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| qwazix | I might run a bit late. | 20:29 |
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| qwazix | hello #maemo-meeting! | 21:07 |
| Win7Mac | Hi qwazix | 21:07 |
| qwazix | hi Win7Mac | 21:14 |
| qwazix | sorry for the delay | 21:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hello all | 21:27 |
| qwazix | hi sixwheeledbeast | 21:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hi qwazix any topics? it seems it's just us? | 21:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: ^^ | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, again... | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | ...just us | 21:52 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, Win7Mac, yeah... | 21:54 |
| qwazix | no topics though from me | 21:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well I don't have anything either | 21:58 |
| Win7Mac | i know new maintainers is not a shortterm issue but we cannot just do nothing, can we? | 21:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see what us three can do...? | 22:00 |
| qwazix | No but people are still on vacation, so it might be wise to wait another week. | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | discuss options | 22:00 |
| qwazix | My opinion is that some services should be wound down. | 22:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I understand it's holiday season. | 22:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Which services? | 22:01 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, I know they are all entangled with each other, but in reality we only need tmo, bmo, wmo and autobuilder. Everything else is dead weight | 22:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | eh? m.o? | 22:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I don't see how it can be streamlined any further without major modifications (therefore time). | 22:04 |
| qwazix | My opinion is that in reality it's unneeded. Midgard1 is a dead monster that nobody knows how it works and it just takes maintainer's time | 22:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | m.o is an important part of maemo that is not getting used IMO. | 22:05 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, it's true, but people are already investing too much time in all this. I'm convinced that if this time was spent to set up an OBS instance for maemo and ditch garage and m.o. it would be better | 22:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The main issue is the CMS ties it all together. | 22:05 |
| qwazix | Yeah, that's why I'm thinking that we should start by setting up COBS again. There's very detailed documentation on w.m.o | 22:07 |
| qwazix | then the m.o. wouldn't be a hard requirement | 22:07 |
| qwazix | but I'm not techstaff and techstaff clearly think otherwise, so there's little to argue here. | 22:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 22:08 |
| qwazix | I just think that recruiting maintainers (or deflecting our already low CSSU manpower to infra) for a dying and mostly unused infra is unwise. | 22:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think the issue is for ~2yrs we have lived on tmo and people are not used to the full service. | 22:10 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, no, it's that the full service is, pardon me, crap. | 22:11 |
| qwazix | Who would prefer garage to host his projects over github? | 22:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well I have never used github only garage. | 22:11 |
| kerio | it's the same thing | 22:12 |
| kerio | except that github is better and more used | 22:12 |
| qwazix | even cssu uses gitorious | 22:12 |
| qwazix | Why visit maemo downloads, when it mangles all user comments, and you can't just comment /vote on application with a nice mobile interface after you installed it | 22:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree it not perfect if you are starting fresh but it sort of works and has done in the past | 22:13 |
| qwazix | The only part of m.o. that works well and is used, is the packages interface | 22:14 |
| qwazix | It has worked well, when Nokia poured money in it. Now that we're just the few of us we should focus 99% of our time to 1) doing fun things and 2) when doing the non-fun things, to be for keeping maemo up to date | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 22:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | We need to see what is to happen about the e-mails you sent out. Plus as you say we are not techstaff and they are appointed there for a reason. | 22:19 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 22:20 |
| qwazix | I'm just saying my opinion. Nobody is required to even listen. | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | AFAIK, only Jeremiah answered and I don't expect more answers | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | but it's esp. about new maintainers | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | *the issue is... | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | IIRC, techstaff said basic SQL, PHP... would be sufficient if only they were willing to get into the weird code | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | *SQL, PHP knowledge | 22:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: well we are all entitled to opinions. :) | 22:24 |
| Win7Mac | ^^ to fix maemo | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | *m.o | 22:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: is there a board meeting planned after the holiday season? | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | not yet | 22:28 |
| qwazix | sixwheeledbeast, Win7Mac I have to go | 22:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | qwazix: o/ | 22:29 |
| qwazix | have a nice weekend! | 22:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | a nice (UK bank holiday) weekend to you too. | 22:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :D | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | yea, nice weekend | 22:30 |
| Win7Mac | any topics for next board meeting besides e.V.? | 22:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: i was to ask you, unfortunately I was unavailable at the first board meeting of the new term. | 22:32 |
| Win7Mac | ask what? | 22:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | baord topics? | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | ah. ok, sorry | 22:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/baord/board/ | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | so nothing from your side? | 22:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | or even beard topic :D | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | a bird topic ;) | 22:34 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Has any of the "MoPad" in /topic been completed? | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | ?? | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | the mail to exmaintainers yes, a thread on tmo yes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90972 | 22:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok | 22:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well you can only bump threads so much before you are ignored..... | 22:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bump: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90981 | 22:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :D | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | and we can't do anything besides that? | 22:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well i have no ideas apart from article in MWKN or post on mo or even a banner but we can't do that right now. | 22:45 |
| * sixwheeledbeast hides behind nearby chair | 22:46 | |
| Win7Mac | it's not that I'd have any better ideas, but we need to do *something*, right? | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yes but what is the big question. | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | not sure | 22:50 |
| warfare | anyone still here? | 23:18 |
| warfare | (sorry I'm late) | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | did you email Jeremiah? | 23:20 |
| warfare | regarding new ideas: what do we actually need? Some sort of code repository, the forum and a fancy interface for the packages. | 23:20 |
| warfare | Win7Mac: yes, I cc'd council@. | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | great, thanks | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | regarding what we need I have no idea, I just don't wan't to standby and watch things collapsing | 23:23 |
| warfare | latest news on garage are from 2012-12-18.. | 23:24 |
| warfare | the biggest problem would be migrating stuff away from garage and midgard. | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | so your preferred solution looks like? | 23:27 |
| warfare | I don't really know. Maybe migrate repositorys from garage to gitlab, scrap midgard and build a new package interface. | 23:28 |
| warfare | leave w/t.m.o as they are, maybe get a new coat of paint. | 23:29 |
| warfare | But I don't really know the requirements of the community. | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | sadly my knowledge about such stuff is non-existent but "scrap midgard" is smth. I heard a couple of times lately | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | Would an update to actual midgard be any help? | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | I mean we have some donations and gather more if needed to what is nescessary | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | *to do what is... | 23:33 |
| warfare | An upgrade to midgard2 would probably all the custom stuff nemein and nokia wrote. | 23:34 |
| warfare | .. probably kill all .. | 23:34 |
| warfare | gah, the last days were too long. | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | sure, we'd need to get that re-implemented | 23:35 |
| warfare | Then again, what custom stuff is needed by the community? The package interface? Comments? | 23:37 |
| Win7Mac | not sure | 23:38 |
| warfare | Maybe we can/should discuss these issues with the community? | 23:39 |
| sixwheeledbeast | sorry, hi warfare | 23:41 |
| warfare | sixwheeledbeast: you don't have to be sorry, _I_ was late ;) | 23:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | CMS replacement an option? | 23:42 |
| warfare | Sure, maybe something modern we all understand and can maintain. | 23:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but I think the worry was the time and resources to implement | 23:44 |
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| warfare | Either we spend the time keeping the old stuff alive or we can spend the time to look for something we can maintain and expand. | 23:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I agree they are the options. | 23:46 |
| warfare | I don't think we should become hectic about that, but we should think about it and have migration scenarios ready. | 23:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do we need a CMS at all or is there other options if we choose to expand | 23:47 |
| Win7Mac | discussion with community sounds ok | 23:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | a CMS is mandatory for every page AFAIK | 23:49 |
| warfare | I think we should ask the community, what they expect from us. | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Win7Mac: tmo? | 23:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | re discussion. | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | sure, what else? | 23:50 |
| warfare | I think we should get a discussion on t.m.o started, this should give us the direction in which we should look. | 23:58 |
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