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| Wizzup | freemangordon: oh yeah, I also ordered a few droid4 phones as alt. target | 00:29 |
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| Wizzup | freemangordon: modem is ofono supported, sre and others did a lot of the linux mainline work | 00:29 |
| Wizzup | it's dual core omap and 1gb ram | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | in offline mode modem is supposed to NOT operate, aka "antenna off" | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might (or might not) be possible that modem still scans for visible BTS, but for sure it's not supposed to transmit anything, since that's the whole purpose of offline aka airplane mode | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at+cfun=0 is not meant to keep list of visible BTS afaik | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I even doubt a 911-call is possible in +cfun=0, which would be the only plausible reason to keep a list of visible BTS. Also 911 calls are the same whether with or without SIM, so that wouldn't apply either | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's possible your *SIM* is running any cruft and thus consuming energy | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you know your SIM is a complete 'computer' basically | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with storage, RAM, CPU and all | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for timing differences in GPS with and without SIM, see | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~gsm-agps | 03:56 |
| infobot | RRLP is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~u-tdoa | 03:57 |
| infobot | u-tdoa is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RRLP is basically the service layer A-GPS, while SUPL is the user layer A-GPS | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: ^^^ | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_resource_location_services_protocol | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unlike wikipedia ^^^ suggests, U-TDOA is also used in context of RRLP and E9-1-1 | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a not too technical article (as old as of 2005 it seems) about control plane (incorrectly called "service plane" | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...service layer" by me) vs user plane https://www.directionsmag.com/article/3206 | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas the excellent article linked in http://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP is "404" | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but for practical purposes you can assume SUPL ~= RRLP, modulo different planes they work on, from a user perspective | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just obviously you need a registration to a RRLP-provider for RRLP, which in turn needs an enabled SIM. And you need cellular TX for RRLP which is not supposed to be possible in offline mode. For SUPL on the other hand you need internet connectivity which is available in tablet-mode but not in offline mode either. Then on top there's the performance difference between SUPL and RRLP, the latter being magnitudes better thanks to U-TDOA if | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the provider is using that | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | U-TDOA based RRLP "SUPL" could (and does) actually outperform GPS both in precision and speed | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | on thing's for sure: unless there's a blatant implementation error in device, airplane mode must never transmit any RF and thus no U-TDOA based (or other) location of mobile equipment by provider in airplane mode | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exception to that might be user initiating a 911 call which might implicitly end any airplane mode, though ususally you get an additional warning requester about the fact, asking you if you really want to leave airplane mode | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA >>Today, in the United States, Sprint and Verizon use a form of GPS known as Assisted GPS while AT&T Mobility and T-Mobile use U-TDOA for their E9-1-1 solutions.<< | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also refer to http://m2msupport.net/m2msupport/atcfun-set-phone-functionality/ - up to the particular implementation of airplane mode if they use +cfun=0 or maybe +cfun=2 | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or 4 | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If I wasn't lazy to reboot device after that, I'd test setting the M900 to airplane mode, then on cli start pnatd and give a "AT+CFUN)" | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | If I wasn't lazy to reboot device after that, I'd test setting the N900 to airplane mode, then on cli start pnatd and give a "AT+CFUN?" | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HTH | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | useful article: https://technowizz.wordpress.com/2010/01/12/location-based-services-architectures/ | 04:44 |
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| xes | freemangordon: tomorrow I'll be back to "usual" boring life after a few days without keyboards....of course, except N900 ;) I hope to have some free time to move a few resources and prepare the VM | 08:39 |
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| freemangordon | xes: ok. It would be good to have something ready when it is needed, to not lose momentum. And trust from the devuan guys. | 08:45 |
| Juesto | nice | 08:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess creating a (sub)domain will take longer than preparing a VM | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also wonder if we run short of IPs | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devuan.maemo.org or maemo.devuan.org? | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess our sysops will prefer the former | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess you might pimp the scratchbox VM. It must be totally static and pretty low load | 10:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the DNS VM is maybe still totally idle and non-funct | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure it ever went active | 10:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/ | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL http://monitor.maemo.org/ganglia/?c=maemo&h=dns1&m=load_one&r=hour&s=by%20name&hc=4&mc=2 | 10:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Last login: Wed Feb 27 03:07:55 2013 from p5493b2e2.dip.t-dialin.net | 11:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-P | 11:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: ^^^ would we ever need dns1 VM? | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes_: ^^^ | 11:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~# lastb -a|grep -c 59.45.175 ;-->24978 | 11:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chinese gvmt hackers | 11:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.abuseipdb.com/check/59.45.175.66 | 11:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .24,56,64,66,86,88 | 12:02 |
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| xes | DocScrutinizer05: hum interesting... Let me check | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: iirc we created dns1 back when we hoped for hidden primary to Nokia's DNS | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly nobody ever looked into it since | 15:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but for a repo it would need way more storage, and I don't know where from to get that. Could it run from aux directly? | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or what are the requirements for that VM? | 16:01 |
| xes | DocScrutinizer05: we have enough resources for a not too large VM (enough to fullfill freemangordon's req.) ...but then i hope we could buy some piece of hardware to expand a blade or activate another one | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I vote for activating blade3 | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 16:04 |
| xes | :) me too | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the CPU and drives must be dirt cheap meanwhile | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not so sure about RAM | 16:05 |
| xes | ..more or less.. Refurbished ram and cpu are very cheap. Drives not | 16:07 |
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| buZz | woop, the batteries i ordered already shipped :D | 18:06 |
| buZz | they claim it might arrive tomorrow already O_o , that would be weird | 18:06 |
| Juesto | maybe they are prepared | 18:08 |
| Juesto | :D | 18:08 |
| Juesto | i mean | 18:08 |
| Juesto | maybe they placed you in a free slot in a shipping order or something | 18:08 |
| Juesto | hmm | 18:08 |
| Juesto | actually scratch that | 18:09 |
| buZz | :) | 18:09 |
| buZz | its just germany -> netherlands | 18:09 |
| buZz | so might really be within a day, but doesnt seem likely :P | 18:09 |
| Juesto | perhaps | 18:10 |
| Juesto | :) | 18:10 |
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| buZz | :) | 18:26 |
| buZz | i'll mostly be happy if batterylife is over 1 day in offlinemode | 18:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Should be easy. I get a weekend out of mine with light usage | 18:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | that's a several (3?) year old polarcell | 18:28 |
| buZz | cool cool, i dont even want to use GSM but sometimes its useful | 18:28 |
| buZz | without simcard in n900, battery last about a week | 18:28 |
| buZz | simcard inside, offline mode, barely a day | 18:28 |
| buZz | :( | 18:28 |
| Juesto | fancy | 18:29 |
| buZz | although everyone tries to ensure me that sim doesnt become active in offline mode, it seems it totally does | 18:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | battery is likely exhausted unless you have something eating in the background | 18:29 |
| Juesto | theres probably a way | 18:29 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I don't believe it would but I couldn't say for certain | 18:30 |
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| buZz | ah whichever, it'll be over soonish hopefully :) | 18:31 |
| bencoh | I don't think it does, but I have no way to find out for now | 18:31 |
| buZz | i believe this is the culprit ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA | 18:32 |
| buZz | or https://osmocom.org/projects/security/wiki/RRLP | 18:32 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I just disable cellular in terminal so I can have WLAN. If I don't want to take phone calls but need internet. | 18:33 |
| buZz | reason i think this ; getting GPS lock without sim inside takes 15-20 minutes, with sim inside and offline mode, about 1 | 18:33 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast^: yeah i still need to try if that has effect on gps lock speed | 18:33 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | Are you comparing them like for like. If you have WLAN it can get A-GPS data via that. | 18:38 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | You could have had different variables while testing | 18:38 |
| jamesl | wait, A-GPS works over wifi? | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I certainly don't get 1 minute GPS lock with data off. | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Well SUPL server | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | supl.nokia.com | 18:41 |
| bencoh | actually not supl.nokia.com, but yeah | 18:41 |
| bencoh | (I mean, you still need an entry in /etc/hosts) | 18:41 |
| bencoh | I wonder if we could push a configuration file via cssu | 18:42 |
| bencoh | something to update /etc/hosts, and/or dnsmasq configuration | 18:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | It's a bit hacky, you still need supl.nokia.com in the settings but some locations need a /etc/hosts hack for DNS reasons I recall? | 18:43 |
| bencoh | yeah | 18:44 |
| bencoh | just some locations? | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | :nod: | 18:44 |
| bencoh | supl.nokia.com is an alias for nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com. | 18:44 |
| bencoh | nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com is an alias for nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com.glb.as1248.net. | 18:44 |
| bencoh | nokia.supl.svc.ovi.com.glb.as1248.net has address 127.0.0.1 | 18:44 |
| bencoh | this is what I get for now | 18:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | doc had a link I'd have to find it now | 18:45 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | It would be nice to fix the issue properly not provide a hack via CSSU. | 18:46 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~logs | 18:46 |
| infobot | All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 18:46 |
| sicelo | doc's lin is/was https://www.whatismydns.com/#A/supl.nokia.com | 18:46 |
| sicelo | fix what issue? | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Get it working without having to hack hosts | 18:49 |
| sicelo | but the problem isn't in maemo? | 18:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | not in this instance but I also don't believe we can use another SUPL either if we wanted to host one | 18:51 |
| sicelo | i doon't see how we can get supl.nokia.com to resolve to a real IP any other way | 18:51 |
| sicelo | right. | 18:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | bencoh: https://www.whatsmydns.net/#A/supl.nokia.com | 18:52 |
| sicelo | we can use another. i know the google one definitely worked before | 18:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Resolves ok in USA for example | 18:52 |
| sicelo | so yes, self-hosting could be a real possibility | 18:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | I don't believe we can use the google one, I can't remember why. Otherwise the fix could be to switch to supl.google.com | 18:56 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Not that I would want to let google handle my requests anyway :) | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: please issue pnatd "at+cfun?" in "SIM, airplane" mode | 19:18 |
| sicelo | yes google's doesnt work | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no way this behavior you observe makes any sense, except when an "STK application" on SIM runs circles when modem is in offline mode | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: in airplane mode neither RRLP nor U-TDOA will work | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please issue pnatd "at+cfun?" in "SIM, airplane" mode, to save us from further speculating | 19:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | issues with TTFF differing between offline+SIM vs no-SIM may also be related to first rough estimate for location based on your last network provider you connected to. without SIM that is not available. However it's _not_ related to any RF transmission | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually GPS even might enable GSM in +cfun=2 or whatever, to determine location from mere monitoring of visible networks, still with no RF TX. This also should work without SIM but might be broken since nobody in Nokia modem team ever tested it | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AT+CFUN? will tell us a lot about all this | 19:27 |
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| buZz | i will as soon as i'm back where the n900 is laying on charger :) | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((an "STK application" on SIM runs circles)) particularly prone to that: SIM of providers with a "homezone" concept. They actually calculate your location on the SIM MCU | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: issuing a "AT+CFUN=0§ should fix any such issues for good | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bencoh: issuing a "AT+CFUN=0" should fix any such issues for good | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's supposed to completely shut down modem (and GPS) and thus SIM | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | obviously when you enable GPS, the middleware *will* re-enable moden via something like AT+CFUN=2 (or 4) | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise the GPS in modem wouldn't be available at all | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, GPS itself eats LOTS of power | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to have it running all the time | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could see how interleaving offline GPS-on online GPS-off commands could confuse the middleware | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly even a mere GPS-off doesn't exactly what it's supposed to do | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you should try to fix that confusion with a offline->online->offline cycle | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or with pnatd AT+CFUN=0 | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rotfl, sth funny with pnatd, at+cfun=0 makes it disconnect (surprise surprise - it connects to a modem it just has shut down completely) | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25163802 | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what restarts modem when you restart pnatd | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | blame csd and whatnot | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though... .oO(???) AT interpreter should stay alive even with AT+CFUN=0 | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly some watchdog kicks in when modem loses all radio activity ;-) unexpectedly | 19:46 |
| sicelo | term frezes :) | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, first time I had to disconnet ssj via ~. | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ssh* | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you do locally, you need to close xterm or kill pnatd from another terminal | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for unclear reasons pnatd has no known way to quit it | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I'm too lazy to switch my device to airplane mode the canonical way to check, right now | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just want to correct myself: AT+CFUN=0 might fail to work as expected, thanks to other stuff (watchdog) interfering | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might or might not, no idea | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | playing with pnatd CFUN is considered safe anyway, except from maximal a reboot needed to fix stuff. ATS0=1 however is not as easy to fix again | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so don't do it unless you understand exactly what it does | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could even ruin your SIM card by indiscriminately issuing AT commands you don't understand | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hint: POIN and PUK entry also is just a AT command. Don't touch those! | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://seriss.com/people/erco/unixtools/hayes.html | 19:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH!!! "please enter PIN-code" on device screen. That actually might explain ERROR reply to at+cfun? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think I know what happens: pnatd *is* the AT interpreter for ISI protocol to modem. pnatd is not prepared to handle CFUN states other than 1 (full). So after sending an ISI command to modem that's equivalent to +cfun=0 or +cfun=4, pnatd doesn't understand the answer from modem and so replies to +cfun? with "ERROR" | 20:21 |
| APic | DocScrutinizer05 > * | 20:23 |
| APic | 😉 | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the modem however seems to act naturally, entering a CFUN state <>1 when you go airplane mode | 20:23 |
| APic | 🙌 | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and again: *no* transmission whatsoever in airplane mode is the whole purpose of that mode, so I can't see how RRLP or U-TDOA is involved. At best (worst) modem still *receives* aka scans for all visible networks and *might* work differently on that when a SIM is inserted to tell the modem which network(s) is the preferred one that needs particular attention | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so actually in airplane mode without SIM the modem might scan more bands and channels than with SIM inserted | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see how it could be more busy with SIM than without, in airplane mode | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless there's a STK app running on SIM | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/25163986 | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at+cfun=4 (disable phone both transmit and receive RF circuits) doesn't seem to make the SIM PIN code requester pop up | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://m2msupport.net/m2msupport/atcfun-set-phone-functionality/ | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at+cfun=2/3 isn't supported according to at+cfun=? | 20:35 |
| sicelo | N900 is a good/meek netizen, but I'd like for it to be more aggresive sometimes. gy 'good netizen' i mean - it is very happy to wait for network packets, etc. Droids don't do this. they demand attention ruthlessly. i'd like to (at least sometimes) have that on N900. any ideas? | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re TTFF also please note that a second fix, same day, is always way faster than the initial one | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: demand attention? | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what else than wait could a device do when it actually waits for a network packet | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can adjust the duration it waits until the tcp/ip stack throws timeout error | 20:39 |
| sicelo | i was wondering if iphbd couldn't be tweaked to controlthis somehow | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet there's a /proc node for that, at least in powerkernel | 20:40 |
| sicelo | i'll try them too | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on my desktop PC I adjust that in "configuration" tool, so I don't know the right proc node off top of my head | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | either /proc/net/whatever or even /dev/net/whatever, I guess | 20:42 |
| sicelo | n900's network speeds are way slower than of any droid that i've seen .. even really 'weak' droids | 20:42 |
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| sicelo | i've seen those nodes before. will adjust and see | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.sekuda.com/overriding_the_default_linux_kernel_20_second_tcp_socket_connect_timeout | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_retries | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm still not sure I understand what exactly you want to achieve | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | n900's perceived network speed depends on a friggin lot of factors, starting at WLAN chip and connection and probably ending at swap needed for rendering huge web pages in vrowser | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first define the problem please, very specifically. Then we can look into what's the culprit and what might get done about it | 20:52 |
| sicelo | my problem is in cellular Internet. unacceptably slow, hangs. i know the ISP itself is bad, but droids somehow do way better. not high-end droids | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sftp for example is quite slow on my N900 but I think that's due to en/decrypting overhead which is heavy on CPU | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | browsing is slow mainly due to a lack of available RAM | 20:56 |
| sicelo | if i keep a running ping, it's a bit better | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh that | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's about AP and PSM | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or about swappyness in N900 kernel | 20:57 |
| sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: gprs | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gprs or umts? | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 2G or 3G? | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on 3G there's indeed a several-seconds long grace span in which the channel stays established (and even TX constantly running, thus causing UMTS eating more power than GPRS on slow pings) | 20:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at full rate however the situation trips: UMTS is way faster and thus finishes earlier and needs less battery | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so for shell and irc etc you want GPRS/2G while for browsing and bulk downloads you want UMTS/3G | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you say a ping improves the situation, I conclude you're talking about 3G | 21:02 |
| sicelo | even in 2G it's suboptimal, but on 3G it's completely bad. | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try a ping -f | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -f like flood | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that improves stuff in 2G, it's likely a problem on provider side | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when you got some free RAM still | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use htop to make sure your system isn't running busy | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird ipfilters/ipchains settings may cause issues | 21:07 |
| APic | lol | 21:07 |
| * APic ♥ DocScrutinizer05 | 21:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you have no leftovers from an occasional experiment with "forwarding internet via USB" or whatever | 21:08 |
| APic | (Not in a homosexual Way, just in a gayprideness-Way! 😉) | 21:08 |
| APic | s/gay/happy/ | 21:08 |
| infobot | APic meant: (Not in a homosexual Way, just in a happyprideness-Way! 😉) | 21:08 |
| APic | 😎 | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | apic: isn't it the same? | 21:08 |
| APic | KotCzarny: True. | 21:08 |
| APic | KotCzarny: But i would never insert my Penis into DocScrutinizer05 Arse. That Stuff i refer to. ☺ | 21:08 |
| * APic just thinks You Gals/Guys here are nice! | 21:08 | |
| APic | 😎 | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | so, passive then? :P | 21:09 |
| APic | In a helpful Way. | 21:09 |
| APic | No, not that Way around either. sorry. 😉 | 21:09 |
| APic | How would my Arse fit into DocScrutinizer05's Penis anyhow? 😉 | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | platonic? | 21:09 |
| APic | True! | 21:09 |
| APic | You got it! | 21:09 |
| APic | 😎 | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no sex, I'm british err an old fart | 21:09 |
| APic | Gut. | 21:09 |
| APic | 🙌 | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pretty much OT post that nevertheless I like reading :-) http://www.vanille.de/openmoko-10-years-after-mickeys-story/ | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sentimental journey ;-D | 21:21 |
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| kalin | Hi all | 23:55 |
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| kalin | I was have many issues with my n900 and i flashed it with PR1.3 | 23:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | what sort of issues? | 23:58 |
| kalin | Finaly i have installed pyOBD on my phone | 23:58 |
| kalin | i was unable to install anything | 23:58 |
| kalin | but now when try to start pyOBD it crashed | 23:59 |
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