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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems today's meeting gets postponed to a later date, due to lots of council missing aiui | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when I got chem|st correctly | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway qwazix not joining, merlin1991 most likely not joining | 19:04 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "except tioday (due to members abroad) Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/" | 19:05 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 changes topic to "except today (due to members abroad) Council meetings every Friday @ 18:00 UTC | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/" | 19:05 | |
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| kerio | aww but i liked the meetings :( | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually we probably had something to do today | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but when nobody joins | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I#m mistaken though | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-14 16:26:52] <chem|st> +1 08:57 < merlin1991> I don't know it for sure yet, but I most probably can't make it to todays meeting | 19:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | i can be there... | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-14 16:30:14] <chem|st> that is a minus 3 then... I'd love to reschedule the meeting... suggestions? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey sixwheeledbeast :-) | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so let's have a party instead of a meeting today ;-) | 19:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Ok just us three? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you, myself and I? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah kerio | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure :-) | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 19:33 |
| kerio | yay, i exist | 19:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Really we should ask if any community members have anything to say... | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure you exist, kerio. It's just me and my weird virtual world | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, another 90min | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since I'm fed up with it, I guess I will simply publish officially - on behalf of council chair - the unification statement | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://piratepad.net/ep/pad/view/ro.7V4YhO$fVv3/latest | 19:36 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is going for a shower while he has chance...BRB | 19:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://piratepad.net/ep/pad/view/ro.7V4YhO$fVv3/latest | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, that didn't change | 19:45 |
| kerio | neat | 19:46 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is back :) | 19:59 | |
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| thedead1440 | hi all :) | 20:37 |
| thedead1440 | seems like no meeting for today? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe party | 20:49 |
| thedead1440 | oh cool | 20:50 |
| thedead1440 | a party in JRTSV; must be a first in a looong time :p | 20:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hey thedead1440 :) join the party.... | 20:51 |
| thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: the first meeting w/o us having to attend becomes a party :D | 20:51 |
| thedead1440 | sign of things to come? :p | 20:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well, we retired members out number the current members today | 20:52 |
| thedead1440 | haha | 20:52 |
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| Woody14619 | So... No meeting today then? (via /topic) | 20:58 |
| * Woody14619 lols at backlog... | 21:00 | |
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| * Woody14619 likes the aligning announcement. Very well crafted. | 21:05 | |
| Woody14619 | sigh.. I hate work... | 21:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) | 21:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hi woody14619 | 21:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Anybody have anything to bring to this non-meeting? | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi Woody14619 | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when you like it, could you still proofread it? | 21:11 |
| thedead1440 | sixwheeledbeast: not me | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi thedead1440 | 21:11 |
| thedead1440 | hi Doc | 21:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I'd like to point out I am still babysitting the repository for cleaning management issues. Even more so since the packages started to come through again today. | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have URGENT need to find somebody to look into it | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I announced it as top priority workpoint in #maemo-admin two or three times now | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we simply have nobody to look into it | 21:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Removed 21 old packages so far today due to scrolling cleaning management midgard crap. | 21:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am keeping a list BTW | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody who feels familiar with that atobuilder and relatives gang | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc freemangordon had a look into some script and found someth that fals when midgrad tries to clean some queue | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but afak nobody investigated thoroughly neither implemented a fix | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if that mess can't get fixed soon, I have no other option that to shut down autobuilder completely | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | Was reading the one linked earlier (7V4Yh... ) looks good. | 21:17 |
| Woody14619 | As for the rest, have been dealing with personal matters and not been able to work on much Maemo for the past week or so. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, I do a minipoll among "council" here: shall we publish that statement right away? | 21:18 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: go ahead with it | 21:19 |
| Woody14619 | I do have an annoucement about Board though: general meeting June 20th @10am EDT. | 21:19 |
| thedead1440 | we have had enough of waiting | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please review the most recent version | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I did some edits to move future to present/past-tense | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when the piratepad disconnected me | 21:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | piratepad was a pain for kicking me | 21:20 |
| Woody14619 | Likely on the same site (sadly), but hey... a meeting none the less. | 21:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I am happy, obviously the first line can go. Also do you want to be known as Unified Council? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, seems recent, now that it finally loaded | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, no preferences, been a momentary impulse of mine | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey, this is a party, no? then bbl, preparing me a coffee - *finally* | 21:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Shouldn't it be HFC technically | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since both entities sustain to exist | 21:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought they where to be aligned? So what is the name of the "Newly Aligned Council" | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MCHFC | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or NAC? | 21:27 |
| Woody14619 | Jedi Council... Done. | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ¢ | 21:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | But I thought HiFo rules said a certain name | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Hildon Foundation Council | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is one of the two personalities | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and will stay | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then there's Maemo community Council | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is the other of the two personalities | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and will stay | 21:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | So we should call the new name Council HFC for clarity? | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can call it whatever we like | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in some cases we will sign by "HFC" when we announce sth on behalf of HiFo | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in some cases we will sign by "MCC" when we announce some decision regarding maemo.org or community at large | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's just one entity with different roles | 21:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I assumed it would make sense to use HFC for all now, why have two name for the same thing. | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | because there are two roles | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HFC has no saying in e.g. Coding Competition, or when removing packages from repos, or whatever | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MCC has no saying in HiFo matters | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so let's just call it "¢" | 21:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but they are now one so ... whatever | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure they are one, like your daddy is Director of the company but also member of the school's parent council | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he doesn't sign by "parent council" when it comes to company affairs | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and he's not signing with "Director" when it comes to school things | 21:36 |
| * sixwheeledbeast hopes gcompris and dependencies doesn't need an update in the near future. | 21:37 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: fair comment. | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, so bad? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually BoD can decide to accept the genuine MCC as HiFo's council, then we can drop the HFC name | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we however can't and must not discontinue the MCC | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so another pleasant story of just 2h ago: we have 4 candidates for BoD elections | 21:41 |
| thedead1440 | \o/ an election is then guaranteed | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and for those who might not have noticed yet: next week 10:00EDST it seems the shall be a BoD meeting | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Rob suggested to not decide anything on this meeting "that's better decided by the newly elected BoD later on" (OWTTE) | 21:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so I think the future is bright :-D | 21:43 |
| * Woody14619 saw that as well... | 21:43 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: confirming that meeting? | 21:44 |
| Woody14619 | Yup. | 21:44 |
| * sixwheeledbeast lost connection at 19:38 so NFC what is bright... | 21:44 | |
| Woody14619 | Jim chose, I confirmed as did Rob, so it should be on. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: Rob suggested to not decide anything on this meeting "that's better decided by the newly elected BoD later on" (OWTTE) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, 38 | 21:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 21:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then just for you: | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-14 20:39:04] <DocScrutinizer05> eventually BoD can decide to accept the genuine MCC as HiFo's council, then we can drop the HFC name | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-14 20:39:28] <DocScrutinizer05> we however can't and must not discontinue the MCC | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-06-14 20:41:01] <DocScrutinizer05> so another pleasant story of just 2h ago: we have 4 candidates for BoD elections | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we have a BoD meeting Thu 1000EDST next week | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody needs to look into voting engine and update the ballots | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually | 21:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if we should send another mass mailing | 21:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Woody14619: you noticed Rob asking for some data dunnowhat so he can put the meeting to HiFo website officially? | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | I would... It's really not that big of a tax, what with the slow-trickle-out backend. And yes, the candidate list minimally needs to be updated. | 21:49 |
| Woody14619 | Yes, I will try to get that e-mail out tonight. | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one more topic: | 21:50 |
| Woody14619 | What was the other request for rembursement again? I know there was one for the drives and one for something else, but can't recall. (We can take that off-line if desired.) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got notice of a very economic 4TB USB external drives that brkn found | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I dunno if that other request been for fuzzy backup puposes | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have no clue what requests BoD discussed | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I made a suggestion to get 2 pcs of those 4tb drives, for off site storage | 21:53 |
| Woody14619 | gah.. work.. afk | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare didn't really comment on the idea | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I'd like to ask here what's the common take on that - shall we get external storage to keep a archive version of maemo.org at large at a safe place? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, right now when the server is catching fire or lightning, then our local backups are dead as well | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the drives would be ~300EUR for 2 | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I consider this a mandatory policy to secure stuff | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there've been suggestions to get distributed online backup with some volunteers from community, but this isn't really feasible an alternative in my book. Due to traffic and time needed to creeate the backups, due to encryption needs, and due to resoure demand on maemo.org servers for handling such online backup | 21:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: thanks for scrollback, have loads of tabs open at the moment trying to sort these packages out. Takes time to double check and list I don't want to make a mistake. | 21:59 |
| thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: for the value of the contents I would go with a physical backup that can be accessed at times of real emergency | 22:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Good news on BoD anyway :) | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:00 |
| thedead1440 | so +1 from me (not that it matters) on getting those HDDs | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | appreciated :-) | 22:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | As regards letter I am ok with it. | 22:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | And HDD too. | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks sixwheeledbeast | 22:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np anytime | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what about this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1347580#post1347580 -- I can't find a bigger font and a more bloody alerting red | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody *any* suggestions what to do about our blatant lack of maintainers? | 22:03 |
| thedead1440 | a banner on tmo at the right-hand side? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could be done, I bet | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please everybody try to find experts to look into all that stuff | 22:04 |
| thedead1440 | since midgard seems to be the most irritating would it be possible to go on their mailing list and request for help? Though i suspect they wouldn't be too inclined to do something for free | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily we somewhat won our wrestling with midgard | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | partially | 22:05 |
| thedead1440 | oh so its autobuilder and not midgard that's been troubling sixwheeledbeast? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's more the bells and whistles attached to midgard that blow chunks now. See autobuilder and sixwheeledbeast's headache (also mine of course) | 22:06 |
| thedead1440 | ok | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not exactly in midgard, it's just using a few midgard calls in php scripts | 22:07 |
| thedead1440 | i think you can pester chem|st to put up the banner asap on tmp | 22:07 |
| thedead1440 | tmo* | 22:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I still feel updating [[Maemo.org_Team]] page with positions required will help. | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 22:07 |
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| thedead1440 | hopefully some people come to the fore to help out | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: the problem is to describe those positions | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have one clear maintainer task and that's mailing lists | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that guy must have a clue about how that mailman or whatever stuff works | 22:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm ... well exactly if there is no name for a position how will people apply | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if you need names, let me call them "maintainer sector A" to "maintainer sector M" maybe | 22:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | position - required skills - apply within - no pay just job satisfaction | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to assign maintainership by VM, but that also doesn't work | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err. you looked at that tmo link above? | 22:11 |
| thedead1440 | i feel like dropping so see ya all | 22:11 |
| thedead1440 | o/ | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya thedead1440 | 22:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o/ | 22:12 |
| thedead1440 | bye Doc and do take a good rest too ;) | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, eventually | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 22:12 |
| thedead1440 | lol | 22:12 |
| thedead1440 | always the same ol' Doc :D | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: (and who else might be listening, Woody14619 maybe) you heard of skeiron. I heard skeiron is getting short on storage. I think that server could use another hdd which is iirc ~20bucks per months. what do you think? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, when somebody wants to continue the party, just ping me, I might join | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk | 22:19 |
| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: still wading through packages. funds from where? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I would find the funds, at least for now. That's why I ask, it's community's funds on my paypal that I'd move on to those skeiron guys | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would kick up my monthly maemo monetary expense (SCNR) from ~70 to maybe 90 | 22:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 20p/m? are you paying for a HDD p/m? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, on a rented server | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't run your own HDD | 22:41 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh rented server. | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mind you, skeiron is a hetzner box | 22:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I was thinking it was your HW | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nononooo I have no saying on skeiron | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 22:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well IMO you shouldn't be out of pocket for it. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I have no idea who owns it nor what those guys are doing there | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just think it's helpful and that it should get supported | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I also think I don't want to pay out of my pocket any longer, but luckily some other guys in community see it same way as I do ;-) | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1351915&postcount=179 | 22:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 88 packages purged I finally think I got them all. | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well todays anyway | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | 88 packages purged I finally think I got them all. | 22:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well todays anyway | 22:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | http://kl1p.com/pkgissues | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the current total | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | omg | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's insane | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incredible work, sixwheeledbeast :-D | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thumbs up | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gone cross eyed checking | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | o.O | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :) any thing to stop the drives/databases filling with crap short term | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I feel with you | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I will try to find the cronjob and maybe reduce its frequency even further | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once a day should be enough, this is not a buildserver, it's our repo frontend | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's package dependant | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | some are cleaning at 4 hours some 20 minutes | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | found any hints what is causing it? | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :shrug: | 23:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Oh BTW neilsquare page reappeared. | 23:10 |
| qwazix | Just read backlog, for the record +1 for HDD's | 23:26 |
| qwazix | And apart from other things we are looking for a person with OBS knowledge to set up new harm builder. | 23:27 |
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| kerio | qwazix: we don't have "jurisdiction" over harm, do we | 23:38 |
| qwazix | kerio, we don't but it's not illegal for a $community member to set up a builder is it? | 23:39 |
| kerio | oh of course not | 23:39 |
| kerio | but what about the nokia one? | 23:39 |
| kerio | does it exist? | 23:39 |
| kerio | has it ever existed? | 23:39 |
| qwazix | yeah on build.pub.meego.com until last month | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mot sure how much of that been Nokia | 23:48 |
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