any help | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otoh I see the benefit for next council to have me in, though I will retract even more from any active contribution | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: that's a HUGE misconception | 21:50 |
| Win7Mac | HiFo is #shutdown more or less | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably zilch had happened at all, without your contiguous persistent pushing | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least that's my take | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | thanks | 21:51 |
| thedead1440 | agreed; Win7Mac most of us have devoted ~1 year to all this stuff and our energies are pretty spent | 21:51 |
| thedead1440 | someone like you would be a good driver of things going forward | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | oh and you should definetely be in, DocS! | 21:51 |
| Woody14619 | o_O .oO(1 year?) | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many councilors got depressed and frustrated due to council (and HiFo) basically always been a lame duck | 21:52 |
| thedead1440 | Woody14619: the time since we started planning for alternative hosts etc | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619 did a little longer (as in "doing time" ;-P) | 21:53 |
| Woody14619 | Oh.. that reminds me. Need to check dates on the IPHH stuff... That's coming up on an aniversary. :P | 21:54 |
| thedead1440 | :D | 21:55 |
| Jaffa | I think the lofty ambitions of some have been tempered by reality. It's a "keeping the lights on" role | 21:55 |
| Woody14619 | I'm truely hoping they'll take us throwing said Euro at them and just renew another year. | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IPHH is still in its first year, though 2nd half - started ~february | 21:55 |
| thedead1440 | Jaffa: i think most of us knew that | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: exactly | 21:55 |
| * Woody14619 nods to Jaffa. Really always was, just some thought otherwise. | 21:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though we see *some* new drive in FPTF/CSSU | 21:56 |
| Woody14619 | I'm just sad we couldn't keep more lights on. (MeeGo being mainly lost in this...) | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which takes a lot of my available time, btw | 21:56 |
| thedead1440 | Woody14619: you mean the repo or the forum? | 21:57 |
| Woody14619 | Both, but more to the repo than the forum. | 21:57 |
| Win7Mac | i didn't mean anything lofty if you talkin about me, but basic stuff failed... | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the repos should all be on skeiron | 21:57 |
| thedead1440 | well openrepos.net seems to be the best solution to not only repo.pub.meego.com but also to the impeding closure of ovi store | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but sure that's only a backup | 21:58 |
| thedead1440 | so all is not lost; a community taking on repo management is much more desirable for harmattan | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: same as it ever was | 21:58 |
| Win7Mac | like finding a meeting date on doodle | 21:58 |
| Woody14619 | gah.. another reminder. Pull the packages I bought for backups from OVI. :P | 21:59 |
| Jaffa | Win7Mac: Well, doodle kept crashing (for me at least), and my email with availability didn't seem to go anywhere. | 21:59 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(But do I really need angry birds & zenbound?) | 21:59 |
| thedead1440 | Win7Mac: sometimes the best cooks don't make the best team; not blaming anyone but such things happen and a proper explanation of this to people would ensure the next people who step in will be more role-aware... | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, who's the elections manager? | 22:00 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: win7mac isn't it | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | try a different browser/machine or suggest an alternative maybe? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: ?? | 22:00 |
| Woody14619 | I'd say since he's not here to object, he's the obvious choice. ;) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: you seem to have the experience to know what's involved with elections, and you know who's capable of doing what | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd hope for somebody to oversee the process - sth that council chair is supposed to do, but... | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway sorry I have to 80%-leave | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you all know what's pending, please don't drop the ball | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you assigned tasks to an individual, or nothing will get done | 22:04 |
| thedead1440 | Win7Mac: please oversee the whole process? | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | really, I'm not the right one | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | what exactly does that include? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think it needs more historical experience in voting process than Win7Mac has acquired yet, to oversee elections | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | excatly ^^^^ | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the point. A person overseeing the election process needs to have a good idea of what it includes | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...to notice when some aspect gets missed about | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly a trivial process | 22:08 |
| FatPhil | whoever did it in the past could possibly mentor a replacement? | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | setting up schedules and keeping track of the various tasks needs experience | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FatPhil: that would mean i'm doing it a 4th time, while somebody lurks over my shoulder | 22:09 |
| Woody14619 | afk | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not available for that | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Jaffa: what about you? | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | checking stuff twice a week, kicking sime asses ;-) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some* | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coordinator isn't supposed to do stuff himself | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just needs to oversee and coordinate, and communicate to those who got the tasks assigned, resp point at stuff that got missed to get assigned at all | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, I'm not available this time, and I'm already 80%-afk | 22:13 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, was easting lunch | 22:46 |
| warfare | Sorry, I'm late. We were stuck in rain and traffic jams. | 23:07 |
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