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| NotKit | Wizzup, do you have ARM hildon-desktop packages? | 10:38 |
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| NotKit | wonder if this can be interesting for Maemo UI - https://www.xda-developers.com/halium-is-an-open-source-project-working-towards-a-common-base-for-non-android-mobile-operating-systems/ | 10:48 |
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| bencoh | NotKit: could be interesting to ease "porting" | 11:09 |
| bencoh | (ie porting to android-powered devices) | 11:09 |
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| Wizzup | NotKit: do they only have chat rooms, or also a website? The article doesn't seem to mention one | 12:09 |
| Wizzup | NotKit: no arm packages yet, waiting on amprolla. Reason to do intel first is that 3d accel is not a total mess on intel. | 12:10 |
| Zungo | actually since its pc, 3d accel support is more broad :) | 12:10 |
| Wizzup | When I said intel I meant amd64 | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | just say x86_64 | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | but essentially anything with decent PCI support works OK with 3d graphics, as you can plug in an amd card | 12:16 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: that'd not be correct :) | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | asnt amd64 just that? | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | *isnt | 12:16 |
| KotCzarny | unless context is something else | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | x86-64 (also known as x64, x86_64 and AMD64) is the 64-bit version of the x86 instruction set | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 | 12:18 |
| Wizzup | AMD64 was created as an alternative to the radically different IA-64 architecture, which was designed by Intel and Hewlett Packard. Originally announced in 1999[13] while a full specification became available in August 2000,[14] the AMD64 architecture was positioned by AMD from the beginning as an evolutionary way to add 64-bit computing capabilities to the existing x86 architecture, as opposed to Intel's | 12:18 |
| Wizzup | approach of creating an entirely new 64-bit architecture with IA-64. | 12:18 |
| Wizzup | The first AMD64-based processor, the Opteron, was released in April 2003. | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but intel's 64bit x86 cpu joined it | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | The original specification, created by AMD and released in 2000, has been implemented by AMD, Intel and VIA | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Industry_naming_conventions | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: it's still the name for it with all distros I use | 12:20 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:20 |
| Wizzup | and since I wanted to refer to generic 64 bit x86, amd64 is the proper term | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 12:21 |
| Wizzup | I didn't want to refer to intel-only computers | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | but people who dont know that could be confused by 'amd' part | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | that's why x86_64 or x64 is often used | 12:21 |
| Wizzup | but ... nobody except the linux kernel and gcc :p | 12:22 |
| Wizzup | s/but/by/ | 12:22 |
| infobot | Wizzup meant: by ... nobody except the linux kernel and gcc :p | 12:22 |
| Wizzup | anyway | 12:22 |
| KotCzarny | and linux kernel and gcc are quite hard core of almost all linux systems | 12:24 |
| Wizzup | I'd like to interject for a moment | 12:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-03-02/?msg=81815088&page=2 | 12:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: x86 isn't intel specific, it's the canonical generic name for the IA. Intel64 would be intel specific | 12:47 |
| Wizzup | ... | 12:48 |
| Wizzup | It's called amd64; I don't care if you think it's not sensible | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, debian calls "it" that way | 12:48 |
| Wizzup | not just debian. all distros out there except for ... dragonflybsd and some obscure linux ones | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the way they call that build since it was originally done for AMD and later on worked for other manufacurers' CPUs as well. But the IA is x86 | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>way to add 64-bit computing capabilities to the existing x86 architecture<< | 12:53 |
| KotCzarny | ia64 is itanium and compatible only with intel's itanium cpus | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | also, doesnt gentoo use x86_64 ? | 12:56 |
| KotCzarny | since it's relying on gcc so its more natural there | 12:56 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: no, it uses amd64 | 12:57 |
| Wizzup | but guys ... big deal | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | well, they have 'amd64 (x86_64)' in their handbook | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | so they use both ;) | 12:58 |
| Wizzup | If you want to (un)keyword a package, you have to write ~amd64 verbatim | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | still, it doesnt matter much | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | just saying that it might be confusing for noobs and requires some explanation | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | amd got themselves place forever in that part | 12:59 |
| Wizzup | they deserve it. | 13:00 |
| Wizzup | bbl ;) | 13:00 |
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| NeKit | Wizzup, as for website, not yet, http://halium.org/ has only placeholder | 14:08 |
| Maxdamantus | well, IA-64 simply isn't x86_64/amd64 | 14:15 |
| Maxdamantus | fwiw, Linux uses x86_64 | 14:17 |
| Maxdamantus | and the gcc target is usually x86_64 | 14:17 |
| Maxdamantus | (I suspect those are bound to each other) | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, by instruction set for example ;) | 14:18 |
| Maxdamantus | "the IA is x86" sounds wrong | 14:19 |
| Maxdamantus | afaik, "IA" refers to Itanium, which .. again, afaik, is pretty much independent of x86 | 14:20 |
| KotCzarny | it is wrong | 14:20 |
| warfare | I think "IA" here refers to "Instruction Architecture" like m68k, armv7, etc. | 14:21 |
| Maxdamantus | Oh. | 14:21 |
| Wizzup | Maxdamantus: 11:20 < Wizzup> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Industry_naming_conventions | 14:21 |
| Maxdamantus | anyway, as long as noone calls it "x64" I don't mind. | 14:21 |
| warfare | MS does ;) | 14:22 |
| Maxdamantus | I know. | 14:22 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 14:22 |
| Wizzup | warfare: they call it amd64 | 14:25 |
| Maxdamantus | "instruction architecture" doesn't seem to be a common term. | 14:25 |
| Wizzup | Microsoft Windows's x64 versions use the AMD64 moniker internally to designate various components which use or are compatible with this architecture. For example, the environment variable PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE is assigned the value "AMD64" as opposed to "x86" in 32-bit versions, and the system directory on a Windows x64 Edition installation CD-ROM is named "AMD64", in contrast to "i386" in 32-bit | 14:26 |
| Wizzup | versions.[80] | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | "IA" in "IA-64" seems to just mean "Itanium architecture" | 14:26 |
| Maxdamantus | (there's of course the common acronym "ISA" though) | 14:26 |
| warfare | I might just have mixed this up :) | 14:27 |
| Maxdamantus | also, even though debian calls it amd64 in its packages, I think it uses "x86-64" in the filesystem. | 14:29 |
| Maxdamantus | eg, I think it has some /lib/linux-x86-64 or something directory. | 14:29 |
| jon_y | vendor neutral pronouns :) | 14:29 |
| Wizzup | Maxdamantus: that is per binutils/gcc more than choice | 14:30 |
| Maxdamantus | /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu | 14:30 |
| Wizzup | that is the gcc tuple name, isn't that obvious? | 14:30 |
| Maxdamantus | as for vendor neutrality, as Wizzup's link said, AMD called it "x86-64" | 14:30 |
| jon_y | UEFI calls it x64 | 14:31 |
| jon_y | BOOTX64.EFI as defined in the specs | 14:32 |
| * Wizzup checks the channel name and seems #maemo, not #pedants | 14:32 | |
| * Wizzup shrugs | 14:32 | |
| Wizzup | s/seems/sees/ | 14:32 |
| jon_y | :) | 14:32 |
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| KotCzarny | it's irc, which has 'internet' as a first word | 14:33 |
| KotCzarny | which means, we have to be 100% correct! | 14:33 |
| Wizzup | Or, be incapable of realising that we all agree in the first place, and instead argue on forever about meaningless things | 14:33 |
| bencoh | :) (or rather :( in that specific case) | 14:34 |
| bencoh | Wizzup: regarding halium, the article mentions #halium@freenode, halium on telegram, and #halium:matrix.org) | 14:35 |
| Wizzup | Yeah; exactly, but no website to quickly get an idea of what they'll do | 14:35 |
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| warfare | https://xkcd.com/386/ (what a fitting number) | 14:37 |
| bencoh | :] | 14:38 |
| bencoh | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2017-April/007842.html "Currently this project idea is codenamed Halium. Overall idea for the project is | 14:40 |
| bencoh | drafted at the https://tinyurl.com/halium" | 14:40 |
| bencoh | but this tinyurl doesn't seem to work :/ | 14:40 |
| bencoh | ah nevermind, it does work without trailing , | 14:41 |
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| MetalGearSolid | /set irc.look.buffer_switch_autojoin off | 17:49 |
| sicelo | :) | 17:55 |
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| KotCzarny | nope | 18:14 |
| KotCzarny | it stopped | 18:14 |
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| bencoh | hmm, I wonder if anyone tried https://github.com/mozilla/webrtc-standalone | 18:52 |
| bencoh | or https://www.openwebrtc.org/ | 18:52 |
| bencoh | I suppose that could be used with webrtc-powered A/V call services | 18:53 |
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| bencoh | meh, openwebrtc needs gstreamer-1.0 ... | 19:18 |
| bencoh | so this would be unusable on n900, unless we decide to port libgstdsp to gstreamer-1.x | 19:18 |
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| freemangordon | bencoh: shouldn;t be that hard | 21:54 |
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| bencoh | freemangordon: maybe, I never seriously compared both APIs | 22:20 |
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