IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2012-12-28

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DocScrutinizer05I might be 30min late on meeting18:31
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DocScrutinizer51actually I'll be in time but mobile, with flaky connectivity19:26
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: disable the automatic buffer clear19:44
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MentalistTraceur*Clears throat* Greetings all. Alright, so since ivgalvez may be having difficulty getting online, I say we give it a few minutes (about 5) before we start.19:57
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MentalistTraceurGreetings.19:58
ivgalvezhi19:58
ivgalvezI'm afraid I would only be available for a few minutes19:58
MentalistTraceurAnd, we are all here, I think. (Minus NielDK who I presume is still having personal issues).19:58
ivgalvezwe've just packed and we are about to leave19:58
MentalistTraceurAh, alright.19:58
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, qwazix, you there?19:59
MentalistTraceurThe agenda, as per the email discussion, is:19:59
MentalistTraceur1. TMO Administration/Moderation20:00
MentalistTraceur2. Repository Management20:00
MentalistTraceur3. Recruiting of Volunteers for Other Administrative Tasks20:00
MentalistTraceur4. Publishing the Meeting Agenda.20:00
MentalistTraceurAnd with that, I would say meeting officially begins, although I'm not sure if DocScrutinizer05 and/or qwazix are afk.20:01
ivgalvezlet's wait a bit20:01
ivgalvezjust in case I need to leave before they arrive20:02
ivgalvezfor point 4, I agree with your proposal20:02
MentalistTraceurAlright. Waiting it is.20:02
MentalistTraceur(Agreement noted.)20:03
ivgalvezfor point 3, I think it would be wise to start building a team of people for all the tasks that will be needed after transition, as they will be volunteers I think it would be good to have more than one person for each task,20:03
HtheBsorry to unterrupt, Do I have to join the meeting? (about the admin thing)20:04
ivgalvezcheers20:04
ivgalvezwelcome20:04
DocScrutinizer51cheers20:04
HtheBo/20:04
MentalistTraceurYou're welcome to join, I'm not sure about having to.20:05
MentalistTraceurBut anyone's always welcome to speak up.20:06
HtheBThanks20:06
MentalistTraceurivgalvez, DocScrutinizer05, shall we wait a bit more for qwazix, in case he shows?20:06
DocScrutinizer51I'm mobile with lots of lag ant interruptions20:07
MentalistTraceurAnd by 'shows' I mean indicates his presense at the keyboard, since he's technically showing presently.20:07
MentalistTraceurAh.20:07
ivgalvezDocScrutinizer51, as you are with flakey connection it might be better if you start with point 120:07
ivgalvezqwazix could read logs once arrive20:08
DocScrutinizer51if nobody has objections, I'll add a mail later, since what I wanted to remark was not sth we need to discuss20:09
DocScrutinizer51it's basically just about difference between sysops and (wiki,repo)maintainers20:10
MentalistTraceurAlternatively, we can end the meeting here since it seems to be an inconvenient time for both of you (and qwazix possibly), and just pick this up next week?20:10
ivgalvezyes, you have already commented about that, let's say that we are only discussing about maintainers20:10
MentalistTraceurOr, if something is more urgent, we can reschedule meeting or discuss by e-mail.20:11
ivgalvezMentalistTraceur, next week could be worse ;-)20:11
ivgalvezyou never know20:11
HtheBwe can start with point 120:12
ivgalvezHtheB I understood from your emails that you volunteered for TMO maintenance, is that right?20:12
HtheByes20:12
HtheBWould love to contribute in anyway I can20:12
ivgalvezare you interested in any other responsibilities? bugzilla, garage, ...20:12
HtheBtbh, i never used them before20:13
HtheBonly made an account once, but thats it20:13
HtheBim almost always at tmo itself20:13
HtheB(when I'm using the internet)20:13
HtheBfor me, tmo feels like home20:14
ivgalvezdo you have any experience in forums administration in general and vBulletin in particular?20:14
HtheByes20:14
ivgalvezPHP?20:14
HtheBa bit20:14
HtheBbut mostly just the ui part20:14
HtheBi rather not work on the code20:15
ivgalvezwell chemist has already been appointed as TMO maintainer, but I think it's better to have two guys for the job as it's one of the most critical services we have20:15
HtheBhmmm20:15
kerioHtheB: how good are you with people?20:15
HtheBvery good20:15
HtheB:D20:15
HtheBi dont know how to answer else20:15
ivgalvezin a scale of 1 (like DocScrutinizer) and 10 (like me)?  :-D :-D20:16
DocScrutinizer51~ping20:16
ivgalvezjoking20:16
HtheBhahhaha20:16
DocScrutinizer51if nobody has objections, I'll add a mail later, since what I wanted to remark was not sth we need to discuss20:16
DocScrutinizer51we need one professional sysop, we can get voluntary maintainers for repo, wiki, tmo...20:16
ivgalvezyes, we are only discussing maintenance at this point20:17
MentalistTraceurNo objections on my end, email away.20:17
DocScrutinizer51it's basically just about difference between sysops and (wiki,repo)maintainers20:17
ivgalvezso let20:18
DocScrutinizer51I'm again afk for 5 min20:18
DocScrutinizer51disconnected20:18
ivgalvezshall we vote for HtheB as co-mantainer?20:18
DocScrutinizer51yes, but I think klast call is up to chemist20:18
DocScrutinizer51afk20:19
ivgalvezanyway result frm Council voting has to be commented with chemist20:19
DocScrutinizer51bbl20:19
ivgalvezMentalistTraceur?20:20
MentalistTraceurHmm, I honestly can't say I know enough of HtheB off the top of my head to feel I can make an informed vote off the top of my head.20:20
MentalistTraceurs/know/"know and/or remember"/20:20
HtheBu can see how many thanks ive got and for what20:21
ivgalvezI recall qwazix supported his nomination20:21
HtheBi dont know how else I can show20:21
HtheBdo u ever heard of project N955?20:22
ivgalvezOK, we can then take a closer look, comment with qwazix and chemist and made the decision by email20:22
ivgalvezDoc seems disconnected again20:23
ivgalvezand I need to leave20:23
MentalistTraceurThat; but it seems ivgalvez and qwazix already support you,20:23
MentalistTraceurso you'll probably have the council's vote, I'd wager.20:23
HtheBThank you20:23
ivgalvezthanks to you20:23
MentalistTraceurAnyway, alright, good luck with your traveling ivgalvez.20:23
HtheB I already take this job serious,20:23
HtheBthats why I joined this meeting, without someone even telling it to me20:24
ivgalvezthanks MentalistTraceur, see you20:24
ivgalvezand happy New Year to all20:24
MentalistTraceurLikewise.20:24
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MentalistTraceurHtheB: for the record, my hesitation is not from anything against you, I just always take making decisions on anything without as complete as possible of information rather seriously.20:25
MentalistTraceurI'll look through TMO for your posts specifically today,20:25
HtheBMentalistTraceur, sure no problem20:26
MentalistTraceurs/today,/today./20:26
DocScrutinizer51ok, here again (semi)20:26
HtheBwb DocScrutinizer0520:26
HtheBDocScrutinizer51 *20:27
MentalistTraceurDocScrutinizer05, ivgalvez just had to leave and qwazix is still inactive,20:27
DocScrutinizer51hm20:27
MentalistTraceurso if you'd like, we can wrap up now? Between the two of us we don't have anything we could vote on conclusively, given that we are 2 out of 5,20:27
DocScrutinizer51no objection20:28
HtheBotherwise vote by mail shouldn't be hard20:28
DocScrutinizer51do we have to vote anything?20:29
MentalistTraceurand yeah, we can vote/resolve things by mail before next meeting as need be.20:29
MentalistTraceurYou can state your vote for/against HtheB now,20:29
DocScrutinizer51HtheB ios chemist's domain no20:29
MentalistTraceurYeah, but we can still approve/disapprove, as a recommendation.20:30
DocScrutinizer51for sysop  we're still trying to get clear concept20:30
MentalistTraceurYou can also express agree/disagree for point 4, on publishing the tentative meeting agenda a day or so ahead of the meeting.20:31
MentalistTraceurBut again, can be done by email, so no rush there.20:31
DocScrutinizer51MentalistTraceur: btw no worries with your minutes, all fine20:31
DocScrutinizer51I hoped for ivgal telling a few details from board internals20:32
MentalistTraceurThat's reassuring. Thank you.20:32
MentalistTraceurI'm sure he would've if he had the time, but he's traveling today.20:33
MentalistTraceurWe can prod him about it by email.20:33
DocScrutinizer51whatms up with CC devices?20:34
MentalistTraceurQwazix was handling it so i'm not completely up to date, but my understanding is that since we haven't heard any news, dead end.20:35
DocScrutinizer51not completely20:35
HtheBguys, is there anything else I can/have to do (right now?)20:36
DocScrutinizer51there's still one contact into Nokia who actually is alive and answering20:36
MentalistTraceurOooo, that's good. Was that the last one Ivgalvez found?20:36
DocScrutinizer51HtheB: talk to chemist20:37
MentalistTraceurHtheB, yeah, you're free to go.20:37
DocScrutinizer51HtheB: eventually I'll come back on you about sysop20:38
HtheBDocScrutinizer51, about sysop20:38
DocScrutinizer51HtheB: we're short on sysops20:38
HtheBwhat is my reponsibility?20:39
DocScrutinizer51*everything* :-P20:39
HtheBcodewise?20:39
DocScrutinizer51more honestly, keep system alive20:39
DocScrutinizer51netfilters, cert, syslogs20:40
DocScrutinizer51such crap20:40
DocScrutinizer51monitoring20:40
HtheBhmmm20:40
DocScrutinizer51updates20:40
DocScrutinizer51backups20:41
HtheBI have no exp. with being an sysop :(20:41
DocScrutinizer51oh20:41
DocScrutinizer51ok20:41
HtheB(sysop... still reminds me to the BBS)20:41
HtheBtoo bad I was born a bit late to enjoy bbs20:42
DocScrutinizer51basically sysop is root, whie maintainers are users20:42
HtheBI can learn it20:43
DocScrutinizer51sure20:43
HtheBbut, for now, I can be a maintainer20:43
DocScrutinizer51I'll keep your file with tag 'junior co-syso,'20:43
HtheBtnx doc20:44
DocScrutinizer51and for tmo you're almost dor sure maintainer, under hemist20:44
DocScrutinizer51for*20:44
DocScrutinizer51chemist*20:44
DocScrutinizer51dang, cold oputside20:44
HtheBi have a question20:45
DocScrutinizer51shoot20:45
HtheBwhat is the situation of tmo now?20:45
DocScrutinizer51running til 20.1. on old server20:45
HtheBafter that?20:46
DocScrutinizer51til then we migrate to a vserver by nemein20:46
HtheBnice20:46
MentalistTraceurSo can I note that as your approval of HtheB for that role (TMO maintainer under chemist), DocScrutinizer05? If so then that's 3 votes in favor and he recieves the council recommendation to chemist.20:46
HtheBhope that the transission will go smooth20:47
DocScrutinizer51which means *one* sysop can maintain whole *.m.o in one session20:47
DocScrutinizer51Reggie will help migrate20:47
DocScrutinizer51bergie: ping20:47
MentalistTraceurIsn't Nemein hosted in Europe? Because if so, it looks like moving TMO out of US jurisdiction was never as difficult as we were told the Board though.20:48
MentalistTraceurs/though/thought20:48
DocScrutinizer51shhhhh!20:48
MentalistTraceurLol.20:49
DocScrutinizer51don't wake sleeping dogs20:49
DocScrutinizer51there never been any issue20:50
DocScrutinizer51once the hard facts got sorted20:50
DocScrutinizer51I received bashing for sorting them, but I can take that20:51
HtheBis it rly that hard to change/move from servers?20:51
DocScrutinizer51no20:51
MentalistTraceur*Nod* Good to know. And good work, on that front.20:51
DocScrutinizer51thanks20:52
DocScrutinizer51fold it up now?20:52
MentalistTraceurAs in, end meeting?20:52
DocScrutinizer51yup20:53
MentalistTraceurYep, I'm done if you have nothing else to add.20:53
DocScrutinizer51cold20:53
DocScrutinizer51moving home20:53
DocScrutinizer51o/20:53
MentalistTraceurMeeting adjourned. Happy holidays and the like, everyone.20:53
MentalistTraceurBye.20:53
HtheBsame for u20:53
DocScrutinizer51same20:53
HtheBhappy 2013!20:53
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DocScrutinizer05for the chanlog (and mentalist-t): yes, you can count me in on voting "yes" for HtheB as an option offered to chem|st to pick his co-workers from21:37
DocScrutinizer05aiui the procedure is like: somebody gets suggested or applies for a maintainer job. council has a first look at it, decides if the request is reasonable and who's the main responsible (in this case chem|st), Council is conduit between applicant and main responsible and asks for his decision. After main responsible decided on the issue, board has a last veto option in it, for that purpose council forwards about the planned new21:41
DocScrutinizer05person and the details to board and finally approves main responsible's decision.21:41
DocScrutinizer05^^^ that's completely made up by me as it's nowhere defined, but it seems to me that it feel like the natural procedure21:42
DocScrutinizer05so if no objections, I'd like to suggest this as a best  common practice draft21:42
DocScrutinizer05once approved, either council or main responsible approaches adminstrator-coordinator to initiate account and credentials, permissions getting set up for the new maintainer21:46
DocScrutinizer05if necessary21:46
DocScrutinizer05sometimes permissions of main responsible maintainer may suffice to create a new account on the subsystem in question21:47
DocScrutinizer05nevertheless best practice is to keep admin-coordinator up to date regarding enabled accounts on all subsystems21:48

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