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| Woody14619 | X-Fade: ping? | 17:31 |
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| X-Fade | Hi | 17:59 |
| X-Fade | javispedro, timoph, merlin1991, Woody14619: Ping ;) | 18:00 |
| Woody14619 | Here. :) | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | At least someone is awake :) | 18:01 |
| javispedro | hello | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | Hi javispedro, how are you? | 18:02 |
| javispedro | as stressed as usual, and you? :) | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | Lol, is it that bad? :) | 18:03 |
| javispedro | hah, no | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | So, maybe I should go first. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | I have been chasing a nasty problem this week where builds are running out of virtual memory. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | This seems to be caused by a bug in gcc, fixed in 4.6. | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | Only seems to show up when compiling complicated files when running on arm.. | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | In my case qemu failed to compile for fremantle. | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Same problem happens when building Qt5 for Harmattan. | 18:06 |
| Woody14619 | Pali had asked if it was possible to specify gcc versions in OBS. So I guess the answer is yes if >4.6, or if you have lots of VM? :) | 18:06 |
| Pali | Hi :) | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | Well, switching compilers might give all kinds of weird side effects. | 18:07 |
| Pali | will OBS support personal community repositories? | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | But it is possible. | 18:07 |
| javispedro | in diablo at least, switching from cs2005 to cs2007 caused all kinds of c++ breakage | 18:07 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, the good thing is that this problem might go a way when we do SB2 in OBS. | 18:08 |
| X-Fade | As we then crosscompile instead of running it on arm. | 18:08 |
| Pali | we have working thumb support on N900, but we need updated gcc (also with -mthumb flasg) for thumb binaries | 18:08 |
| javispedro | ("running it on arm" is the current obs approach) | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | Pali: You can override settings in your home project. | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well running it on qemu ;) | 18:09 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, when will be OBS ready for testing by community? | 18:11 |
| Estel_ | hello OBS team :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: So for the SB2 approach, I think I will just use the qemu compiled from SB :) | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Pali: Please, one topic at a time.. | 18:11 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: yes, hopefully no expected problems from that | 18:11 |
| Woody14619 | X-Fade, is that how stskeeps was doing his SB2 setup? | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | Woody14619: He borrowed binaries from other projects to bootstrap, yes. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | We can make it self hosting later, if we really want to. | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | But I see no benefits in that. | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | I have also spoken with the SB2 maintainer who helped Carsten out. | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | He told me that the "obs-rpm-install" and "obs-rpm-build" rulesets in SB2 were probably going to work for debian packaging too. | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | But not very optimal as perl would run on qemu. But he would be able to help out with tuning once we have it up and running. | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | The SB2 changes to OBS have not been packaged yet, so I will have to manually replace some modified OBS scripts etc. | 18:17 |
| X-Fade | But that is something I want to do this week. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | ok | 18:17 |
| javispedro | so, regarding sb2 itself | 18:18 |
| javispedro | the latest 2.2 version did not build succesfully under fremantle | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | 2.3 pre? | 18:18 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:18 |
| javispedro | 2.3 indeed, sorry. | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Hmm, not good. | 18:19 |
| javispedro | the problem is that the kernel headers shipped with the toolchain are obsolete | 18:19 |
| javispedro | I can hack around that though | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Ouch | 18:19 |
| javispedro | this produced the following packages: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/cobs/ | 18:19 |
| javispedro | but it also means you cannot really build them in a plain Fremantle SDK :( | 18:20 |
| javispedro | (it tries to use a few #defines in <fcntl.h> that did not exist until a later kernel version) | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | So we would need to ifdef that or so? | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | Custom patch at least? | 18:21 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:21 |
| javispedro | (or point to another kernel includes dir which is what I did to build it) | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | Ok, well I can take that up with the maintainer. Maybe he can just check for it upstream. | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | But for now we have something we could play with? | 18:22 |
| javispedro | well, if I ever find the time, I'll try Diablo too, so maybe save the list for later | 18:22 |
| javispedro | well | 18:22 |
| javispedro | there is http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/cobs/ | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | I can import that into a test project at least. | 18:23 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Binary import that is. | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | gentlemans, could You, kindly, list major roadblocks for COBS now, and - eventually - any expected drawback for Fremantle target? | 18:23 |
| Estel_ | kinda like status update, I would like to keep rest of Council and Community updated | 18:24 |
| javispedro | there is another problem, in that it calls tar with a parameter that seems to have been renamed somewhere in gnu tar history between fremantle and the current epoch :) | 18:24 |
| javispedro | I've not yet identified when it does that, but it seems to be easily patchable too (yet another fremantle specific patch..) | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: After this topic please ;) | 18:24 |
| * Estel_ nods | 18:25 | |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Or we can wrap tar with a shell script. | 18:25 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: basically, you can try it, but "problems might appear", if they do, I will try to replicate them in my VM | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Once I have imported them in an OBS project and have the right OBS build script in place, you can test it out locally with 'osc build' | 18:26 |
| javispedro | ok | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | Development and testing can be done locally then. (Or on the server if you want more horsepower) | 18:26 |
| javispedro | for the better | 18:27 |
| javispedro | so you can try that indeed, at least see if we get to the stage of sb2 running, that would be something already. | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | But it helps to just be able to chroot into the rootstrap and check out what is missing etc. | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | But we have the crosscompilers, sb2, qemu dynamically linked, so in theory we could start. | 18:28 |
| javispedro | exactly what I was thinking | 18:28 |
| javispedro | oh | 18:29 |
| javispedro | how are the crosscompilers distributed? | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so this week I'll have the build script upgraded and I will import the package into a bootstrap project. | 18:29 |
| javispedro | do we need to do the "cpio2rpm" thing? | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | Ah right, there is no deb for it right? | 18:29 |
| javispedro | there's no proper source package for it; the best thing we can hope for is to do something using dpkg-deb and the existing binary | 18:30 |
| javispedro | which is exactly the same stskeeps did, only using cpio2rpm ;P | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, well, use alien on the rpm :) | 18:30 |
| javispedro | meh, not a bad idea | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | It is just bootstrapping, doesn't have to be pretty. | 18:31 |
| javispedro | sadly, the biggest problem with this task is that the binary package is ~100MiB. Uploading it would take me ages, so if you can get something as simplest as possible working would be ideal | 18:31 |
| javispedro | ie I can't see why alien'ng stskeeps package wouldn't work | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well you can put it in your local cache. | 18:32 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: I mean uploading it for distributing it to you, for example :) | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Ah, right. | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | Well either script it or tell me how you did it :) | 18:33 |
| X-Fade | Or I can try to see what kind of frankendeb alien makes of it. | 18:33 |
| javispedro | well, ok | 18:34 |
| javispedro | I am not worried about the frankendeb | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | I hope the paths are ok. | 18:35 |
| javispedro | a cpio2rpm rpm is just files, no scripts; alien can't do a very bad job | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | But I agree, should be fine. | 18:35 |
| javispedro | what about the paths? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Install paths, they might need to be in specific locations. | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | But let's see when we get there. | 18:37 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: Any other problems you ran in to? | 18:37 |
| javispedro | well, the path is specified to sb2 | 18:39 |
| javispedro | I've until now always used the same path the toolchain is on SB1, aka /scratchbox/... | 18:39 |
| javispedro | no idea if problems will arise | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | Let's see when we get there. | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | Ok, let's move to Estel_'s question. | 18:40 |
| * Estel_ nods | 18:40 | |
| Estel_ | I'm all listening | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | Our current 'roadblocks' are basically this bootstrapping of the SB2 based approach. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | This is experimental and just needs time figuring out. | 18:41 |
| Estel_ | understood. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | The other issue is that we still need to link the maemo.org accounts to the maemo OBS. | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | OBS supports ldap for authentication, but we have no ldap yet :) | 18:42 |
| Estel_ | I assume that You're thinking about some kind of automation for this? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | So that is something which needs to be setup. Not that big of a deal, but a bit of work. | 18:42 |
| Estel_ | so, another time consuming, yet not critical blocking thing | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | We did the same thing for MeeGo, the scripts are there. So it is just work. | 18:43 |
| Woody14619 | X-Fade, that would be LDAP against existing garage users or base accounts or? | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | Other than that, the issues will be package based. | 18:43 |
| Estel_ | hm... and what about that perl running in qemu for Fremantle target? is only Fremantle affected? won't it, even with optimizations, cause a massive slowdown? | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | Woody14619: yeah, just export it from the db we have now and keep the ldap up to date. | 18:43 |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, any way of changing unresponding/inactive maintainers on OBS? or it isn't needed at all? | 18:44 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: Well, as you can see now with Harmattan builds, it takes a while for a root to be setup. | 18:44 |
| Estel_ | considering y thumbs up/3 thumbs down vote system... | 18:44 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: Please, one at a time ;) | 18:44 |
| Estel_ | ...is there anything that maintainer can do and others don*'t? | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | ok, sorry | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | Harmattan builds run completely on qemu, which is slow, but it works. | 18:45 |
| Estel_ | just stacked question, thought it will be easier for You to answer one by one from already written text :) | 18:45 |
| * Estel_ listens again | 18:45 | |
| X-Fade | The SB2 approach will, when everything is in place, be able to accelerate this. | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | More importantly, the SB2 approach will also do proper cross compiling, so larger packages will build much much faster. | 18:46 |
| Estel_ | sounds neat. | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | So the maintainer thing. | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | OBS has a much better ACL system and we can automate a lot of things. | 18:47 |
| Estel_ | OK... so, in fact, absent maintainer isn't needed for *anything* if someone want to replace him? nor actual replacement in obs database? | 18:49 |
| Woody14619 | X-Fade, I think Estel_'s question is more relating to promotion, which (from what I know) will still be handled by the old system, post builds. | 18:49 |
| Estel_ | i.e. any things possible only for "official" maintainer, as opposed to someone uploading code? | 18:50 |
| Estel_ | yea, that too | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it is now protected. | 18:50 |
| Estel_ | +, it will still be possible to upload code without maintainer's permission, resulting in actual builds? | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | Only maintainers of a package can push to Testing->stable. | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | You can do it in your home project though. | 18:50 |
| X-Fade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/users?package=omweather&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan%3AApps%3ATesting | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | This is an example. | 18:51 |
| Estel_ | understood. So ho we will deal with absent ones, re pushing to stable? | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | The Apps:Testing repo is maintained by the bot. The bot has set tanya and vlad as maintainers. | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | They can push apps, nobody else can. | 18:51 |
| Estel_ | ideal solution would be one that don't require bugging You everytime we need maintainer changed :) | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | Changing maintainers is a serious thing. | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | This needs to be discussed in public and we can then act on it. | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | ok, but to properly discuss it, we need to know what is actually achievable | 18:52 |
| X-Fade | I can give a council member rights to add someone, or a dedicated person we appoint. | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | BTW, there was huge discussion about super-testers | 18:52 |
| Estel_ | yea | 18:52 |
| Woody14619 | X-fade, nice. So potentially we could even add a uniform set of ACL to allow one super-maintainer to only have push capabilities? | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | though about something like that | 18:53 |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, as I understand it, creating super-testers - with ability to pushc packages into stable - isn't possible now, as it require almost-manual edits, yes? | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Woody14619: We can come up with all kinds of things, it is a lot easier now at least. | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: I'd separate testers from maintainers. | 18:54 |
| Estel_ | it's good, so, we can have dedicated person to grant maintainership | 18:54 |
| Estel_ | sounds reasonable well | 18:54 |
| Estel_ | yea, also though about that | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | But in the Apps example, packages don't get stuck as much anymore. | 18:54 |
| * Estel_ nods | 18:54 | |
| X-Fade | As people can more easily review them in-app and get reminded. | 18:55 |
| Woody14619 | Estel_, I don't think we need maintainership, but push capabilities... we can discuss that off-line though. (outside of meeting) | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | But due to the scriptable rules engine that is behind it, we can come up with all kinds of checks and what not. | 18:55 |
| Woody14619 | Awesome. :) | 18:55 |
| Estel_ | Hm, overall, re current work, is there anything, that Council can help OBS team with? And I'm asking seriously, not just to sound kind ;) | 18:55 |
| X-Fade | This is just a policy thing which needs to be discussed, documented and then scripted :) | 18:56 |
| X-Fade | But please... KISS :) | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | yea. + think about some kind of "migration tutorial" for devs that are not experienced with obs | 18:56 |
| Woody14619 | :) | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | :) | 18:56 |
| javispedro | Btw, I'm leaving on the 13th this month for a few weeks (business, not holiday :(), I'll have to skip the 18th and 25th meetings | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | ...as they may be scarred at beginning | 18:56 |
| Estel_ | the later can be done by community | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | Sure, that is just pure wiki material. | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | javispedro, good luck on Your business trip! | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Ok, well work happens :) | 18:57 |
| javispedro | (it is one of the reasons I'm buried under paperwork these days, hopefully, after this month I will be more free and might be more useful to this project...) | 18:57 |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, btw, just to clarify missunderstanding... I remember, when OBS thing started, there was discussion on ML about workers (as machines) | 18:58 |
| Woody14619 | Most developers will be fine with hopping to OBS. From the testing done so far, most projects just build, yes? | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | Btw, there is also a bot which notifies on new uploads and promotions of packages on irc :) | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | it was proposed to use Fremantle ones, + few unused | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | But it is currently banned from the channel, so no notifications for you :) | 18:58 |
| Woody14619 | javispedro: You've been a huge help with all this. If that's you burried in paperwork, I'm scared to see what you can do when not. ;) | 18:58 |
| Estel_ | now, I hear that Maemo is going to have only one worker. Have they been cut down, or more than 1 is just unnecessary? | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | Woody14619: Well, for instance: http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/list/javispedro/ | 18:59 |
| Estel_ | ...and what's about Mer maintainers, do You (looks at javispedro) have more than one, if appsformeego shut down? maybe some fundraising is needed, for mutual profit? | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: One worker? | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | quoting Woody14619, I was 10 min late | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | I don't know where that came from. | 19:00 |
| Estel_ | so take it with grain of salt, it's like plaing "dumb phone" | 19:00 |
| X-Fade | But we have 5 dual xeon 64GB machines for this. | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | aye, that's why I called it missunderstanding | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | OK. | 19:01 |
| Estel_ | and that ones are not to be removed with appsformeego shutting down, yep? | 19:01 |
| X-Fade | THis is on the maemo side. | 19:01 |
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| X-Fade | Whatever happens on the MeeGo side, I don't know. | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | OK | 19:02 |
| Woody14619 | Ah.. my bad. I thought intially we only have one box dedicated to this for testing for now. | 19:02 |
| javispedro | ty | 19:02 |
| javispedro | so, answering Estel_ question, yes, more people =) | 19:02 |
| javispedro | *Estel's "anything the Council can help with" question | 19:02 |
| X-Fade | Apps will just move to the maemo.org infra, maybe renamed we need to talk about that at a later point. | 19:02 |
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| Estel_ | javispedro, if You're interested, we can talk later about fundrising in both Mer and ZMaemo communities, in case of machines missing | 19:02 |
| Estel_ | but it seems, that they're enough? | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | I had only one box setup a few weeks ago. | 19:03 |
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| X-Fade | Now I have 4 of them. | 19:03 |
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| Woody14619 | I know Mer is doing organizing around fundraising for doing their own OBS cluser, and forming a NFP? That's from a few weeks ago though. | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is still something that is ongoing. | 19:03 |
| * Woody14619 nods, right.. old info. | 19:03 | |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, so we're heading to last few questions for today, if You could spare few more minutes :) | 19:03 |
| X-Fade | But at least we don't need to be blocked by that. | 19:03 |
| javispedro | Estel_: well, I prefer to avoid political stuff atm | 19:03 |
| Estel_ | javispedro, fundirising = political?! | 19:04 |
| Woody14619 | Estel_ money always = political. | 19:04 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: Few minutes yes, getting hunry. | 19:04 |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, simple thing I hope - could You add new Council's names to markers on bugzilla | 19:04 |
| Estel_ | or actually other way around | 19:04 |
| Estel_ | (markers to names) | 19:04 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: I have no idea :) | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | and if yes do You have necessary info and if not what we need to provide :) | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | well, former Councilors pointed that You were doing it :D | 19:05 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: andre might know, he always did things like that. | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | andrep which Andree? Klapper? | 19:05 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: Ah, you are talking about IRC cloaks? | 19:05 |
| Estel_ | no, irc cloakds is different thing | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | I mean markers in bugzilla | 19:06 |
| X-Fade | I have not every seen that for a council member? | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | irc cloaks were covered in Your discussion with Woody14619, yes? | 19:06 |
| Woody14619 | yes | 19:06 |
| Estel_ | hm, Jaffa definitely have one, even though he is not Councilor for ages - also, he mentioned it at first place | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | kinda Maemo signs or whatsnot | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | Nokia employes have one for them | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | nothing special or very important | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | just it makes it easier for people to know that comment is made by someone who actually got source info and such things | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | and AFAIK it's already in place | 19:07 |
| X-Fade | Ah, yeah, that is something which points to the organisation. I have no idea how that is set :) | 19:07 |
| Estel_ | I see. Whom to ask, again? | 19:08 |
| X-Fade | Moment, let me see what my powers in bugzilla allow me to do :) | 19:08 |
| X-Fade | Look :) | 19:11 |
| Estel_ | where? :) | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | In a bug you replied in :) | 19:12 |
| Estel_ | ah | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | So yes, I can set that. | 19:12 |
| Estel_ | thanks a lot. Could You do same for other Couincilors? | 19:12 |
| X-Fade | Let's add all things regarding cloaks and this in either a bug or a mail? | 19:13 |
| Woody14619 | K... before we do that. :) Is there any more OBS related stuff? | 19:13 |
| X-Fade | So I don't forget to do that tomorrow. | 19:13 |
| Estel_ | they can send You their names. BTW, what is Your preffered way of communication, when You're not pingable @ IRC? | 19:13 |
| Estel_ | X-Fade, no problem. Mail? | 19:13 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: Just send me an email. | 19:13 |
| Woody14619 | I'll be mailing you with the info for IRC stuff later today X-fade and will includ that. | 19:13 |
| Estel_ | ok | 19:13 |
| Estel_ | 2nd question, quite important. I would like to take some dust from IRC management re chanops- most of them are inactive, or barely active, and lately, we have some bots (or idiots) spamming bitcoin-making short links | 19:13 |
| Estel_ | also, few Councilors ensured that they're available 24/7 through irc bouncers | 19:14 |
| X-Fade | I'm founder for #maemo channel, I can add people there. | 19:14 |
| X-Fade | Or remove. | 19:14 |
| Estel_ | and, we havde some problems with one chanop that is treating #maemo ,channel like own property, not very collaborative | 19:14 |
| Estel_ | ok, nothing critical for now | 19:15 |
| Estel_ | he is good chanop otherwise, and we don't need conflicts, but it would be good to add at least 2 more chanops | 19:15 |
| X-Fade | Ok, let's wrap up for now then? | 19:15 |
| Estel_ | I'm available most of the time there, so I shamelessly propose myself, will ask others about who would like to take such unthankful role | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | yea | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | that was last question | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | so, summarize it in mail? | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | Thanks very much for Your detailed answers and patience :) | 19:16 |
| X-Fade | Sure, if you need anything done, just send me a mail :) | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | OK! | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | the one in bugzilla? | 19:16 |
| Woody14619 | I'm good. Off to nuke lunch. Have nothing more meeting wise, but to thank everyone involved for the info & help. | 19:16 |
| X-Fade | Now I will get very grumpy if I don't get something to eat :) | 19:16 |
| Estel_ | i.e. same one? | 19:16 |
| X-Fade | So I might ban you all :D | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | yea, thanks a lot. And bon apetit | 19:17 |
| X-Fade | Estel_: niels at maemo is fine. | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | ;) | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | OK | 19:17 |
| X-Fade | Talk to you later! | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | see ya! | 19:17 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Thanks for your input :) | 19:17 |
| Estel_ | and again have nice trip javispedro | 19:17 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: ty for the work too | 19:18 |
| javispedro | Estel_: thanks | 19:18 |
| Woody14619 | Post thought.. are these meetings being minuted and put somewhere? If not is there a desire to? | 19:18 |
| javispedro | usually here, http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_OBS, but without any formal process | 19:19 |
| javispedro | they are being logged at least. | 19:19 |
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| Woody14619 | K.. I may summarize and post minutes there then. :) I'm doing that for council meetings atm, and figure it will bring just that much more transparency to it. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | thanks | 19:22 |
| javispedro | yes, that was the idea of the wiki page | 19:22 |
| Woody14619 | k, one more post-lunch taks. :) | 19:23 |
| Woody14619 | *task | 19:23 |
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| Pali | X-Fade, can you look if you can move kernel-power-settings package from extras-testing to extras? http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power-settings/ | 19:33 |
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| Estel_ | Pali, no worries, I'll summarize kit in e-mail to him | 19:42 |
| Pali | Estel_, ok | 19:43 |
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