IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2012-11-23

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ivgalvezDocScrutinizer05 ping19:56
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DocScrutinizer05hi MentalistTraceur20:02
DocScrutinizer05hi qwazix20:02
qwazixhi DocScrutinizer0520:02
DocScrutinizer05I'm short on time today, will leave in a few minutes20:03
MentalistTraceurOkay. Who has what to bring up today for the meeting agenda?20:03
qwazixok, maybe we should get started? ivan will not be here anyway, has anybody talked with NeildK20:03
DocScrutinizer05But I also have no urgent discussion points, apart from ivgalvez obviously doesn't have a IRC account to assign cloak to, and the nototious infra mess lingering on20:04
MentalistTraceurI haven't talked to him, it was my supposition ivan would do any talking-to-him necessary, or he'd come whenever able.20:04
qwazixI have, that the Nokia rep regarding the CC devices hasn't responded to my message yet20:04
DocScrutinizer05[2012-11-23 18:56:02] <ivgalvez> DocScrutinizer05 ping20:05
qwazixDocScrutinizer51, he sent mail right after he quit20:06
MentalistTraceurOkay, so, agenda seems to be: 1. Note Ivgalvez has no irc account so can't get cloak; 2. Note that infra is still messy (tho ivgalvez emailed saying board will be having a meeting with Nemein and Nokia next week),20:06
MentalistTraceurand 3. CC devices rep hasn't responded to qwazix.20:06
qwazixI have another thing i think it's worth discussing, but it's in no way urgent so maybe next time20:07
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez is *supposed* to have a proper IRC account, otherwise couldn't get any irc permissions e.g regarding this channel's topic either20:07
DocScrutinizer05every council member is supposed to have IRC account and be frequently/regularly available on IRC for users20:08
qwazixIt's not hard to get an irc account so I can just reply to his mail today and ask him to register one20:08
qwazixIt's even more important because a troll could use his username to cause harm20:09
qwazix(Start flame wars or worse)20:09
MentalistTraceurOkay @ ivgalvez-topic. Agreed. qwazix: does it need to be discussed with more council members present, 'cause if not it's fine to add whatever the other thing you said you had to discuss to agenda.20:09
DocScrutinizer05qwazix: right20:10
qwazixNo, not really just some thoughts... Let's talk about it later.20:10
DocScrutinizer05wiki edit error:20:11
DocScrutinizer05#0 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/EditPage.php(956): wfRunHooks('EditFilterMerge...', Array)20:11
DocScrutinizer05I think it's possible to publish /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/EditPage.php (and other *.php) to allow community to help fix the issue20:11
qwazixIf we know the mediawiki version we can find the source20:12
DocScrutinizer05it's not like  /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/* etc is hiding any secrit stuff20:12
MentalistTraceurOkay, so shall we formally begin? (I honestly don't mind having these more casually-flowing meeting discussions either.)20:13
DocScrutinizer05X-Fade: could you publish the "executables" of wiki so community can help fix them, please20:13
qwazixIt could have a config file in there don't remember the M-W structure, but obviously that won't be published20:14
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DocScrutinizer05If there are no further points you want to discuss with me, i'm out20:15
qwazixMentalistTraceur, I think we've already started anyway, with the IRC cloak thing settled and moved to topic 2, no need to restart.20:15
DocScrutinizer05anything you need me for?20:16
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, not me20:16
MentalistTraceurYeah, more or less agreed, qwazix. Doc, I guess not, unless you want to chip in.20:16
MentalistTraceurBad wording, sorry,20:16
MentalistTraceurobv. you want to chip in just presumably have something more urgent20:17
DocScrutinizer05so, i'll read minutes then (thanks for the last ones, were very well prepared :-D), cya20:17
MentalistTraceurAlright, bye.20:17
qwazixMentalistTraceur, 2 min break please.20:17
MentalistTraceurYeah, sure thing. If there's nothing else to add on the infrastructure topic, we can just move on to topic 3 and wrap up with the meeting.20:19
MentalistTraceur(Under 30 minutes at that - I wonder if that's a record)20:20
qwazixback. Sorry for that.20:20
MentalistTraceurNo problem.20:21
qwazixMaybe we should notify X-Fade alternatively too, or are we sure he'll see Doc's request above?20:21
MentalistTraceurYeah, good point. Do we know his other contact information?20:22
MentalistTraceur(I'm sure it's available somewhere even if we don't, or we can get if from the other council members...20:23
qwazixWe do, please join the other channel.20:23
MentalistTraceurAlright, doing that, aside from that, would you like to contact him, or shall I?20:25
MentalistTraceurI can do it, but it might take me a day or so (but it'll definitely be done by the time I put up the meeting minutes on Monday20:26
qwazixI can do that.20:26
qwazixSo, to next topic?20:27
MentalistTraceurAlright, great, thank you.20:27
MentalistTraceur#3, CC device, and contact not having replied, I believe.20:27
qwazixI sent an email to the contact that sent the DHL tracking mails requesting some info about the two devices not yet received20:28
MentalistTraceurOh, on that note: Do you know if the device recipient of that malfunctioning N950 has had any luck?20:29
qwazixAlso I told dirksonguer (i think that's the nick) who received the malfunctioning device to send an email about his problems too to the same person20:29
qwazixHe said he sent an email but I don't have a follow-up. I assume that there wasn't any reply there either, until proven.20:30
qwazixThere is another contact person, who was in charge of the first batch of devices (community awards, nokia store, and Qt5)20:30
qwazixShould we try him too? He may very well have left Nokia since then...20:31
MentalistTraceurHmm, yeah, if there's no reply from the other one, might as well.20:31
qwazix(being a Qt guy as far as I know)20:31
qwazixOk, I'll wait until monday, so that a whole week has passed and try again.20:32
MentalistTraceurWorst case scenario he's either not there and the e-mail goes no-where, or he's there and gets annoyed at the e-mail, best case scenario he's actually able to help.20:32
MentalistTraceurYeah, agreed.20:32
qwazixI think we've settled this too (for now)20:33
qwazixAlthough it has started itching badly.20:33
MentalistTraceurYep, unless you have anything else, I think we're done for the day.20:34
qwazixJust for the record, I've introduced myself as a coucil member to the Jolla community relationship chief.20:35
MentalistTraceurOkay, shall I note this in the meeting minutes?20:35
MentalistTraceur(I'm thinking I shall. Sounds like something to tell community.)20:35
MentalistTraceurI should do that too, by the way, good thing you mentioned that.20:36
qwazixI don't know maybe it will be good, if we want something it's better to go through somebody who's had an in-person contact, even once20:36
qwazix(bad english) Rephrasing.20:36
MentalistTraceurI think I understood what you meant.20:37
DocScrutinizer05one more thing I just remembered: I'm going to ask for changing *all* existing cloaks /maemo/community/council* to /maemo/cummunity/contributor (then install council cloaks for current members), unless somebody owning such cloak right now for historical reasons claims he wants to keep it20:37
qwazixI think it's good, in case the maemo community wants to contact jolla about something to contact them through a person who has already met them in person.20:38
qwazixDocScrutinizer05, ok20:38
MentalistTraceurqwazix: *Nod*. Doc: I agree. Actually I would rather even omit the "historical reasons" exception - seems like the council cloak should be something clearly indicating current councilmembers,20:39
MentalistTraceur"contributor" covers past contributions, council included, just fine, in my opinion.20:40
qwazixI agree with MentalistTraceur20:40
DocScrutinizer05I tend to agree, but I wouldn't overrule somebody claiming it, unless I heard why he wants to20:40
DocScrutinizer05anyway announcing it is PC20:40
MentalistTraceurYeah, agreed, obviously hearing people out if they want to keep it is reasonable.20:41
DocScrutinizer05which I did here and now, and if nobody approaches me about it after minutes got published, I'll proceed20:42
qwazixI'm okay with that too.20:42
MentalistTraceurAnd with that I think we're done for the day?20:42
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qwazixYes I think that's all.20:42
MentalistTraceurAlright, meeting adjourned (spelling?).20:43
MentalistTraceurThanks for coming everyone. I'll be a bit delayed in getting the minutes draft out this time, but I promise to send them out by the end of today.20:44
DocScrutinizer05MentalistTraceur: no hurries, there's nothing pressing in minutes themselves this time, afaict20:46
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez should create an IRC account, so I can proceed with sending list to x-fade on monday20:47
DocScrutinizer05rather wednesday, when everybody had chance to read the minutes20:48
DocScrutinizer05so, nothing pressing whatsoever20:48
MentalistTraceurI can't tell if that's sarcasm, Joerg. If you're saying ivgalvez needs to be told to make an account sooner rather than later, then I can e-mail ivgalvez right now to let him know we'd like him to make an account, a lot faster than putting together the minutes.20:51
DocScrutinizer51MentalistTraceur: no sarcasm. just listing dependencies20:52
qwazixI'll send that e-mail to ivgalvez, so MentalistTraceur you can proceed with the minutes20:52
qwazixDocScrutinizer51, I said earlier that I would mail X-Fade too with your request with publishing the mediawiki php files, but if you're going to ask him about the cloaks better not spam him, can you send that request too?20:54
MentalistTraceurI'm already typing up the e-mail to ivgalvez actually, but if you've already started too, I can discard mine.20:54
DocScrutinizer51I'd prefer to handle those issues in separate mail threads. So much appreciated if you send a mail to him about wiki20:55
DocScrutinizer51and I haven't started any mail to ivgalvez, so that one also welcome20:55
qwazixOk then I'll handle both mails.20:57
MentalistTraceurqwazix, I already have my email to ivgalvex basically finished. I can just hit the send button whenever.21:00
qwazixhehe, me too...21:00
MentalistTraceurFlip a coin?21:01
DocScrutinizer51err no infobot ?21:05
MentalistTraceuralright, we've sorted it in PM.21:05
MentalistTraceurI sent qwazix my draft, and he's welcome to integrate whatever I had in mine into his)21:05
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MentalistTraceurAlright, I have to sign out, I'll have the meeting minutes out, like I said, by the end of today (today my time, i.e. sometime in the next 10 hours)21:13
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