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| qwazix | hi everybody! | 20:59 |
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| kerio | hi dr. nick! | 21:00 |
| win7mac | oops, meeting... | 21:00 |
| win7mac | Hi everybody | 21:01 |
| win7mac | need to be AFK soon, hope to join in a bit later again | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! | 21:02 |
| win7mac | Here's my topic for today: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Bjl5rnd8Wz | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm also not here for extended chat today | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just announcing that freemangordon applied for autobuilder maintainer | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: many thanks! | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | highly appreciated | 21:05 |
| qwazix | thanks freemangordon | 21:05 |
| win7mac | freemangordon: THANKS!!! | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas he told me he's basically already in holiday and not available for next 2 weeks | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I ask council and BoD to formally approve maintainersgip status of freemangordon for autobuilder | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he will send an according mail shortly | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe sunday | 21:09 |
| win7mac | my approval for that! | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, do we have a meeting today? | 21:12 |
| qwazix | Did board get all assets ok? | 21:12 |
| win7mac | yeah, its becoming a bad habbit | 21:12 |
| win7mac | qwazix, i believe so | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi qwazix | 21:13 |
| qwazix | ok, let's set up a coding competition then :) | 21:13 |
| qwazix | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 21:13 |
| win7mac | qwazix, please read backlog, we have a tpoic | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: you heard anything about our "new" councill members? anybody planned to maybe join today? | 21:14 |
| win7mac | *you. need to go, bbl | 21:14 |
| qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, thedead said he won't attend, other than that, no | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, then... | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems meeting minutes will be so short, even you or me could do them | 21:17 |
| qwazix | any comments on win7mac's etherpad? who can describe the problems consicely? | 21:17 |
| qwazix | *concisely | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably nobody | 21:17 |
| qwazix | hmmm, | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gave up on keeping internal buglist up to date, or even installing a public one. Oh wait we already have a public one | 21:18 |
| qwazix | I wrote one sentence there, the only thing I know has a problem and how to describe it | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-19 16:45:22] <merlin1991> wee need to remove the sync/promote service from autostart, since it only fills the db with bogus removes | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-19 16:46:46] <DocScrutinizer05> yes indeed | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-07-19 16:46:56] <DocScrutinizer05> I told you about that since, duh, 4 weeks now | 21:21 |
| qwazix | oh... | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I declare today's meeting opened (on behalf of chair), finished (on behlaf of chair), due to lack of members attending | 21:26 |
| chem|st | so minutes are: Freemangordon volunteered to become autobuilder maintainer | 21:26 |
| * win7mac is back | 22:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | BoD needs to approve maintainers? | 22:21 |
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| win7mac | still, Freemangordon will need help and/or midgard stays a black hole, right? | 22:42 |
| win7mac | Honestly, council has to do smth about their meetings and plans. Even after I put up the webpad, nobody even cares. This: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2013-06-21.log.html#t2013-06-21T22:35:47 | 22:42 |
| win7mac | *joerg being an exception | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: no, just take notice of me appointing them | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily midgard is only loosely coupled to autobuilder | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if at all | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically I'm free to grant maintainer status to whomever I deem fit. But I prefer to have unanimous agreement on my decisions | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BoD and council OTOH are free to disapprove arbitrary users on maemo.org unix level as soon as some concern arises. They will ask me to execute such decision | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if I'm not available or refuse to execute, they will ask one of the sysops instead | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's one of the reasons why sysops MUST be approved by BoD (and council) | 22:56 |
| win7mac | cause maemo-infra "belongs" to HiFo? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I tend to pretend it does | 23:01 |
| win7mac | so I owe you all ;) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually it still belongs to Nokia | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you guys finally got the purchase papers from nemein | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | In EU a asset usually belongs to the one who can prove ownership by showing the papers associated to possession transfer | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka bills, receipts, etc | 23:04 |
| win7mac | right, the nokia-papers... | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nemein purchased the server, and billed it to Nokia. So right now in the end of a day at court the server is Nokia's | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and nokia gave OK and even paid for, when the server moved to IPHH | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ownership not been transferred during that process | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IPHH has a contract with HiFo now, but HiFo is _not_ *owner* of the server, rather they got it borrowed from Nokia so far | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | transfer of ownership of the iron will be with sending the literal papers from nemein to HiFo | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which only Nokia could order to nemein I guess | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or they already did and Nemein did or did not send those papers to dunno where | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not my business, so I have nfc | 23:12 |
| win7mac | rob is still in board-ML right? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I should tell Eero to send those papers to me X-P | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask Tim | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about noard-ML | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | board* | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except that it refuses to accept mails from my MX | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway even while material assets of maemo are only ~10..12k (I wasted more for less in shorter time than 6 month) HiFo seems to have largely lost control resp track of all such assets during last half year. You urgently need to get back into control | 23:17 |
| win7mac | is there a place which we could suggest rob to upload all documents to? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha good question | 23:17 |
| win7mac | *a safe place | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can create a shared dir for all of you, incl accounts, on maemo.org unix level | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly even webdavs | 23:19 |
| win7mac | that sounds like a good longterm solution | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno if that meets your idea of 2save2 | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "save" even | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | safe, dafaq | 23:19 |
| win7mac | ;) | 23:20 |
| win7mac | should be fine if limited acces can be granted | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably a job for your secretary though | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I refuse to take responsibility for HiFo papers | 23:21 |
| win7mac | sure, nobody said so | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that includes backups in case of server total damage | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | account management | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | threat protection | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | access control and accounting | 23:23 |
| win7mac | now c'mon, we have 1 infra... | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly the point. If we had 3 infras at different locations, I'd be less vary to store your valuable documents there | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in the end documet management is a job of HiFo secretary | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if any of you guys need an account and maybe even some further tools or subsystems installed, I'm of course willing to help when you can tell me what exactly you need | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | user account with ssh/sftp access is a matter of minutes. Add pubkeys to authorized keys at your liking | 23:29 |
| win7mac | now that sounds good! | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can even link you to a .htaccess prtected subpage of www.maeo.org | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (rather I will symlink a suntree of vhost document root into any such account's $HOME) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sub*tree | 23:32 |
| win7mac | if it helps security-wise and to convince rob... | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .htaccess is your business then - I guess. At least I'm sure it's not my business adn expertise | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for Rob you probably will want webdavs | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about that stuff at my end | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you tell me you need it, i'll discuss it with sysops | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if otoh Rob is happy with sftp://board@maemo.org (<- in browser of your choice), then even better | 23:35 |
| win7mac | not my expertise too, i only know that every page should have an .htaccess... | 23:35 |
| win7mac | or smth like that, honestly, i have no clue | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll happily create a unix account "board" and toss in a ssh-key any of you guys provides | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | add ssh keys to your liking | 23:37 |
| win7mac | I think we should discuss that in board | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you probably should do that | 23:37 |
| win7mac | thanks for sheding some ligth and your offer | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile read about >> apropos authorized_keys << | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aka >> man ssh-copy-id << and >> man sshd|less "+/AUTHORIZED_KEYS" << | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/19/plasma-desktopTK3743.png | 23:48 |
| win7mac | the shortline outcome from your POV would be? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | look at the URL in topbar of window | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the shortline / bottomline of my rant is: agree on using sftp, teach everybody how to use ssh keys. Send a mail to techstaff with some-of-you's pubkey and request to create an account for you on maemo.org | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that's what you want | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that user will then add the pubkeys of the other borad members to authorized_keys file | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then all of you have access to that directory as in http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/19/plasma-desktopTK3743.png | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we DO NOT ALLOW password auth on maemo.org. sorry | 23:53 |
| win7mac | and I would use e.g. winSCP for that? | 23:54 |
| win7mac | or any other SFTP client? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, should work flawlessly I guess | 23:55 |
| win7mac | bought! | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, GF waiting | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 23:57 |
| win7mac | oh, that's new to my ears ;) | 23:57 |
| win7mac | have fun o/ | 23:58 |
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