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| Oksanaa | Is Mugen alive? http://mugen.co/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html | 05:17 |
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| Oksanaa | Am I correct in saying that there are only three phones capable of running Maemo/Mer/MeeGo/Sailfish, having a camera and a hardware keyboard: Nokia N900, Nokia N950 and Jolla+TOHkeyboard ? | 05:43 |
| Oksanaa | Because Nokia N900 isn't quite compatible with Telstra network in Australia, and my cellular provider recommends switching to a different device. | 05:43 |
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| CatButts | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/348544204072288257/380981105232314368/screenshot00.png | 09:23 |
| CatButts | silly keepassx | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | change your theme to eat less button space | 09:25 |
| qaz | What package provides perl module File::Temp ? it was on my n900 before os reinstall. Seems something was removed from repos since then | 09:26 |
| CatButts | I'm using one of the default themes | 09:26 |
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| CatButts | which one do you suggest | 09:27 |
| CatButts | I'm also using an application to make fonts smaller | 09:28 |
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| CatButts | no wait, it's set on default | 09:28 |
| CatButts | Font Changer | 09:29 |
| brolin_empey | Oksanaa: I guess that the Neo900 meets your critera too? | 09:36 |
| brolin_empey | s/critera/criteria/ | 09:37 |
| infobot | brolin_empey meant: Oksanaa: I guess that the Neo900 meets your criteria too? | 09:37 |
| brolin_empey | s/// | 09:38 |
| brolin_empey | s/s// | 09:38 |
| infobot | brolin_empey meant: Okanaa: I guess that the Neo900 meets your critera too? | 09:38 |
| brolin_empey | s/ // | 09:38 |
| infobot | brolin_empey meant: Oksanaa:I guess that the Neo900 meets your critera too? | 09:38 |
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| CatButts | https://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 10:26 |
| CatButts | >ALWAYS TEST to ensure you have done it right BEFORE rebooting or you WILL end up with an unbootable system. | 10:26 |
| CatButts | so tempting, so scary | 10:27 |
| Maxdamantus | One of the reasons why you should set up an alternative boot sequence to get into a system where you can fix this sort of stuff. | 10:28 |
| CatButts | that, or playing scorched earth on fault :P | 10:31 |
| CatButts | so, about this alternate boot sequence... | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | there is always rescueos | 10:35 |
| Maxdamantus | That's the obvious one. | 10:36 |
| Maxdamantus | I don't use the ubifs on NAND for the normal OS, so I basically use that as a pseudo-initramfs when booting normally, or to a shell using a 3.14 kernel. | 10:38 |
| CatButts | ~resqueos | 10:39 |
| CatButts | ~rescueos | 10:39 |
| infobot | hmm... rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 10:39 |
| brolin_empey | Is it feasible to run the OS from the internal SD card? Then you could easily access the OS installation from another computer by removing the SD card if the OS installation will not boot on the N900. | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | requires os scripts changes | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | because there are quite a few assumptions what happens with sdcard | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | ie. when back cover is removed | 10:41 |
| KotCzarny | or mounting partitions | 10:42 |
| Maxdamantus | The back cover issue requires a replacement of the mmc kernel module. | 10:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I think there is a version of keepass with the buttons changed to fit N900 better somewhere. | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | so while it is doable, expect gotchas | 10:42 |
| brolin_empey | Has anyone successfully used an N900 running an OS from the SD card, though? | 10:43 |
| Maxdamantus | The easier solution would be to just put something like rescueos on the SD card, so you can boot into that and fix things there. | 10:44 |
| Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: I'd imagine so. It's certainly possible. | 10:44 |
| CatButts | RescueOS has to be booted using a flasher tool? | 10:45 |
| Maxdamantus | brolin_empey: if you're familiar with tweaking/debugging the init mechanisms used on a Linux system, you should be able to figure it out. | 10:45 |
| brolin_empey | I see that some current models of x86-64 desktop motherboards have M.2 sockets, which is neat because then the (up to at least 6) integrated SATA ports can be saved for non-SSD devices such as HDDs and ODDs. | 10:45 |
| * Maxdamantus runs everything off eMMC .. would probably have been pretty much the same changes to make it work from SD. | 10:46 | |
| KotCzarny | cabutts: yes, but it's ram upload, also always works (assuming battery is ok) | 10:46 |
| CatButts | I'm familiar with Android rescue boots requiring one of the volume keys pressed | 10:46 |
| CatButts | during normal boot-up | 10:46 |
| Maxdamantus | (except for the mmc driver change, which would basically be required to prevent the system dying when taking the back cover off) | 10:46 |
| KotCzarny | if you preset uboot for menu boot you can have similar | 10:47 |
| * Maxdamantus already changed the mmc driver to not do that anyway. | 10:47 | |
| CatButts | >Uboot PR1.3. RISKY INSTALL | 10:50 |
| CatButts | >DO NOT USE THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. RISK OF REBOOT LOOPS! MAY EAT YOUR BRAIN. | 10:50 |
| CatButts | hehe | 10:50 |
| CatButts | well, if I break something, I can always rely on reflashing, right? | 10:51 |
| CatButts | what are the odds of a permanent brick? | 10:51 |
| Maxdamantus | Very low if you still have USB working. | 10:52 |
| Maxdamantus | You can pretty much always reflash using USB, unless you overwrite NOLO, dunno how to do that. | 10:54 |
| CatButts | ~NOLO | 10:54 |
| infobot | rumour has it, nolo is NOkia bootLOader, Nokia's version of uboot-alike first (actually 2nd) stage bootloader for NIT like N900, or somebody said it was a nasty character in Norwegian languange | 10:54 |
| CatButts | first or 2nd | 10:58 |
| CatButts | almond wine or cyanide :P | 10:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | both | 11:00 |
| CatButts | so what does installing uboot mean for ability to flash phone again? | 11:01 |
| Maxdamantus | You can still flash it. | 11:01 |
| CatButts | ah, so no worries there | 11:01 |
| Maxdamantus | but one advantage is that you probably don't need to. | 11:01 |
| KotCzarny | #absinthe | 11:02 |
| Maxdamantus | Since you can just store multiple kernels on eMMC or SD and boot from one of those. | 11:02 |
| CatButts | Probably would help being familiar with Linux more | 11:13 |
| CatButts | I am a windows user | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | yes. n900 is all about linux | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | n00bs go to android | 11:14 |
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| CatButts | I've had an Xperia E | 11:18 |
| CatButts | didn't stick too long | 11:19 |
| CatButts | I don't like android very much | 11:19 |
| CatButts | particularely the UI design the capacitive touchscreen imposes | 11:19 |
| CatButts | no stylus smaller than a meat sausage! | 11:20 |
| CatButts | also, keyboards/keypads are a minority | 11:22 |
| * CatButts mumbles something about Steve Jobs rolling in his grave | 11:25 | |
| CatButts | "We already have 10 stylii, we don't need to invent another one." | 11:28 |
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| brolin_empey | “<KotCzarny> n00bs go to android” Or to Apple iOS. | 12:12 |
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| __axon__ | hello everyone, I have a used n900. What is the most uptodate instructions to bring it as uptodate as possible? Which libraries are still online? | 12:35 |
| CatButts | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 12:39 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 12:41 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 12:41 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 12:41 |
| KotCzarny | those two pieces | 12:42 |
| __axon__ | CatButts, KotCzarny, I'll try and let you know what happend! Thanks a lot! | 12:45 |
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| CatButts | __axon__ | 12:49 |
| CatButts | http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/ | 12:49 |
| CatButts | also this | 12:49 |
| CatButts | the articles still have a lot of dead links to nokia site | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | flasher script from infobot has all working links | 12:50 |
| KotCzarny | and is preferred | 12:51 |
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| __axon__ | one other question, does anyone of you guys prefer an more uptodate device ... or has insider informations about neo900? | 12:57 |
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| CatButts | neo900's pricetag scares me :P | 12:57 |
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| KotCzarny | for neo900 info go to #neo900 | 12:58 |
| CatButts | actually, disregard my previous statement, as it's based on an outdated memory | 13:01 |
| CatButts | ~symbian | 13:09 |
| __axon__ | CatButts, KotCzarny, Thank you guys! everthing worked like charme out of the box! may I ask: do you have a list of applications, that are super useful? | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | what uses are you looking for? | 13:38 |
| __axon__ | Or do you have a python2.7 version? | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | python should be available i think | 13:38 |
| KotCzarny | install any pygtk app and see | 13:39 |
| CatButts | get sheepdrawing :P | 13:39 |
| __axon__ | with apt-cache search I get only 2.5 | 13:39 |
| __axon__ | not 2.7 | 13:39 |
| __axon__ | And is it worth to install any camera apps? are they really better? | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | some say yes | 13:40 |
| __axon__ | Is there a good calendar app? | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | oksana is the best local camera freak | 13:40 |
| __axon__ | Is there a good method to enable swap? Or will I never use it in your experience? | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | memory is low | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | so yes, might be good in some uses, but better to clear the device a bit | 13:41 |
| KotCzarny | remember some apps are preloaded even if you dont use them | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | i personally just disable the preloading (ie. email app) | 13:42 |
| __axon__ | how do you do that? | 13:43 |
| __axon__ | is it somewhere in the menu? | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | by disabling preloading line in /usr/applications/hildon/ or something | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | dont remember exact path | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | so i guess first things you should install is rootsh and ssh server | 13:45 |
| CatButts | What sound API would I use for a quick-n-dirty CLI sound test on the N900? | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | aplay ? | 13:50 |
| KotCzarny | mplayer works too | 13:50 |
| CatButts | aplay is CLI tool and not sound API? | 13:51 |
| CatButts | realtime audio | 13:51 |
| CatButts | like playing a programatically generated sine, for starters | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | system is hostage of evilaudio | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | if you ask about that | 13:52 |
| bencoh | paplay, since maemo uses pulse | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | you can disable it, but then never use device speakers with raw alsa | 13:52 |
| bencoh | oh, and ... the pulse API then | 13:52 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, evilaudio provides alsa emulation socket too i think | 13:52 |
| bencoh | yes, there is a alsa->pulse emulation layer | 13:53 |
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| CatButts | I should probably take the SDL path | 13:53 |
| CatButts | I installed EdiCom editor and ran its gcc install scripts, but I feel I might regret it :P | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | you will | 13:55 |
| KotCzarny | you can have fun with gcc on device, but dont go apt way | 13:56 |
| KotCzarny | rootfs space is precious and scarce | 13:56 |
| CatButts | looking at edicom.sh, it does apt-get | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they have prepared som optified package | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | but be warned | 13:58 |
| CatButts | apt-get install | 13:58 |
| KotCzarny | once you get rootfs full its close to bootloop | 13:58 |
| CatButts | gcc, libc6-dev, linux-kernel-headers, libgcc1, gdb | 13:58 |
| CatButts | doesn't N900 have 32gb internal? | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but rootfs is on nand | 13:59 |
| CatButts | oh | 13:59 |
| KotCzarny | there is 2gb for user data in emmc, rest is vfat in mydocs | 13:59 |
| CatButts | 1.22gb available | 14:01 |
| CatButts | vfat does not allow executables to be executed, right? | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | usually | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | and generally breaks permissions | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | and file naming | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | best way could be sdcard formatted to ext3/4 and using build tools there | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | or even debian chroot | 14:03 |
| CatButts | vfat is not formatable, yes? | 14:03 |
| KotCzarny | i have a scratchbox chroot that fits in ~300MB initially | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | yup, dont mess with predefined partitions | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | hardcoded stuff in plenty of places | 14:04 |
| KotCzarny | unless you are willing to learn | 14:04 |
| bencoh | CatButts: you can repartition eMMC with a larger /home though | 14:05 |
| bencoh | there is a wiki page about that iirc | 14:05 |
| bencoh | (or maybe even a script) | 14:05 |
| pkill9 | do most people here use maemo on their n900 or load an alternate distribution? | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | i run maemo | 14:08 |
| KotCzarny | with cssu thumb | 14:08 |
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| KotCzarny | and some hacks for more memory | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell __axon__ about jrtools | 14:08 |
| CatButts | what advantages does thumb have besides saving space | 14:10 |
| CatButts | ~chroot | 14:13 |
| infobot | [chroot] a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | saving space == saving memory | 14:14 |
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| CatButts | power-kernel can coexist with uboot, yes? | 14:32 |
| sicelo | 13:40 < __axon__> Is there a good calendar app? << qalendar | 14:34 |
| sicelo | CatButts: yes | 14:34 |
| Vajb | default calendar is good enough :) | 14:35 |
| Vajb | off topic: i find it odd that windows calendar can't show weeks | 14:35 |
| sicelo | Vajb: qalendar is a FOSS remake of the stock calendar with nice extras | 14:37 |
| Vajb | i see. It does not seem to be in repo's. | 14:40 |
| sicelo | probably in devel repo then | 14:41 |
| sicelo | has recurring events for example | 14:41 |
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| pkill9 | where can i browse devel repo? | 14:59 |
| KotCzarny | what devel repo/ | 15:00 |
| pkill9 | does anyone develop applications for maemo? | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | yes, you use scratchbox for that | 15:00 |
| KotCzarny | ~sb | 15:00 |
| infobot | i heard scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 15:00 |
| pkill9 | thanks, is Qt5 on maemo? | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | best way would be using google and talk.maemo.org forum | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | plenty of useful information | 15:02 |
| pkill9 | it's difficult to know if what i'm looking at is out of date | 15:02 |
| KotCzarny | tmo is not out of date | 15:02 |
| pkill9 | like, does this show the latest packages people have posted http://maemo.org/packages/ | 15:03 |
| pkill9 | tmo? | 15:03 |
| pkill9 | oh talk.maemo.org | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | talk.maemo.org | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | as for the link, yes | 15:03 |
| pkill9 | is it possible to install qt5 on maemo? | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | it seems you are new, so quick hint: extras* is user submitted repo | 15:03 |
| KotCzarny | extras-testing is meant for testers (dysfunctional now), and extras-devel is wild west | 15:04 |
| sicelo | qt5 - no. | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | ie. untested packages live here which might result in need of reflash | 15:04 |
| pkill9 | why is it not possible to install qt5 on maemo? | 15:06 |
| KotCzarny | who said that? i;ve just said i dont know the status | 15:07 |
| pkill9 | sicelo said no | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 15:07 |
| KotCzarny | missed that | 15:08 |
| sicelo | i believe it has been tried .. but there are huge differences | 15:09 |
| sicelo | so it turned out impractical | 15:10 |
| sicelo | what you want qt5 form | 15:11 |
| sicelo | *for? | 15:11 |
| sicelo | (i'm talking about Maemo by the way, not alternative OSes) | 15:12 |
| pkill9 | qutebrowser with webkit | 15:12 |
| pkill9 | i tested it on archlinux arm on n900, it's somewhat laggy but pretty nice to have full javascript support | 15:12 |
| pkill9 | and qutebrowser is a great browser | 15:13 |
| sicelo | even qt4 is very imperfectly supported on N900, afaik | 15:13 |
| CatButts | then we can run drawpile server on the n900! | 15:14 |
| sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84782 | 15:15 |
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| sicelo | /cleanup | 19:08 |
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| CatButts | I'm lazy and won't write code | 20:08 |
| CatButts | someone roll me over the keyboard | 20:08 |
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