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| SD69 | hello | 16:59 |
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| X-Fade | hi | 17:00 |
| SD69 | I think we are the only two on so far | 17:01 |
| X-Fade | hmmm. | 17:04 |
| SD69 | well, Matti Arias was the only one who confirmed | 17:05 |
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| X-Fade | pinged him ;) | 17:06 |
| mairas | oops | 17:06 |
| mairas | I thought the meeting was in an hour - sorry about that | 17:06 |
| SD69 | no problem | 17:07 |
| SD69 | X-Fade and I are just chilling | 17:07 |
| mairas | but this time is actually much better for me - don't have to hang around at work so late :-) | 17:07 |
| SD69 | earlier is better for me too | 17:08 |
| SD69 | I guess we should start and not wait for the others? | 17:09 |
| SD69 | any more... | 17:09 |
| mairas | um | 17:10 |
| mairas | checked the mails - wasn't it supposed to be 15:00 UTC? | 17:11 |
| mairas | that is, in one hour | 17:11 |
| SD69 | perhaps you're right | 17:14 |
| SD69 | X-Fade: ? | 17:15 |
| SD69 | should we reconvene in an hour? | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Now is fine for me. Although I need to keep an eye on the meego-meeting too :) | 17:15 |
| SD69 | there is a conflict? | 17:16 |
| X-Fade | Community office meeting. | 17:17 |
| SD69 | ahh | 17:17 |
| mairas | either time works fine for me but assuming we were missing people, the wrong time would at least be a good explanation :-) | 17:17 |
| SD69 | yes, Texrat would likely be at the MeeGo community meeting | 17:18 |
| SD69 | I guess we'll reconvene here in . . . 40 minutes | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | I'll hang around. | 17:21 |
| SD69 | X-Fade: won't there be a community apps discussion at #meego-meeting? | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | I suspect there will be something. But I intend to keep it short :) | 17:23 |
| SD69 | hehe | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so that was fun :) | 17:59 |
| mairas | appreciate the cozy atmosphere... | 18:00 |
| mairas | meeting? | 18:02 |
| SD69 | hello again | 18:02 |
| SD69 | should we start? | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Sure | 18:05 |
| mairas | yes! | 18:06 |
| SD69 | matti: are you aware of the governance discussions at maemo.org? | 18:07 |
| mairas | SD69: no :-o | 18:08 |
| mairas | sorry, I haven't kept close eye on them | 18:08 |
| SD69 | we are considering changing the role of council | 18:08 |
| SD69 | to organize activity better in present circumstances | 18:09 |
| mairas | ok - interesting | 18:10 |
| SD69 | with more defined structure | 18:10 |
| mairas | where did the discussion take place? I could have a quite recap... | 18:10 |
| SD69 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74790 | 18:11 |
| mairas | thanks | 18:11 |
| SD69 | if you want to read - unfortunately, there's a lot of noise in it | 18:11 |
| SD69 | something like the Fedora Project or Python Foundation is being considered... | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | I guess you would need to estimate the amount of people surrounding the project in X amount of time. | 18:12 |
| mairas | SD69, are you planning to have an actual legal entity for it? | 18:13 |
| SD69 | mairas: yes, subject to community vote next month | 18:14 |
| SD69 | X-Fade: project will probably be narrower in scope than it is now | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | I think you will see a very very steep dropoff soon. | 18:15 |
| SD69 | for continuation and migration to other devices | 18:15 |
| SD69 | yes, we will probably limit ourselves to CSSU and Cordia | 18:15 |
| SD69 | at same time, have a mission statement broad enough that we can work with formeego folks if they choose | 18:16 |
| SD69 | I doubt we will be "Maemo Foundation" | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | Hmm yeah, it can be useful. But it can also be a lot of work, for nothing :) | 18:18 |
| mairas | SD69: what are the objectives of the restructuring? | 18:18 |
| SD69 | mostly to provide focus and mission | 18:19 |
| SD69 | right now, maemo.org activities are hardly organized | 18:19 |
| mairas | ok | 18:19 |
| SD69 | but also to provide a legal structure for maemo/meego open source | 18:20 |
| SD69 | we may possibly ask for transfer/lease of maemo.org domain name | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | Looked into joining something like SPI or so? | 18:21 |
| SD69 | what is SPI? | 18:22 |
| mairas | SD69: there might be practical issues preventing the transfer of the domain. | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | http://www.spi-inc.org/ | 18:22 |
| mairas | some subdomains are heavily used for Nokia internal development still. | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | The domain will probably never be transferred. As Nokia owns the trademark. | 18:23 |
| mairas | that can of course be requested | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | I'd forget about that. | 18:24 |
| mairas | but it could prove difficult | 18:24 |
| SD69 | perhaps a sub-domain then | 18:24 |
| mairas | not that I have much say about it :-) | 18:24 |
| SD69 | we just want a contract and not be cut off | 18:24 |
| X-Fade | In reality, the servers will stay on until 31-12-2012. | 18:25 |
| mairas | I believe a use contract would be probably more realistic | 18:25 |
| SD69 | marias: understood - I am just giving you a heads up | 18:25 |
| mairas | sure, thanks for that :-) | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | After that a redirect is about the best you can bet on. | 18:25 |
| SD69 | servers are Nokia or Nemein? | 18:26 |
| mairas | X-Fade: I'm not sure it's that bad | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | If you want to create a non profit or join one, I'd suggest to come up with a different name. | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | mairas: I'm pretty sure everybody is gone by then inside Nokia. | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | SD69: Neither. | 18:26 |
| X-Fade | SD69: Nokia has a contract with Logica, the ISP. | 18:27 |
| SD69 | virtual? | 18:27 |
| mairas | I mean, if the community finds new hosting after that, then maemo.org can be set to point to the new location | 18:27 |
| mairas | X-Fade: very true :-) | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | SD69: And you really don't want to own those. | 18:27 |
| SD69 | not on our (budget)! | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | Exactly :) | 18:28 |
| SD69 | but we continue with smaller contract with Nemein for Midgard CMS? | 18:28 |
| X-Fade | SD69: Everything will stay the same until end of 2012. | 18:28 |
| mairas | I don't think the amount of traffic will be that high in 2013 | 18:29 |
| X-Fade | SD69: That is guaranteed. But other than that... | 18:29 |
| SD69 | if we are still around in 2013, we will have to be lean and mean | 18:30 |
| X-Fade | Yes, so it would be good to have an idea of what you want it to be by then. | 18:31 |
| X-Fade | It is basically still 1.5 years. | 18:31 |
| SD69 | yes, a long ways away but we need to keep mindshare in the interim | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | Ok, so let's be practical about it. | 18:32 |
| SD69 | and I will try to work with the ex-maemo/formeego folks | 18:32 |
| X-Fade | What do you think you need from us? | 18:32 |
| SD69 | from Nemein, for the six months, can we adapt QA to smaller community? | 18:33 |
| SD69 | software is getting stuck because not enought people are voting | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | SD69: Lower the limits? | 18:34 |
| SD69 | and/or appoint a QA manager from maemo community | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | SD69: I need to talk with achipa as I want to see if I can give him rights to push packages. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | SD69: And test it out with him. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | The limits I can lower at any moment as those are just config changes. | 18:35 |
| X-Fade | Supertesters can also be given more say if needed? | 18:36 |
| SD69 | sure, do you have anyone to suggest? | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | How about I lower the voting to 6? Would that be a good number? | 18:38 |
| SD69 | works for me, but I will have to confirm with other council members and get back to you | 18:38 |
| X-Fade | Ok, well things like that are easy changes. So just let me know. | 18:39 |
| SD69 | good | 18:39 |
| SD69 | have you had any bandwidth problems from people scraping the site? | 18:40 |
| X-Fade | Nah, akamai can handle that just fine. | 18:40 |
| SD69 | good | 18:41 |
| SD69 | anything you want to raise from your side? | 18:41 |
| mairas | no, I'm cool | 18:41 |
| SD69 | ...on website | 18:41 |
| SD69 | marias: I may need help with talk.maemo.org | 18:42 |
| SD69 | it's a different contract | 18:42 |
| mairas | ok? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | Reggie is also contracted through Nemein. | 18:42 |
| SD69 | he said it was with Nokia - but it's a sub-contract through Nemein? | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | Yeah. | 18:44 |
| SD69 | is it feasible to continue t.m.o. on a reduced budget? | 18:45 |
| SD69 | lose Akamai, accept slower speeds, etc? | 18:45 |
| mairas | SD69: after 2012, you mean? | 18:45 |
| X-Fade | SD69: t.m.o. is one server, owned by reggie. | 18:45 |
| SD69 | I mean after 2012 | 18:46 |
| mairas | SD69: you shouldn't expect any financial support from Nokia after 2012 :-( | 18:46 |
| SD69 | yes - I am thinking of a reduced community budget | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | SD69: Expect none, really. | 18:47 |
| X-Fade | SD69: By that time we need to either come up with funding ourselves or shut thing down. | 18:48 |
| SD69 | X-Fade: exactly | 18:48 |
| mairas | again, the amount of traffic is likely to be quite low by then so it should be perfectly realistic for community to purchase the server bandwidth themselves | 18:48 |
| SD69 | Well, we just haven't yet received a pledge of support for post-2012 (w/in reason) from Reggie that we have gotten from Nemein | 18:50 |
| SD69 | I'd hate to lose the forum content if we transfer from Nokia to nfp | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | SD69: I don't think that will be a problem, but we'd neeed to discuss that with Reggie. | 18:52 |
| SD69 | thanks | 18:53 |
| mairas | should be just a matter of a DB dump, right? | 18:53 |
| X-Fade | Yeah. Should not be that big of a deal. | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | Ok, anything else or can we wrap up? | 18:56 |
| X-Fade | I need to go in a few mins. | 18:56 |
| SD69 | 1 thing: do you know if dneary is available to help with maemo.org election lists again? | 18:56 |
| SD69 | thanks for the link to SPI - I'll check them out | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | I don't know, but dneary hangs around on irc. | 18:57 |
| SD69 | I'll find him and ask him. | 18:57 |
| X-Fade | SD69: A lot of well known projects are in there. | 18:57 |
| SD69 | great meeting guys! | 18:58 |
| SD69 | thanks for all the info | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/ | 18:58 |
| mairas | thanks to you too! | 18:58 |
| X-Fade | Ok, thanks! Talk to you later. | 18:59 |
| gregoa | SD69: there's also the #spi channel on OFTC for questions, usually the board members etc. are reachable there | 18:59 |
| SD69 | I'll be in touch for next meeting date and time | 19:00 |
| SD69 | sorry for confusion | 19:00 |
| SD69 | bye | 19:00 |
| mairas | bye | 19:02 |
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