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| Woody14619a | hello.:) | 20:57 |
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| ivgalvez | Hi | 20:57 |
| Woody14619a | So, I'm currently on my N900, at work but offsite. I may be pulled away or lose connection on occasion. | 20:58 |
| ivgalvez | no worries | 20:58 |
| ivgalvez | who else is here? | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | moo | 20:59 |
| kerio | ยต | 21:00 |
| Woody14619a | we still have a few... gives me time to pre type a bit. :) | 21:00 |
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| ivgalvez | glad you have a N900, I can't imagine typing on IRC with a touch screen | 21:00 |
| ivgalvez | greetings SD69 | 21:01 |
| SD69 | hello | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, bat very low | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so without highlight I might miss stuff | 21:02 |
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| Woody14619a | even with N900, still not easy to do. lol. | 21:03 |
| Woody14619a | nieldk! nice to see you again! :) | 21:03 |
| nieldk | :) | 21:04 |
| nieldk | thanks | 21:04 |
| ivgalvez | nieldk, I hope everithing is OK | 21:04 |
| nieldk | better, thanks | 21:04 |
| Woody14619a | also glad to hear things are better (based on your mail to community) | 21:04 |
| nieldk | still married :) | 21:04 |
| Woody14619a | :) and hopfully that's a good thig? :) | 21:05 |
| nieldk | sure is | 21:05 |
| ivgalvez | great, everybody is back | 21:06 |
| Woody14619a | k... well... shall we start? SD69 may be here late, or not. so... :) | 21:06 |
| nieldk | yes | 21:06 |
| SD69 | i'm here... i'm here | 21:06 |
| Woody14619a | just to repeat: | 21:06 |
| Woody14619a | So, I'm currently on my N900, at work but offsite. I may be pulled away or lose connection on occasion. | 21:06 |
| Woody14619a | #Start Maemo Council meeting | 21:07 |
| Woody14619a | Agenda: | 21:07 |
| Woody14619a | 1. CC status | 21:08 |
| Woody14619a | 2. elections | 21:08 |
| Woody14619a | 3. bylaws & nfp status | 21:08 |
| Woody14619a | 4. Community concerns (QT5 request to Council) | 21:08 |
| Woody14619a | t. misc. | 21:08 |
| Woody14619a | 5.misc | 21:08 |
| kerio | nfp? | 21:09 |
| Woody14619a | topic 1: CC | 21:09 |
| nieldk | nfp the new foundation proposal | 21:09 |
| Woody14619a | looks like CC went well. elections ended last night? | 21:09 |
| kerio | they did? :O | 21:09 |
| kerio | i thought the nominations ended last night | 21:10 |
| kerio | oh, coding com | 21:10 |
| kerio | p | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf CC? | 21:10 |
| Woody14619a | no, nominations end tonight. CC ended last night | 21:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: coding compilation | 21:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tnx | 21:10 |
| Woody14619a | I understand folks are working on results. Ryan will announce probably official results Mondayish? | 21:11 |
| nieldk | only final count missing for CC but preliminary results are published | 21:11 |
| kerio | hrmpf, transmission remote is only for harmattan :'( | 21:11 |
| Woody14619a | k. limited net here. | 21:11 |
| ivgalvez | non official results are already online | 21:12 |
| Woody14619a | no forums for me today | 21:12 |
| ivgalvez | it all worked OK | 21:12 |
| Woody14619a | topic 2? elections.... | 21:12 |
| ivgalvez | thanks to Woody14619a for his fixes to the voting machine | 21:12 |
| kerio | ivgalvez: link to non-official results? | 21:12 |
| Woody14619a | we have at least 3 nominees for both boards. | 21:13 |
| Woody14619a | so elections will go on as scheduled. | 21:13 |
| Woody14619a | still about 6 hours for nominations.... | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | kerio, here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1273254&postcount=748 | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | I'm nominating DocScrutinizer51 | 21:14 |
| ivgalvez | for Council | 21:14 |
| Woody14619a | you need to do so on the mailing list. | 21:15 |
| kerio | yay lone wolf ^__^ | 21:15 |
| Woody14619a | and he must accept on the same | 21:15 |
| ivgalvez | yep, I'm writing it | 21:15 |
| Woody14619a | anyone w/ input, do chime in, btw | 21:15 |
| ivgalvez | Stskeeps, are you there? | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | notreally. laptop failure | 21:16 |
| Woody14619a | topic 3: nfp & bylaws... | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | and i won't accept nomination, sorry | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:16 |
| SD69 | we have tax ID for nonprofit | 21:17 |
| nieldk | grest work by you guys on the by-laws | 21:17 |
| ivgalvez | Stskeeps, thanks anyway | 21:17 |
| Woody14619a | posted new blyaws to tmo thread & made a blog post to it as well | 21:18 |
| Woody14619a | had a few more inputs, small things, but probably woth doing... | 21:18 |
| nieldk | seems widely accepted | 21:18 |
| Woody14619a | I have had 0 time to look at bank stuff... | 21:19 |
| SD69 | nieldk: what registrar did you use to register hildonfoundation.org? | 21:19 |
| nieldk | Danish company. Some old friends. | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | gratisdns? | 21:20 |
| nieldk | registers in my name, and not theirs, so should be more easy to hand over the domain | 21:21 |
| nieldk | stskeeps NOO | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | meh, it works fine for me :P | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | nm | 21:21 |
| ivgalvez | so now which domains do we own? | 21:21 |
| Woody14619a | cool. :) should work on that | 21:21 |
| SD69 | I used NetworkSolutions I think. | 21:22 |
| ivgalvez | now that the NFP is formed, we need to ask Nokia about maemo.org domain | 21:22 |
| Woody14619a | yup.... | 21:22 |
| SD69 | ivgalvez: i've asked Nokia contact, no reply | 21:23 |
| SD69 | I got two undeliverable messages for Kate Alhola - maybe she has left Nokia too | 21:23 |
| ivgalvez | did you try with Pekka Kosonen? | 21:23 |
| Woody14619a | may have to wait till monday & try again w/ our current contacts. | 21:24 |
| ivgalvez | yes | 21:24 |
| Woody14619a | need to deal w/ CC awards soon too, so... all bundled... | 21:24 |
| SD69 | yes, I tried with him (who is not to be publicly identified) | 21:24 |
| Woody14619a | anything new, or next topic? | 21:25 |
| Woody14619a | topic 4: mail to council about QT5 winners. | 21:26 |
| SD69 | any luck with Nemein? | 21:26 |
| ivgalvez | nothing | 21:26 |
| ivgalvez | I'm preparing a more proffesional approach | 21:26 |
| ivgalvez | directly to Nemein company | 21:27 |
| Woody14619a | Niels is usually on Mondays.... one last try? | 21:27 |
| Woody14619a | we need to chat with Henri about costs anyway.... | 21:27 |
| ivgalvez | yes sure | 21:27 |
| ivgalvez | anyway I'll ask Nemein for support and costs of service | 21:28 |
| Woody14619a | The QT5 issue predates the current council, and was a Nokia effort to promote QT5. Council was not involved in any of it, AFAIK. | 21:29 |
| ivgalvez | let me ellaborate for public transparency | 21:29 |
| Woody14619a | please... I'm on tiny kb | 21:30 |
| ivgalvez | Laszlo Papp, has contacted Maemo Council asking for retiring Qt5 devices from winners of this Nokia initiative | 21:31 |
| ivgalvez | In his own words: | 21:31 |
| ivgalvez | I am pretty sad about the situation that Harmattan devices were given to 25 developers and it is almost only me who packaged the whole Qt5 stack, and improved the upstream codebase to fit our Maemo/Harmattan needs, along with the help from Arto Jalkanen. Where are the other people who offered this if they get devices? | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | Not to mention I have not even received a device, and I am just really doing this for fun. My screen of my device is a bit broken, so hopefully I do not need to stop this activity soon. It is also hard to get the Harmattan devices nowadays in shops nearby. Here in Ireland where I am now living for instance, it is just not possible. | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | Too bad people were given devices, but they do not actually help me. :/ | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | The proposal from Lazlo is the following; | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | 1) Ask for the people send the devices back honestly who did not do the job why they got the devices for. | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | 2) Distribute the devices among the people who actually did like me, but did not get into that program. | 21:32 |
| ivgalvez | Just for clarity: The Qt5 program was an seeding activity organized solely by Nokia | 21:33 |
| ivgalvez | Neither the Maemo Council, or any other member of this community has any responsability in the decisions taken by Nokia for this activity | 21:34 |
| Woody14619a | In that reguard, any issues with awards for that contest should be addressed by those in charge of that contest. While QT5 is great, it has never been the focal point of the community. In my opinion, he's fine to call for it, and ask those involved to return devices. But I see no need for Council to be involved. | 21:35 |
| ivgalvez | This Council doesn't have any means to force Nokia or any of the contriibutors to withdraw the results of that activity | 21:35 |
| ivgalvez | Even if we sympatize with his opinion | 21:36 |
| nieldk | allthough, being the spokesnoran for the community, I understand his concerns, and why it was adressed to us. Still, I have to agree with Woody | 21:36 |
| nieldk | yes | 21:36 |
| ivgalvez | both Qt5 program and New applications at OVI where only responsibility of Nokia | 21:37 |
| ivgalvez | so there is nothing we can do | 21:37 |
| nieldk | I agree | 21:37 |
| ivgalvez | besides we have confirmation from Nokia that there are no more devices left at Nokia for any seeding activity | 21:38 |
| Woody14619a | I would encourage him to contact them via the forums (all had their names & email addresses published, as I recall). But Council was not and should not be involved in this. This is strictly a Nokia matter. | 21:38 |
| ivgalvez | apart from those reserved for Coding Competition | 21:38 |
| Woody14619a | Which will be going out shortly... | 21:38 |
| ivgalvez | I think we can now move to other topic | 21:38 |
| Woody14619a | k, topic 5: misc... | 21:38 |
| Woody14619a | any other items or topics? | 21:39 |
| ivgalvez | we have tons of infrastructure problems | 21:39 |
| ivgalvez | respository management not yet working for merlin1991 | 21:39 |
| ivgalvez | News page not showing news | 21:40 |
| ivgalvez | certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired | 21:40 |
| ivgalvez | ... | 21:40 |
| Woody14619a | those expired moths ago | 21:40 |
| ivgalvez | ah, and apps.formeego.org going down | 21:40 |
| Woody14619a | once this moves to our care, it's fixable. | 21:41 |
| Woody14619a | but untill then.... | 21:41 |
| ivgalvez | we are trapped | 21:41 |
| Woody14619a | I think the apps.formeego thing was planned, was it not? | 21:41 |
| ivgalvez | yes, but still it's sad | 21:41 |
| Woody14619a | last I knew that was to go dark in Aug. that it was still up at all was a grace. | 21:42 |
| Woody14619a | I did ask that it be archived, so there's a chance that happened & we can revive it as part of the new stuff. | 21:43 |
| ivgalvez | I'm leaving soon | 21:43 |
| Woody14619a | should probably ask for that domain as well when chatting w/ Nokia? | 21:43 |
| Woody14619a | I must go sson as well... I have been noticed as missing once already. :) | 21:44 |
| Woody14619a | anything else? | 21:44 |
| ivgalvez | we could also ask for meego.org | 21:44 |
| Woody14619a | exactly | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | meego.org was taken by a domain squatter | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 21:45 |
| ivgalvez | it's still online | 21:45 |
| Woody14619a | rather apps4meego.com | 21:45 |
| Woody14619a | anything else? | 21:46 |
| nieldk | no | 21:46 |
| Woody14619a | k. | 21:46 |
| Woody14619a | #end Maemo Council meeting | 21:46 |
| Woody14619a | thanks all... | 21:47 |
| ivgalvez | Stskeeps, how do you plan to distribute apps for Nemo? | 21:47 |
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| ivgalvez | or Mer, in general | 21:47 |
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| Stskeeps | mer doesn't have a common app story | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | nemo we've been using apps.formeego but not a lot | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | so it's Nemo, as a distribution who has to deal with that? | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | ok | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | understood | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | need to go now, but thanks for coming | 21:48 |
| ivgalvez | see you | 21:49 |
| ivgalvez | DocScrutinizer51, you have only five hours or so to answer... | 21:49 |
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| SD69 | bye everyone | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | *burp* let's hope I won't be too bored to find the relevant interface (mail, tmo URL, whatever) when I come come home | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dman, no URL or notification of PM anywhere | 22:37 |
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