IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2013-05-24

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DocScrutinizer51sorry, I'll probably be a few minutes late, walking home right now21:03
DocScrutinizer51actually this is a pst that got stuck 8 min ago, I'm already late and still walking21:04
kerioyou don't /look/ late21:05
thedead1440hehe21:06
thedead1440i won't be able to be around for the full meeting due to a flight early in the morning so i'd like to post freemangordon's request for Council to draft an official response to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1345746&postcount=121421:07
* DocScrutinizer51 wonders where's that webcam that told kerio about DocScrutinizer51 's look21:07
kerioDocScrutinizer: one can be late compared to someone else21:07
thedead1440its on your n900 ;)21:07
keriothere was nobody here21:07
DocScrutinizer51thedead1440: no, thumb on that one21:08
thedead1440oh then he was the guy who passed by you just now :p21:09
DocScrutinizer51kerio: you *stink* :-P21:10
DocScrutinizer51and that shirt looks terrible21:10
thedead1440lol21:12
qwazixhi all :)21:15
thedead1440o/ qwazix21:15
sixwheeledbeast^o/ qwazix21:15
DocScrutinizer51anyway, could somebody ofmy council peer give a summary om BoD elections and HiFo bank account status? I lost track21:16
thedead1440DocScrutinizer51: since that's a topic more appropriate for HFC can we settle common topics first like the aforementioned request by fmg?21:17
qwazixI probably missed some news this week but I saw that woody self-nominated for board21:17
qwazixI also chatted with him and he wasn21:17
DocScrutinizer51according to age old rule: when you're not on top of it, you're off at best21:17
qwazixscratch that21:17
DocScrutinizer05whatever21:23
DocScrutinizer05hi qwazix21:23
DocScrutinizer05hi thedead144021:23
thedead1440wb Doc21:23
DocScrutinizer05this more and more feels like a XY live gig, doors: 20:00, main act: 22:0021:25
qwazixhehe21:26
thedead1440Doc what are your thoughts on the post linked above?21:26
thedead1440should Council in conjunction with fmg draft a response and inquire if there are possibilities for those codecs arriving on the n900?21:27
qwazixI think it's not a bad idea, though I fear the cost will be unbearable21:28
qwazixbtw the i8190 (samsung, symbian) did 720p with the same SoC21:28
thedead1440i think similarly about the costs hence we have to be tactful in our response showing how we are basically a self-sustaining community with limited resources and would appreciate their co-operation21:29
sixwheeledbeast^It's worth inquiring IMO21:29
thedead1440qwazix: samsung is well known to always pay for codecs across all its models since a long time; maybe they did purchase the IP for symbian at that time21:29
thedead1440s/for codecs/for extra codecs/21:30
qwazixprobably. The phone also had DivX sticker on it. Anyway this is getting off-topic21:31
qwazixAnd since you brought it up I actually think you are the best person for the job :)21:31
thedead1440ok i'll liaise with fmg as i'm not well-versed with technical terms and draft a response. will do it in the next 2 days and cc all for approval21:32
thedead1440any objections/suggestions from the rest?21:33
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: I have no idea. heard of all that first time right 2 min ago21:33
thedead1440its only 4 posts in all that you have to read21:34
DocScrutinizer05nah, that's not true. You don't know how I prepare myself for making a statement on anything. 4 posts will not suffice to do so for sure21:34
thedead1440actually if you could get yourself interested on this you are best placed to handle it due to your experience with all this stuff21:36
DocScrutinizer05that however depends on my interest in all that. A short summary would help for sure to decide if I might get interested21:37
thedead1440i don't mind doing the drafting of a response but you have surely dealt with something like this at one point or another during your openmoko time21:37
DocScrutinizer05sounds like trying to convince somebody to port his closed source 720p drivers to N900 platform for free21:39
DocScrutinizer05I'd honestly think we had way huger problems, but nevermind. People care about what they like to care about21:40
thedead1440well if its low cost a fund-raiser might help; we wouldn't know how far-fetched the idea is unless some communication with Ittiam is done21:40
DocScrutinizer05sure, go for it21:41
thedead1440as community council we should be getting involved if community members feel an official response should be made21:41
DocScrutinizer05response to what?21:41
DocScrutinizer05has anybody called us?21:41
thedead1440response to Ittiam's initial reply21:41
thedead1440the post i linked has Ittiam's reply21:42
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DocScrutinizer05sorry tl;dr21:42
thedead1440Thank you for showing interest towards Ittiam Systems IP.21:42
thedead1440To answer your question, yes we can port our codecs on Omap 3430 if not already available.21:42
thedead1440Which IP do you need: Video? Audio? Imaging?21:42
thedead1440Could we talk about your project? How can I join you?21:42
thedead1440Sincerely,21:42
DocScrutinizer05stop that!!21:42
thedead1440it is just those 5 lines21:43
DocScrutinizer05and those 5 lines are about as good as elvish to me21:43
thedead1440no further communication after that and fmg asked for council to step in and communicate instead of random community members doing so21:43
DocScrutinizer05since I bnever showed interest, and for sure I won't start do so on such SPAM21:43
DocScrutinizer05every 2nd mail of the 500 I get per day starts like "thanks you for showing interest"21:44
thedead1440its not my fault your spam filter sucks or you engage in communications with people who end up only spamming you21:45
thedead1440if you have no objections to me drafting a response i'll proceed21:45
DocScrutinizer05and I'll for sure not go leeroy jenkins inmidst of a communication that I have no idea how it started and who's involved and what it's all about21:45
DocScrutinizer05thedead1440: you're free to response to whatever you like, whole day long21:46
thedead1440you are over-complicating matters as usual; anyway screw your 1 vote... if the other 3 MCC members have no objections i'll proceed21:46
DocScrutinizer05ok, I'm out for today21:46
DocScrutinizer05and if this is the new (and actually old, since MT) council style, I'm out not only for today21:47
thedead1440i'm not going to waste my time doing a response if all other MCC members think we shouldn't be responding hence my call for objections to be brought forward21:47
DocScrutinizer05you FUCKING go and announce such stuff 2 days BEFORE asking about optinions and objections!!21:48
thedead1440fmg asked us a few hours ago!!!21:48
thedead1440i raised the topic21:48
kerionot really, you asked "any objections"21:49
thedead1440kerio: i asked for any objections to me doing a response as suggested by qwazix21:49
DocScrutinizer05WHERE got that topic get made known to council at large?21:50
thedead1440on #maemo he asked me and sixwheeledbeast^ to raise it at meeting since he won't be able to attend today's meeting21:50
DocScrutinizer05is it on the agenda for today's meeting? oh wait, where IS the agenda for today's meeting?21:51
sixwheeledbeast^yep, I was there.21:52
DocScrutinizer05so you bash me with a URL to a fsckng tmo post while I'm walking and 10 minutes later, while I just get out of my jacket and shoes, you ask about any objections in council to do XY? great!21:52
DocScrutinizer05feels estelesian21:53
thedead1440i didn't bash you till you started labelling things as SPAM! Doc i never waste time bashing as its just that. But i don't accept being run over unfairly too. You want people to communicate properly then do it yourself too21:53
thedead1440anyway i'm not raising that topic anymore and might as well go get some sleep instead of engaging in silly discussions.21:54
thedead1440Goodnight all...21:54
DocScrutinizer05last wek chem|st. this week you. I'm fed up with that kind of "meeting"21:55
DocScrutinizer05<thedead1440> you are over-complicating matters as usual; anyway screw your 1 vote.  ---  But i don't accept being run over unfairly too. You want people to communicate properly then do it yourself too21:58
DocScrutinizer05**funny**21:58
DocScrutinizer05to read and think about 4 posts, I need at least 10 min, which you never gave me21:59
DocScrutinizer05and to utter a *official* notion about any such complicated stuff, I need an hour at least to check background and whatnot. And you say I'm overcomplicating stuff and running over you22:00
DocScrutinizer05HAHA22:00
DocScrutinizer05and >>anyway screw your 1 vote.<< is as nasty and bold as it gets22:01
DocScrutinizer05I'm honestly disappointed about performance of this new council(s)22:02
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DocScrutinizer05since our valued community visitors and occasioanly log readrs are not responsible or to blame for any mess inside council, here just a bit of actual entertainment and info, though not exactly about anything council related:22:26
DocScrutinizer05techstaff succeeded to finally restore the notorious repligard table in midgard, which meant we now are in a sitiazion where most parts of midgard start to work again as supposed22:27
DocScrutinizer05which resulted so far in a tiny edit on fotter of every maemo.org page, mentioning our sponsor Nemeon for their valued free hosting of our servers22:28
DocScrutinizer05it should be finally possible to edit arbitary webpages on maemo.org now22:29
DocScrutinizer05last night we seen a xen VIF error in wiki VM which required rebooting of complete blade. During this reboot we updated to a bugfixed kernel, so this hopefully is the last time this widespread and common XEN bug is hitting us22:32
qwazixs/Nemeon/IPHH/ ?22:33
DocScrutinizer05many thanks to xes for his incredibly professional and sustained work to bugfix xen and keep our xen kernels safe and working22:34
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: indeed22:34
DocScrutinizer05sorry22:34
DocScrutinizer05and probably I forgot to mention it during last meeting: freemangordin fixed our bugs.maemo.org so we could enable it again22:36
DocScrutinizer05"should council officially answer to XY? please any objections now otherwise I take that as a 'yes'. You had 5 minutes time to make up your mind by reading the texts I linked you to"23:22
DocScrutinizer05golden rule: *never* require meeting participants to read any texts during meeting23:23

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