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| DocScrutinizer05 | u..huh | 10:02 |
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| Vajb | does https secure connection from point to point? | 10:24 |
| KotCzarny | as long there is no main-in-the-middle, yes | 10:25 |
| Vajb | so it is possible to intervene? | 10:25 |
| KotCzarny | define 'intervene' | 10:26 |
| Vajb | i mean is it always point to point or man in the middle could happen without user knowing about it? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | i think if they manage to plant cert on your computer, then yes | 10:27 |
| Vajb | we discussed about internet protocols today and somehow i recall reading that https is not as secure as it claims to be | 10:27 |
| Vajb | maybe i mixed it up with something else | 10:28 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/10/how-secure-https-today | 10:28 |
| Vajb | i recaaled https being secure between ur computer and ur isp and from isp to service u r using it is pretty much up to r isp to keep it secure or not | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | 2011, i bet there are more ways to sneak around | 10:29 |
| Vajb | im not planning to sneak into anything, but to confirm if im recalling things correctly :) | 10:29 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: remember that keys can be stolen, and there were cases of that already | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | anyone who has the key, can decrypt and encrypt data using it | 10:34 |
| KotCzarny | and impersonate the key owner | 10:35 |
| Vajb | sure, but i was thinking more of it being broken by design | 10:35 |
| Vajb | but it seems i mixed up somethings, probably | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | in that sense it is point-to-point | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | server encrypts, client decrypts | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | as long you dont accept suspicious certs (or keys not being compromised) you are safe | 10:36 |
| Vajb | so if any three letter acronym had access to some mainknots of internet, connection would still be secure? | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | rephrase the question | 10:37 |
| Vajb | can't recall the correct term it seems | 10:38 |
| Vajb | but like u connect to ur isp | 10:38 |
| Vajb | ur isp connects to something else | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | another issue is crypto function, if it's bad (easy to crack) | 10:38 |
| Vajb | and that something else connects to something even broader link over network | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | vajb: your client should throw the warning in the case key not matching | 10:39 |
| Vajb | i see | 10:39 |
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| KotCzarny | that's why you should usually inspect cert data (or site owner information) | 10:39 |
| Vajb | yes, my friend found a webpage which had very cheap laptops and page was only five days old and proved to be hoax in further investigation | 10:41 |
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| parazyd | anyone experienced "Card did not respond to voltage select" in u-boot when doing sdboot? | 16:08 |
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| blap | not i | 17:13 |
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| Vajb | nor me | 18:00 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: i thought about this https and i guess i mixed point to point and end to end. At least this is most likely. | 18:01 |
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| Vajb | is it possible to disable and enable vibration via alarmed? Over ruling all other settings. | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: sounds like an SDcard issue | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: isn't there more? | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aa wait, uBoot so no syslog, a pity | 20:46 |
| parazyd | no it just drops that line a bunch of times and then puts me back on the prompt | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tried another Sd card? | 20:46 |
| parazyd | but this entire phone might be dying though | 20:46 |
| parazyd | it's failing to charge sometimes and that... | 20:47 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: i haven't had time, but i intend to | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you need a new devel device, eh? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do you? | 20:48 |
| parazyd | not really | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | k, toss over the dd image when I shall help with testing on another device | 20:49 |
| parazyd | sure | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though short on time really | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a short dd and SD swap can get done | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | wasnt that error with mainline and sd common? | 20:50 |
| KotCzarny | but dont remember what was the trick | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | was it? | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | my photographic memory says yes, but it can be wrong | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: to the rescue! | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ^^^ | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for issues with uBoot ask the uBoot expert -> Pali ;-) | 20:52 |
| Pali | "Card did not respond to voltage select"? | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that sounds strangely scary, regarding bus factor | 20:53 |
| Pali | make sure you have correct version of uboot | 20:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: could you please clone yourself? ;-P | 20:53 |
| Pali | if it still happen, turn phone off, remove battery and insert again | 20:53 |
| Pali | it is some strange thing with NOLO | 20:54 |
| Pali | also make sure that battery is charged | 20:54 |
| Pali | NOLO sometimes do nasty things when battery is low/empty | 20:54 |
| Pali | and does not initialize all needed HW correctly (maybe powersafe mode?) | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 20:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 911 & charging topmost prio | 20:54 |
| Pali | I saw this problem when I rebooted from mainline kernel to uboot | 20:54 |
| Pali | power off/on or reboot via nolo basically helped | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we need to solve this for Neo900 | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if one thing won't be portable then that's NOLO | 20:56 |
| Pali | proper uboot hw init | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everything else I still think will work OOTB | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe suboptimal but works | 20:57 |
| Pali | I have not figured out whole HW init from linux kernel | 20:58 |
| Pali | so sometimes when nolo does not init everything, uboot does not have to work | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody should RE NOLO | 20:58 |
| Pali | not needed, whole init code is also in kernel | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just lazy RE, like "aah this is clock init, we already coevered that. So skip that, next one please" | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only analyze in deep when there's something strange or unexepected | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, could we place a regular kernel into e.g. initrd NAND partition and use that instead of uBoot for init and loading the real kernel? | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should check what Werner almesberger did for Openmoko Qi bootloader | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he hated the idea to duplicate init from kernel in bootloader | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus we got Qi-bootloader | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he dispised uBoot as "yet another OS" | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi | 21:05 |
| KotCzarny | uboot is quite important because it allows more than just linux | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like electricity | 21:16 |
| blap | you are all registered as info-terrorists | 21:24 |
| blap | so maximise your potential | 21:25 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | DocScrutinizer05: ^^ | 22:41 |
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| buZz | i tried, but i have no chanserv access | 22:41 |
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| bencoh | blap: please, dont do that kind of stuff here | 22:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | ty | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: you might ask generalantilles/ryan-abel to transfer GC to me, to allow me improve chanop situation in here | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | nah | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | that wouldnt be wise | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: alternatively, if you can't rwch him at all (which is the root problem) yoiu may send a email from maemo.org to freenode about same issue to trabsfer GC to me | 22:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I assumed you where about as active an hour ago but I have no idea who other ops are | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reach* | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody basically | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | sixwheeledbeast: /msg chanserv flags #maemo | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | oh | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well nobody active anyway | 22:48 |
| KotCzarny | cant even see | 22:48 |
| sixwheeledbeast | GC has been an issue for maybe 5 years now | 22:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ? | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since migration it been generalantilles but he's MIA | 22:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | maybe I am thinking of pre-migration then | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pre.mifg was x-fade | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pre-mig* | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nemein | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia's sysops | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw GenearlAntilles is actually online | 22:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I recall x-fade then | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's looong afo | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ago even | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway a job for council to fix: transfer GC to somebody who's going to stay around and active | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB that's NOT any of council members since those may vanish after 5 months | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so either warfare, other techstaff, or me | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or MC eV somebody who's not going to leave. No idea if there's such lifetime position in MC | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not mind taking up on the duty and hand it on to somebody else _before_ I leave if that would ever happen | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yes GA was HF which made sense at the time. | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike MC, HF was permamnent entity | 23:00 |
| sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: what is GC? sorry i am yet to read backscroll properly | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Broup contact | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Group Contact | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://freenode.net/groupreg | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the namespace is registered and GeneralAntilles is maemo namespace Group Contact, responsible for cloaks etc, and also for fixing issues like the lack of chanops in here | 23:03 |
| sicelo | okay. i understand it. | 23:03 |
| sicelo | i'll bring it to the attention of the others :-) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council sending an email from council@maemo.org to the freenode address in ^^^ with "please assign maemo Group Contact primary to $useraccount, $email" will do | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you just ping generalantilles and ask him to do it via IRC, which would be waaaay faster given you can contact him | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he *is* GC, he is the one who's supposed to do the GC transfer | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since GC transfer is one of GCs duties | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blap: please don't send ascii gfx! | 23:12 |
| blap | ok | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though your gfx are really nice... if only I had no proportional font ;-P | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ascii art etc is a real nogo in public channels | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually | 23:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly muses if Group Registration is an asset and thus belongs to MC's domain | 23:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't hurt they shanghaied me, eh? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 23:17 |
| blap | thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blap: np | 23:18 |
| blap | ##ascii has more | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this is the one channel where ascii art is highly welcome :-) | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: I'd suggest to assign GC to warfare and/or me. Possibly warfare isn't available for that task though, I don't know. anyway should be (ex?)-techstaff | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's mere technical/organizational managenent role, thus close to techstaff | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for council it's no big thing to negotiate, just aon of council's maintenance tasks you're assigning/delegating | 23:25 |
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| blap | germans are good | 23:32 |
| blap | jews are evil | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah you did | 23:37 |
| blap | jews made intel management engine | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blap: please stop that stuff! immediately | 23:39 |
| blap | ok | 23:39 |
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| blap | why not tell you people who did it though | 23:40 |
| blap | :) | 23:40 |
| blap | you want freedom, and are too afraid to say who threatens your freedom? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blap: STOP IT! last warning | 23:50 |
| blap | ok thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | next statement that violates freenode and maemo spirit will earn you immediate ban | 23:51 |
| blap | fair to give warning | 23:51 |
| blap | i appreciate | 23:52 |
| blap | but let's discuss the bombing of germany | 23:53 |
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