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| DocScrutinizer51 | good plan | 00:21 |
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| Maxdamantus | iirc, wpa_supplicant just worked as usual. | 01:26 |
| Maxdamantus | on one of the 3.14 kernels for N900. | 01:27 |
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| KotCzarny | https://mm.gravedo.de/blog/posts/2017-04-10-introducing-anbox/ | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if n900 could use it | 11:57 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: porting all the "recent" android kernel features to the old maemo kernel would probably be a pain | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | what about pali's kernel? | 12:14 |
| bencoh | and I'd feel for the guy trying to build anbox for maemo using https://snapcraft.io/ | 12:15 |
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| bencoh | KotCzarny: pali's tree is following mainline closely, so it wouldn't be too hard to merge back from recent kernels | 12:16 |
| bencoh | it's actually what people do when they merge android patches back to mainline | 12:16 |
| bencoh | (for the parts that are not already merged, or in staging/) | 12:16 |
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| jonwil | I am surprised no-one has made something that lets you run Android apps on Linux in the same way WINE lets you run Windows apps on Linux. Replace the low-level Android specific libraries (including GPU drivers etc) with mapping libraries that map them to standard linux equivalents. Anything that isn't too specifically tied to the unique features of Android or specific hardware could be... | 12:47 |
| jonwil | ...ported over to Linux. | 12:47 |
| jonwil | Or maybe what I talk about exists and I just haven't heard of it. | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil: that anbox seems doing something similar | 12:48 |
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| sicelo | there was also something a while ago doing same thing .. shashlik i think | 12:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi rhombus | 18:34 |
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| rhombus | Hi DocScrutinizer05 | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a start with maemo, let me ask infobot for a few factoids | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 18:35 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 18:35 |
| infobot | lazyflashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 18:36 |
| infobot | cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jr-repos | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrrepos | 18:36 |
| infobot | well, jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the latter to compensate for the Nokia repos that went down | 18:36 |
| rhombus | wow, neat | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for experienced linuxers: | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 18:37 |
| infobot | from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there's no up-to-date concise "maemo beginners howto" | 18:38 |
| rhombus | no worries, I should be able to manage | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 18:38 |
| rhombus | brb | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if *any* qustions arise, please don't hesitate to ask here. | 18:39 |
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| rhombus | back | 18:41 |
| rhombus | ok | 18:41 |
| rhombus | that's good to know | 18:41 |
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| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Damn, the battery on my N900 is almost empty again. After two days. Is that normal? This battery is new. | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, if it was powered up all the time (and maybe not even CSSU patches installed) then yes, 2 days uptime is what you can expect | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it supposedly been powered down (not just locked screen) then the battery should not see significant drain during months | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with CSSU and disabling a few hogs like skype and don't know OM-weather and the like, your uptime should be >7 days when you either didn't enable WLAN or are associated to a good WLAN AP | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WLAN search for APs is known to be a battery hog | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why in network settings you can chose the period time for WLAN searching for Access Points | 18:48 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Ah, ok. It was on two days, WLAN is activated and I haven't made any other changes to the configuration, so I guess that explains it. | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:48 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: My search interval is 10 minutes | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when it wasn't logged in to a WLAN AP, or that AP doesn't support PowerSavingsMode | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's dramatic. Seach for APs uses like a few hundret times more power than being logged in. So when device does a 1 minute search every 10 minutes... | 18:50 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: ouch -- 1 minute? | 18:51 |
| rhombus | So, I should choose a longer interval | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it needs to scan all channels and wait for all 'visible' stations to send their beacon and ID | 18:52 |
| Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 I'm reading your conversation with rhombus . I have a question. Does jrrepos contain also the original Maemo images? And Nokia's flasher? Up to now, I've been using ones from a mirror found at Archive.org. | 18:52 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Can I just manually tell it to look for a WLAN? | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | erstazi: no, this is just for the maemo core system packages | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: ^^^ sorry# | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rhombus: sure | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | set period to "never" | 18:53 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: How do I do that if an interval has been set? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 18:53 |
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| rhombus | What I mean is, if the interval has been set, it won't check between intervals. But maybe I am in an area with WLAN and want to use it. How do I force a search? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, it's a tiny bit more 'complex'. Sth like "switch to WLAN if available: never" | 18:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 checks | 18:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | app settings -> internet connections -> "automatically connect: <no wlan>" | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so choose either "always ask" or <your cellular internet access> | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do not choose "WLAN" or "any connection" | 18:58 |
| sicelo | you don't force a check ... just open your Internet-using application and it will search (or just choose it in the connection dialog on status menu) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what sicelo said | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | click in status bar to open menu, click on "<your internet connection>" button. It opens a requester searching for all connections currently available | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can also shut down the existing connection in that dialog | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iow the opening of that dialog forces a WLAN scan | 19:01 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: including WLAN, even if it is disabled in Internet connections? | 19:02 |
| rhombus | ok | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some apps might open the dialog for you when they need internet access | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:02 |
| rhombus | ok | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's pretty convenient and easy&clear | 19:02 |
| sicelo | very simple, and intuitive, imo. :) | 19:02 |
| sicelo | ack | 19:02 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 highfives sicelo :-) | 19:03 | |
| rhombus | what's the right way to move the scroll bar that appears at the right side of the screen when the requester comes up? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but before you start learning to know and love your N900, make sure you had reflashed it to latest clean OS | 19:04 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Ok, that will be my next project. | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never use a OS pre-installed by somebody else | 19:05 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: Right!!!!!!! | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflasjing | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lazyflashing | 19:05 |
| infobot | i heard lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach | 19:05 |
| rhombus | So far I haven't sent anything really sensitive with this phone | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm a tad fond of that | 19:05 |
| rhombus | ok | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lazyflashing is fun | 19:06 |
| rhombus | Looks simple | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and really just one c&p to your linux PC terminal | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (unless your OS doesn't have any support for 32bit anymore) | 19:07 |
| rhombus | DocScrutinizer05: why wouldn't it? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried to cope with that, but there are too many linux OS out there, with different pacjage managers etc | 19:07 |
| rhombus | I am pretty sure I still have 32-bit compatibility | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, lately more and more distros drop 32bit support | 19:08 |
| rhombus | How can I test whether I have 32-bit support? (I'm running Gentoo, FWIW) | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my lazyflasher tries to work around it, usinf LD_PRELOAD but that's a terrible botch | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* need to manually install 32bit legacy libs | 19:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prolly should employ 0xffff flasher eventually, for lazyflasher | 19:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to Pali we have that FOSS flasher alternative, and of course it will work with 54bit system | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 64* | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but first try lazyflashing! :-) | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you already finished flashing while I still tried to explain :-D | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 19:12 - 19:05, 7 minutes. More than enough time to complete the lazyflashing procedure | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 19:15 |
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| rhombus | haha | 19:22 |
| rhombus | I will have to do that when I am at home | 19:22 |
| rhombus | At work at the moment | 19:22 |
| rhombus | and on that note... | 19:22 |
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| rhombus | I must return to work -- but thanks for the tips and information! I'm looking forward to the new firmware :P | 19:23 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | I am a bit in a trouble with the keyboard (in Debian). I have been able to set up the rx51 keyboard by editing /etc/default/keyboard. I've set XKBMODEL="nokiarx51" and XKBLAYOUT="it". This allows Italian keys to be used. But I'd need some special characters: |, ~, escape, etc. I tried editing /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51, but nothing seems to change. I also don't understand where the nokiarx51 config | 20:04 |
| Enrico_Menotti | file is stored (/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst doesn't report that keyboard model as available). Maybe I should ask #debian, please let me know whether this be the case. | 20:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not maemo specific and not even sovable in a maemo environment since your debian differs | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in maemo you don't have special symbols on hw kbd, we have a special vkbd for that. so see "vi's awesome keyboard maopping" | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I pointed you to that a few days ago already | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping | 20:18 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes, ok, I am looking at that. There I found /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51. | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I use the english layout. All (useful) symbols have been added to the keyboard rendering the blue+ctrl menu redundant.<< | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "rendering the blue+ctrl menu redundant" is exactly what you need since debian has no such vkbd menu on ctrl+blue | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and you probably couldn't even get it easily since it's maemo specific prolly closed blob and very window manager dependent | 20:32 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, no problem, I will manage some way to remap the keyboard. Thanks. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly I still fail to understand the purpose of this "get debian on N900" execise, particularly when a exactly equivalent community effort right now is making a "Devuan on N900" | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean there's a reason why the community effort is based on devuan, not debian | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and your learning exercises could help the devuan effort instead of being wasted into debian | 20:36 |
| Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 Ok, maybe I could switch to Devuan. In particular if in this way I could integrate a bit with the community. I am playing with Debian just because when I started with that I did not know anything about Devuan. | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | devuan is basically just debian sand systemd cancer | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sans* | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus explicit partnership and support with maemo community | 20:37 |
| Enrico_Menotti | The only reason why I'm insisting with Debian now is that I already installed it on my spare computer... | 20:38 |
| Enrico_Menotti | :) | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | migration to devuan is easy | 20:39 |
| Enrico_Menotti | How to? | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#devuan migrate instructions | 20:40 |
| infobot | [#devuan migrate instructions] https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20 | 20:40 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, thank you. I see these instructions are specific to Debian, so I'm ready for that. I will read them carefully and probably migrate in a few days. Just a question: is Devuan available without a GUI? (My old spare computer is slow and memoryless, and I think I don't need a GUI for my purposes.) | 20:45 |
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| KotCzarny | think of devuan as 'debian with one package removed' | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | (grossly simplified) | 20:58 |
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| Zungo | Enrico_Menotti: if debian is available for your computer, then devuan is likely to be too | 22:40 |
| Zungo | :) | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and just today devuan rolls out RC | 22:40 |
| Zungo | a bit late but on well | 22:40 |
| Zungo | cool | 22:41 |
| Zungo | good morning also(?) | 22:41 |
| Zungo | im not sure | 22:41 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Zungo Yes, I have read the page with instructions on how to migrate. I will do that. | 22:41 |
| Enrico_Menotti | For now, I'd like to try a few more things with Debian, just to learn. I'm still struggling with the keyboard. The std Italian one is working, but I'm unable to customise it. Strange. | 22:42 |
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