IRC log of #maemo-meeting for Friday, 2012-11-02

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Woody14619Hello :)20:01
ivgalvezhi20:02
ivgalvezhow do you feel?20:02
Woody14619Doing much better...  The flu is gone, but still have a nasty cough from the bronchitis.20:03
Woody14619Soo...  Do we want to wait a bit for Rob/Niel?20:04
ivgalvezhow was Sandy in your surroundings?20:05
ivgalvezyes, let's wait a few minutes20:05
Palido you know what happen with maemo.org in 2013? Will nokia turn off servers? Or is there transfer to community?20:06
Woody14619Not super bad... I live upstate, so nowhere near the center of it.  We did get some nasty rain/wind though, so flooding and lots of trees knocked over, usually onto power lines.20:06
ivgalvezHi Pali20:06
Palihi :-)20:07
Woody14619Pali: That is still being worked on, AFAIK.  Council/Board have a meeting setup for that very soon, right ivgalvez?20:07
ivgalvezYes, we are trying to get new sponsor for hosting20:07
ivgalvezhowever I'm not so confident that migration could be done smoothly20:07
ivgalvezwe might need to replicate infrastructure if we don't receive proper support from Nemein20:08
Woody14619ivgalvez: My work, on the other hand, does aerial photography, including imaging of disaster areas for surveying and the like.  So, right now we're stupidly busy trying to re-shoot lots of those areas hit hard for our customers.20:09
Woody14619Much easier for them to do an assesment in an office, based on images, instead of doing them all on location.  Especially in cases where it's obvious (eg. house is simply gone, or clearly smahed by a tree, etc)20:10
Woody14619I am hopefull once Board is in place things will fall into line much easier than it is right now though.20:11
ivgalvezhopefully20:12
Woody14619Well, shall we begin?20:12
ivgalvezok20:12
Woody14619#start Maemo Council meeting.20:12
Woody14619Agenda:20:13
Woody146191. CC awards, follow-up.20:13
Woody146192. Bylaws wrap up.20:13
Woody146193. Council election20:13
Woody146194. Board setup & such.20:13
Woody146195. Misc20:13
Woody14619Topic 1: CC Awards20:13
Woody14619Have we pinged the Nokia rep for a status on this yet?20:13
ivgalvezDevices are being received20:13
ivgalvezno problems up to now20:13
Woody14619Oh?!  Great news.20:13
Woody14619Awesome... so that's pretty much wrapped up then.20:14
Woody14619Topic 2: Bylaws20:14
Woody14619The bylaws are rather complete...  Rev 7 may go to a Rev 8 with a few minor issues (including STV as formal method for votes, etc)20:14
ivgalvezI understand that we should fix the mention to IRC about meetings20:15
ivgalvezas it seems to be impossible due to legal reasons20:15
Woody14619Someone is (again) trying to stir things up, but I think most people are on board.20:15
Woody14619Yes and no...20:15
Woody14619There are several other NFP groups that have such verbiage in their bylaws20:16
Woody14619And while it may be non-effective right now, if there's a presiding judgement in a case allowing it (as there has been in several other states, including NY) then it would allow us to use that after such rulling is done.20:16
ivgalvezOK20:17
Woody14619I see little harm in leaving it in... But the lawyer review will probably be the final say.20:17
ivgalvezAlso to ask Rob: do the Bylaws need to be approved during first Board meeting?20:17
Woody14619(But as Rob proposed putting it in there as a catch-all, I'm susspecting it will ride)20:17
Woody14619I'm quite certain that's the case... He's said as much several times.20:17
Woody14619And it makes sense, when you think about it.  You have a new Board, they have to have rules to follow.20:18
Woody14619If the didn't they could just postpone that indefinitly and not follow any rules until they felt like it... it would be chaos.20:18
ivgalvezOK then, if version 7 is approved how will the next updates get into it? again in a Board meeting I guess20:19
Woody14619Whatever version is approved, any changes after that will have to be done by the ammendment process listed in the bylaws.20:19
ivgalvezyep, OK20:20
Woody14619That's why it's one of the first things that was put in. :)20:20
ivgalvezso next point, which is kinda problematic...20:20
Woody14619(that first verions was by majority rule of just the Board, as it was boiler-plate from a standard bylaws template...)20:20
Woody14619Topic 3: Council elections20:20
Woody14619From input I've gotten, historic prescident is that for 5 standing candidates, the rule is appointment of all 5.20:21
Woody14619The wording in the election rules is pretty clear...20:22
Woody14619And since this is for Maemo Council, and not Foundation Council (yet), it seems those would be the rules to follow. :P20:22
ivgalvezOK then20:23
Woody14619I'm not super-fond of it myself, but at the same time, I don't see a huge issue either.20:23
ivgalvezMaybe next Council could iron this clear glitch in election rules20:23
Woody14619I think all those involved will be reasonable and resposible Council.20:23
Woody14619Well... Yes.. and frankly, the next Council will likely be a Foundation Council, not a Maemo Council.20:24
Woody14619I'd prefer to see the Maemo rules changed as well, just to be safe.   Perhapse I can write up a referendum and push the next Council to pass that.  Assuming they want to hear from me. ;)20:24
ivgalvezsure I want20:25
Woody14619As for timing, it would appear that the next Council will take effect at latest by the end of what would have been the election period.20:26
Woody14619I was somewhat hopefull that those involved would be here this week to say hello and what not, but.. :(20:26
Woody14619Topic 4: Board setup20:27
Woody14619We have a date, and it sounds like we're using Skype, yes?20:27
ivgalvezboth Skype and GTalk are ok to me20:28
Woody14619If that's the case, we should have at least one party record the meeting for legal purposes.  (And I think the bylaws call for minutes, if not transcripts, be made available somewhere.)20:28
ivgalvezhowever, I haven't used any of them with multiple callers20:29
Woody14619I'm good with either as well.  Skype has the added advantage of being able to use out N900 or N9 (and thus tools like call recorder).20:29
ivgalvezI hope it runs20:29
Woody14619I used skype once in a 3-way call, but I was a leaf party.  If I get a chance I'll look into it.  I'm sure it's possible.  GTalk may be preferable, just in that it also allows us to use other G services.20:30
Woody14619Like transfering documents around, etc.20:30
Woody14619That's an e-mail follow up thing. (Which I've not read yet today...)20:30
Woody14619Topic 5: Misc20:30
Woody14619Anything else we haven't covered?20:31
ivgalvezwell the situation with infrastructure is worriying20:32
ivgalvezNemein and Nokia are not very comunicative at this moment20:32
Woody14619I agree... But I think both will come around when they have a legal entity to talk to.20:33
Woody14619Talking to a user group vs talking to another company is very different for them.20:34
ivgalvezI hope so20:34
ivgalvezI now for sure from companies that don't dtalk to other ones that are not interesting to them20:34
Woody14619Well, we'll see very soon either way.  I think Nokia will be very willing to setup something.  And once they do, Nemien will be able to talk to us as a potential employer vs as a customer.20:36
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Woody14619hey! :)20:38
Woody14619Hello future Council member. :)20:38
ivgalvezwelcome20:38
Woody14619So... we're at misc. :)20:40
qwazixHello, sorry for being late20:40
qwazixreading the log right now20:41
Woody14619qwazix: no problem.  I've been late to a couple my self in the past 6 months. ;)20:41
Woody14619Anything else Ivan? I know you usually have to head off around this time. :(20:42
qwazixI was looking at past logs and saw that it started at 21:00 EET but due to daylight savings...20:42
ivgalvezits's usually at 18:00 UTC20:42
qwazixWhich is 20:00 EET winter time. Ok. Next week I'll be prompt.20:43
Woody14619We don't change times here until the 4th...20:43
Woody14619so right now I'm still -4.  Next week will be -5.20:43
qwazixI'm +2 as of this week20:44
Woody14619Lol... Got to love wild random time changes. :P20:44
Woody14619As if we're all still farmers...20:45
ivgalvezyes, offices are always with lights on... where's the saving20:45
Woody14619That's one of the reasons everything Maemo related is listed in UTC, as that doesn't ever shift.20:46
Woody14619In the US we switch initials in the zone (EDT/EST, etc), but even major time-dependant things almost always use EST, even during EDT. :P20:47
qwazixThat makes it even more confusing20:48
Woody14619Anyway.. so... anything else Council related?20:48
ivgalveznothing from my side I think20:48
qwazixDo we have anything like a seperation of council/board responsibilities?20:49
Woody14619Just as a note, I fully intend that at next weeks meeting I'll likely officiate, as the new Council will not have a Chair yet, but will hand most of the floor over to the new Council.20:49
ivgalvezthanks Woody20:49
qwazixAlso is there a formal intercommunication method? Somebody on tmo proposed that one member of each body attends the other's meetings, sounds a good idea20:50
ivgalvezqwazix: we need to work on that, Council should deal with day to day issues and act as interface for the community20:50
Woody14619Tons qwazix.  Right now we're still in a mix, since old Council is mainly incorporators (pre-Board).  But once that changes, there will be a clear divide between the two...20:50
Woody14619It would seem that Ivan could fill that position, being on both bodies.  He'd make the best go-between I think. :)  Though I do think long-term there should be a semi-official position for that (like Secretary, etc)20:51
qwazixSounds good20:51
qwazixWe should also discuss the obsoleted parts of maemo.org some time20:52
Woody14619As I said in my TMO post, even if that (and historical reference) are the only things Ivan has time to provide to the Council, that in itself is a huge benefit.20:52
qwazixwhich to keep, which to ditch20:52
ivgalvezI will try20:52
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ivgalvezqwazix, right now my concern is to save as much as possible20:52
Woody14619Agreed.  But I think some of that will iron itself out based on what Nokia/Nemien can/will transfer and provide.20:53
qwazixI was browsing m.o. today and half of it is abandoned, or new content requires moderation from probably MIA nokia people.20:53
Woody14619I think we should shoot for keeping everything, and then par it down into what's needed.20:54
Woody14619Also, at some point I need to transfer the FB admin stuff to someone on Board?20:54
ivgalvezyes20:54
ivgalvezbut at some point we need to create an administrators group20:55
ivgalveznot necessarily people on Board/Council20:55
Woody14619I've done like 2 small moderation fixes to it (spam removal), but otherwise, it's pretty static at this point.20:55
qwazixFB?20:55
Woody14619I'm willing/happy to continue to do that, as I generally hit FB several times a week. (Facebook)20:55
qwazixah,20:56
Woody14619Maemo.org has an official FB page... setup by Nokia.  I currently am the only active admin, as the rest of the admins are all tied to now abandoned Nokia accounts.20:56
Woody14619Nothing to write home about... About 8K followers.20:57
qwazixlink please20:57
ivgalvezwe should put a link in maeo.org20:57
ivgalvezmaemo.org20:57
Woody14619https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maemo/785569058720:57
ivgalvezthere is also a maemo group in LinkedIn20:57
qwazixthanks20:57
qwazixDo we have admin rights for blogs in planet?20:58
Woody14619I don't think we do... though Nemien probably does.  I think the control the feed for that at least.20:58
qwazixThat fb page could use some nice artwork :) I'll see what I can do20:58
ivgalvezgreat :D20:58
Woody14619lol :) Just don't turn it into a myspace page. ;) :D20:59
Woody14619K, I need to move on.  Got tons of work to do.  Thanks to all and will see you all next week. :)21:01
qwazixNo, no, I'm all for subtle artwork21:01
qwazixBye, have a nice weekend21:01
ivgalvezok bye21:02
Woody14619Same.  If you need me, ping me.. I'll be here a bit, just not watching.21:02
Woody14619Oh, and...21:02
Woody14619#end Maemo Council meeting.21:02
Woody14619:)21:02
ivgalvezgood for you21:02
ivgalvez:)21:02
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ZogG_laptopi missed :(21:46

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