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| sixwheeledbeast^ | can't say i have. do you have page examples we can try? | 01:17 |
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| Vajb | sicelo: happy times \o/ | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast^: I lost context | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: congrats | 08:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<bencoh> sicelo: looks like it has something muxed on usb)) that's the normal canonical way to have serial console. Other stuff like serial over headset jack is a terrible botch and an abomination. USB has specs for doing serial via D+/D- | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's supported on hw level at least in MG MUSB core | 08:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it's not exactly muxed, it's rather a genuine alternative operation mode of USB hardware | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's probably why a lot of Android phones do exactly that | 08:18 |
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| brolin_empey | Writing of Android phones, should I be concerned that the internal removable battery of my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (SM-N900W8, the variant for Canada) seems to be bulging? Is the battery supposed to be bulging? I have been using this battery for over 2 years by now because this battery was included with the computer when I bought the computer on eBay in 2015, around May. The computer still seems to work fine. | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | yup, bulging == bad | 09:19 |
| KotCzarny | while it may work more or less fine, it's like having time bomb | 09:20 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: What is the risk of using a bulging battery? That the battery will explode or catch fire? Why is the battery bulging in the first place? | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | in extreme cases, yes | 09:22 |
| KotCzarny | When lithium-ion batteries are over heated, over charged, or simply failing due to old age, it's possible for the inner cells of the battery to outgas a flammable electrolyte mixture. This is where the swollen battery effect comes from: the batteries are designed to contain, as a fail safe measure, that out gassing so that it doesn't cause a catastrophic fire. | 09:23 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.howtogeek.com/244846/what-to-do-when-your-phone-or-laptop-has-a-swollen-battery/ | 09:24 |
| brolin_empey | Is 2 years considered old age for this type of battery? I do not know for how long the battery was used before I bought it as part of the computer. The Galaxy Note 3 was originally released in late 2013, though, so I guess the battery will not be from before 2013 even if the battery is the original battery. | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | my n900's battery is 8 years old | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | but it was treated gently, so it's aging with grace | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | still use it in my main phone | 09:27 |
| KotCzarny | if you buy noname battery/cells, it can start aging in few months | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | all it takes is leaving battery empty for a few weeks, then things starting to crystallize inside | 09:28 |
| KotCzarny | and then it doesnt matter if it was month old, or few years | 09:29 |
| KotCzarny | overheating is similar story | 09:29 |
| brolin_empey | Well, in any case, I am glad that I still have an easily removable battery. It sucks that the battery of the BlackBerry Priv and BlackBerry KEYone is non-removable because those are still, as far as I know, the only models of smartphones officially running Android OS version 5 or higher with an integrated hardware keyboard and integrated LTE connectivity. | 09:34 |
| KotCzarny | that's what you get for being treated as a product, not a customer | 09:34 |
| brolin_empey | BlackBerry (company) used to use removable batteries, at least before the BlackBerry 10 era. | 10:02 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | {{"anyone having issues with SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP on some pages in MicroB?"}} which pages for others to try. | 10:31 |
| merlin1991 | sixwheeledbeast^: that sounds like the ssl lib in microb is so out of date that servers are phasing out support for the ciphers available in it | 10:52 |
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| vahe[m] | hi all, http://spek.cc/ how can I install it? | 11:13 |
| vahe[m] | I tried git download and autogen.sh but it did not | 11:14 |
| vahe[m] | https://bpaste.net/show/9f9ca75f282a | 11:14 |
| Vajb | it seems to me that page https://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Uninstalling_kernel-power gives wrong info | 11:22 |
| Vajb | i uninstalled power kernel by the instructions there and now device wont boot. I guess it doesn't have kernel | 11:23 |
| Vajb | or proper kernel or something | 11:23 |
| Vajb | screen lights up shows white background and nokia text then shuts down. White led in down left corner stays on maybe 10 seconds and turns off too | 11:24 |
| Vajb | so i guess there is nothing else to do than flash it again? Or just flash kernel i guess. | 11:25 |
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| bencoh | you could try rescueOS first, and/or reflash kernel using flasher, assuming you know which kernel you're supposed to flash atm | 11:26 |
| Vajb | i was going back o stock to get u-boot and have multiple os | 11:27 |
| Vajb | to* | 11:27 |
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| Vajb | guess i'll just use flasher to flash stock kernel then | 11:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Using thumb? | 11:28 |
| Vajb | but that is not too relevant here. More relevant here is that our wiki page gives non-working instructions. | 11:28 |
| Vajb | cssu-t not thumb | 11:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought the best way was to click the "stock Kernel" icon in the menu? | 11:29 |
| Vajb | dunno. I followed wiki for a change ;) | 11:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | It's called "Nokia Kernel" this will remove KP and reinstall the stock kernel. The method on the wiki I assume is if you want to remove manually | 11:31 |
| Vajb | hmm now if i vere adventurous i would try to get power-kernel to device again and check if this approach works | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the wiki instructions seem fine | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they were not placed there without testing them | 11:34 |
| bencoh | well, apparently... :p | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 99.9% are PEBKAC | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | though admittedly sometimes wili lacks to cover fringe cases | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wiki* | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a quite obvious failure mode would be to not check closely for the reply of install command as suggested in wiki, and just continue despite the procedure failed | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>5. Should it complete successfully (with "SIGTERM received" and "Image flashed successfully" messages),<< | 11:37 |
| Vajb | well i could claim that procedure went through perfectly, but i can't provide any logs of the thing so there is no point. | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you check the `ls -l /lib/modules/current` ? | 11:38 |
| Vajb | i did and it reported back exactly what was told in wiki | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, strange | 11:39 |
| Vajb | indeed | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh's advice to use rescueOS should allow to investigate the issue | 11:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Do flash only kernel with flasher? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you by any chance "clean up" the kernel modules while you used KP? | 11:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean a "/lib/modules/current -> 2.6.28-omap1" is only 0.1% of the whole thing, there obviously also needs to be a real dir 2.6.28-omap1/ with all the kernel modules for stock kernel | 11:43 |
| Vajb | i didn't | 11:43 |
| Vajb | unless power-kernel install does that automaticly? | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you deleted that to free some space (assuming it's not needed with powerkernel) and the install-flashing of stock kernel didn't restore it, then your stock kernel won't work even when you flash it via flasher now | 11:44 |
| Vajb | but would those missing modules result to not succesfull flash of kernel as well? | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashing kernel does just that | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while kernel modules are normal files in root-fs | 11:45 |
| Vajb | i meant "wouldn't it produce some errors for user to see?" | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least I don't think so | 11:46 |
| Vajb | hmm i c | 11:46 |
| Vajb | well that is one possibility then, but i never needed to free any space | 11:46 |
| Vajb | this device barely had anything, but conky, ssh and bunch of things to resolve crashesh | 11:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could analyze your last BM-backup of root-fs, it's just a tarball | 11:48 |
| Vajb | it was maybe a month ago, when i flashed this with lazyflash. Then installed css-t and power-kernel and started solving unstability issues | 11:48 |
| Vajb | don't have backups of this device :/ | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty unfortunate | 11:49 |
| Vajb | yes. I'll take it as "all life is learning, but there are still some mysteries left" | 11:50 |
| Vajb | now if there were one voluntee to test the procedure as well. To confirm my result or to pinpoint i made a mistake. | 11:51 |
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| KotCzarny | can n900's fm transmitter be used below 88mhz? | 12:14 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_FM_radio_transmitter | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 76 - 108MHz | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | say "Hello Japan" | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | so no way to make it 27mhz, heh | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL no | 12:17 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: what are you trying to achieve? :) | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | me? nothing.. *scuttersaway* | 12:18 |
| bencoh | riiight | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | also, this is nice: https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/video4linux/si4713.txt | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | apparently radio quality can be tuned a bit | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | and if v4l2 interface works on n900 it's a nice alternative | 12:22 |
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| bencoh | it does | 12:22 |
| bencoh | well, iirc it does | 12:22 |
| brolin_empey | Vajb: Some of life is teaching, not learning. ;-) | 12:24 |
| KotCzarny | did you dispose of that battery already? or waiting for a life's lesson? ;) | 12:24 |
| Vajb | brolin_empey: i haven't reach teaching phase yet :p | 12:26 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Not yet but I will try to source a replacement battery. I do not have a spare battery and do not want to stop using my handheld computer until I receive a new battery. | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 12:27 |
| brolin_empey | It is around 02:30 on Sunday here. I should be asleep but I slept during the day on Saturday because I have a weak will and am depressed because my life has no direction. | 12:28 |
| KotCzarny | have you tried tinkering/creating? helps that part | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how's that FMTX driver sourcecode relevant for "improve quality" | 12:33 |
| brolin_empey | I should try to write a personal advertisement to market myself to young women as a friend inclusive-or romantic partner but I procrastinate because I find writing such a thing very frustrating because I spend a long time trying to decide how to express my thoughts in writing and I do not know what to say nor how to describe myself. | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're aware this is just the docs for the driver used in N900? | 12:38 |
| brolin_empey | I am an engineer (of some type), not a marketer. | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modinfo fmtx_si4713 #-> author: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@indt.org.br> | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/video4linux/si4713.txt ->> Contact: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@nokia.com> | 12:40 |
| KotCzarny | i'm talking about using standard interface instead of using shell binaries | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err wut? | 12:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, i', out. This starts again | 12:41 |
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| Vajb | i have question about irssi. When on desktop i can change channel window by pressing alt+number. Is this somehow achievable in maemo? | 13:36 |
| Vajb | i mean directly to jump from say 2 to 9 | 13:37 |
| bencoh | you'll notice it works with meta | 13:37 |
| bencoh | meaning pressing/releasing ESC before pressing any digit works as alt+digit | 13:37 |
| bencoh | I remapped a key combination to act as ESC in rx-51 so that works for me | 13:37 |
| Vajb | cool, thx bencoh | 13:37 |
| Vajb | bencoh: today u made the difference :) | 13:38 |
| bencoh | glad to help | 13:43 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: This looks like a good deal: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Original-OEM-Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-III-Battery-NFC-N9000-B800BU-E-3200mAh-/252678365710?hash=item3ad4cde20e:g:hBwAAOSwiDFYN8dA | 13:57 |
| brolin_empey | My current battery says B800BU . I wonder what the difference is between the B800BU and B800BE? | 13:57 |
| KotCzarny | maybe e is for extended | 13:57 |
| brolin_empey | Or U for USA and E for Europe? I am just guessing. | 13:58 |
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| brolin_empey | Well, I bought two of these batteries, will continue using my current bulging battery until the new batteries arrive. | 14:11 |
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| Wikiwide | Hooray! The Conversations program might be working, again. But I have a tiny suspicion that it's tied up with rootfs somehow, aka sqlite3 opening a 60MB database requires 60MB of free space on rootfs. Which is not good, if it is so. | 14:53 |
| KotCzarny | iisnt rootfs on nand? | 14:55 |
| Wikiwide | Rootfs is internal memory, yes. | 14:58 |
| Wikiwide | And Conversations database is officially home partition, not rootfs. | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | does it mean it will write 60MB to nand quite often? | 14:59 |
| Wikiwide | No idea how sqlite3 works. | 15:00 |
| Wikiwide | That's why I think it would make sense to have logs as many tiny files. | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | but if you say it needs that amount of storage on rootfs.. | 15:01 |
| KotCzarny | btw. you can trace what files are accessed/written to, assuming kernel has fs trace enabled | 15:01 |
| Wikiwide | Hmm, interesting idea... | 15:05 |
| Wikiwide | I just know that when I was trying to vacuum the database, it was giving "database disk image malformed" or something error, which may be caused by lack of space on a partition (amongst other reasons). And homefs had more than enough free space (100MB or so?), while rootfs had "only" 50MB free. Database is 60MB. | 15:07 |
| Wikiwide | But it's all quite unreliable data and fragile hypothesis. More statistics from people with huge el-v1.db would be nice. | 15:09 |
| Wikiwide | And "disk I/O error" once, when trying to vacuum. | 15:11 |
| Wikiwide | But in the end, I managed to vacuum without any errors. | 15:12 |
| Wikiwide | And more than 60MB free on rootfs. | 15:12 |
| Wikiwide | Which was difficult ^ uninstalled cherry, ncurses... | 15:12 |
| KotCzarny | i'm curious, how did your db got so big? | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | irc logs? | 15:13 |
| Wikiwide | Yes | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | then irc plugin should stop doing that | 15:13 |
| KotCzarny | maybe apart from real priv msgs | 15:13 |
| Wikiwide | I am currently thinking about moving irc logs out of el-v1.db and into some other place, like irssi backlogs. | 15:14 |
| Wikiwide | And using irssi or something, instead of telepathy-idle | 15:15 |
| Wikiwide | Which is, quite annoying, given how irssi is likely not fully integrated with contacts, notifications and such | 15:16 |
| Wikiwide | Other approach could be figuring out a better way to store logs than one huge sqlite3 database. | 15:16 |
| KotCzarny | imo, channel logs dont belong to conversations db | 15:17 |
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| Wikiwide | Imagine somebody using the same device for 10 years. Lots of SMS, lots of phone calls. Could still amount to a large database file. Maybe not 60MB, but... | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | imagine someone using the same cellphone for 10 years | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | :P | 15:18 |
| KotCzarny | and phone calls are removed after 6 months or something | 15:19 |
| Wikiwide | Well, I am using Nokia N900 for 7+ years, don't remember exactly. It's not exactly same device, but only because of accidents (like full rootfs on one, multiboot+kernelupgrade on another ) | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup, minimal way it would go without reflashing at least once or twice | 15:20 |
| KotCzarny | s/way/chance/ | 15:21 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: yup, minimal chance it would go without reflashing at least once or twice | 15:21 |
| Wikiwide | As stubborn as I am, I mean to merge all databases of the three devices into one, once I get to fixing them. | 15:21 |
| Wikiwide | And ideally, get a way to sync IRC logs between phone and computer. | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | write a plugin and integrate with google cloud | 15:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 15:22 |
| Wikiwide | So, yes, it makes sense to move IRC logs (very talkative) into something else (instead of el-v1.db) | 15:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | why cloud if devices are on the same lan? I assume irc logs are only there due to using conversation plugin for irc? | 15:23 |
| Wikiwide | Like, create a major telepathy-idle upgrade which identifies contacts by NickServ registration and writes logs to a different place. | 15:24 |
| Wikiwide | Sixwheeledbeast : not necessarily on same lan, I irc from both home and workplace | 15:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | bouncer? | 15:26 |
| Wikiwide | Would need to establish an immortal server for that | 15:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 15:30 |
| brolin_empey | I have had a “mobile telephone” only since 2008, not yet ten years ago. | 15:37 |
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| brolin_empey | Heh, I was unaware of the solar eclipse occuring tomorrow (Monday) until today (Sunday). | 17:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wikiwide: opening a 60MB database requires huge amounts of RAM, which gives your system swap hell | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Wikiwide: again, it's confirmed knowledge that anything maybe >2MB in events db will bring your system down | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no real good rationale for keeping this insane amount of conversations in history either | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wikiwide: if you want a bouncer, please query me | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and regarding irc logs: I don't log at all on my phone. I got a bouncer where I could log (I don't) and I got logs on my PC which is 24/7/366 online and logging | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know what for I need logs on phone anyway | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually you got channel logbots for that | 19:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so even while xchat could log, I disabled it on phone. And I'd hope same option exists in telepathy crap | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when I had logging, there was this nasty string that killed xchat X-P | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh sorry, that's just scrollback, a mini-log | 19:15 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | the with the conversations plugin I would expect to be stored in message db until you clear it. | 19:20 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | sicelo: I have same output as your TMO post but still no issues with GPS lock AFAIK. | 19:21 |
| sicelo | A-GPS? | 19:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yeah I have no GPS lock via sat as I'm indoors. | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw there's that clear-AGPS-cache binary, just ran nto that on my server | 19:32 |
| sicelo | okay. no idea what's up then .. i've not had a-gps for a bit of time now | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tmo regression :-( https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90651&goto=newpost ignores the &goto=newpost part despite me being logged in | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or actually, now it works. strange | 19:36 |
| sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: what's your supl.nokia.com IP? | 19:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the one from the thread - 52.22.201.16 | 19:39 |
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| sicelo | same i have (and that has been working consistently well) | 19:43 |
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| freemangordon | Wizzup: (re block on it) - yeah, there is plenty of debian/changelog work still to be done :) | 20:07 |
| Wizzup | acknowledged | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~fptf | 20:46 |
| infobot | fptf is, like, the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 20:46 |
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| freemangordon | in the meanwhile: /me has REed 41711 of 64840 bytes from libhildon-plugins-notify-sv.so and nsv-decoder-service is 100% REed | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: would you please /join #devuan-dev and explain the concept of maemo-devuan infra | 21:43 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: yay :) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/concept/plans/ | 21:45 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: freemangordon: would you please /join #devuan-dev and explain the plans of maemo-devuan infra | 21:45 |
| bencoh | ohright, I wanted to try building fremantle-gtk2 | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ^^^ | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the guys over there decide about hosting and CI, you want to join in to explain your needs | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-08-18 Fri 14:03:16] <freemangordon_> parazyd: do I get it right that we're waiting now for the documentation of build system to be completed? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!°°° | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: could you help out with info about what the new VM on maemo infra was meant for, and what's the URL of that VM? | 21:55 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: it is not about "us", but about how they're goint to implement devuan build system in general | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | *going | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-08-20 Sun 20:15:00] <Evilham> the quintessence is still that the maemo packages on https://github.com/fremantle-gtk2 are to be hosted and built under devuan-infra, right? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: how you're going to use "their" build system when your hosting is in devuan.maemo.org machine xes has set up on your request? Or was that VM meant for pther purposes aor even not needed at all? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or are you not planning to use devuan CI? then what's all the gassle all about? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ g/ h/ | 23:51 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: or are you not planning to use devuan CI? then what's all the hassle all about? | 23:51 |
| TheKit | freemangordon, how do you count bytes reversed? :) | 23:58 |
| Wikiwide | About 52.22.201.16 : is it to be added to /etc/hosts for supl.nokia.com ? Swap: it uses nand to extend ram? /Do not know much about swap/ c | 23:58 |
| bencoh | Wikiwide: yes, and emmc instead of nand | 23:58 |
| bencoh | (or sd, depending on your setup) | 23:59 |
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