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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<freemangordon> but it should be something like dd if=$image of=/dev/$sdcard bs=4096)) in which case you could ommit the blocksize | 00:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | blocksize has no effect on the reslt in a dd command without skip or similar, it just tells buffer size of process | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you use count= or skip= then bs= is relevant | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xz -c $image.xz | dd -of=/dev/$sdcard bs=1M | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | faster | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<parazyd> try root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 i guess)) no there's a gotcha, kernel thinks uSD is mmcblk0 | 00:37 |
| parazyd | yes, we've resolved that | 00:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | one thing to knmow: you can't power off N900 when charger or PC is connected to USB | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as there are 5V VBUS the device boots up | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it however enters a runlevel dubbed ACT_DEAD that mimics a shut down device with only LED flashing yellow | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually the amber flashing LED is unrelated to charging on a hw level, maemo middleware does that. And maemo BME process tickles the watchdog timer in charger chip which keeps the chip from stopping charging. That's why you can't charge battery when your system is fubar, and you can't fix your fubar system (flashing) when battery empty | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~bootloop | 00:44 |
| infobot | hmm... bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device. | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flatbatrecover | 00:44 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop) | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WATCH OUT when using alternative OS, it usually does _not_ know how to tickle chargerchip watchdog | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~charge21 | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues charge21 | 00:47 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'charge21' by value returned no results. | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~charge21 is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh | 00:48 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 00:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders what's the 21 in ShadowJK's charge21 | 00:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sth like charge69 and charge18 ? ;-) | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh charge24 another very common ... I don't even have a word for this marketing name strategy. *24 for car/friend/whatever URLs, 18 and 69 for XXX | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 18 is specific german since you're adult at 18 here, might differ with other countries and their sexual intercourse legislative. 69 is obvious ;-) | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rBunO4uuk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RHa4xdEAiE | 00:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4pPboh9hDQ rotfl. I guess you need to have been annoyed by the original TV commercial a few times to enjoy this | 01:05 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I went to charge mode by connecting the usb AND holding the power button for a while. Now battery's up. Before I flash the device again, does anybody have any idea why now it doesn't go to charge mode as soon as I connect the usb, but I need to press the power button? (And the same for flash mode.) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charge mode with N900-maemo is always automatically enabled when you connect a charger or USB host | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just explained you can't power down the device when charger is connected since device automatically boots as soon as 5V applied. No matter what you do with power button, it won't stay off | 01:12 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, but the LED doesn't flash. And the device doesn't give signs of life. And if I press and hold the "u" and connect the usb, nothing happens. | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you managed to put the device into a limbo state where it's on but not respinsive | 01:13 |
| Enrico_Menotti | What would you do? Flashing? | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd urgently suggest to remove battery to recover and not drain battery by keeping it in that state | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a 10s power button press *might* work too | 01:14 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Well, I already charged the battery. If I press the power button (while connected to usb) it starts charging. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:15 |
| Enrico_Menotti | And if I hold "u" and press power it goes in flashing mode. | 01:15 |
| Enrico_Menotti | No? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as I already explained 2 times, it always starts charging as soon as you connect charger | 01:15 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Even if the LED is not flashing? | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if the LED is not flashing then something is wrong with your system | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LED is not directly related to charging | 01:17 |
| Enrico_Menotti | In any case, now I got the LED flashing by pressing the power button, and in the end it got green. I think I may assume that the battery is full. | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's even an app to adjust (or disable completely) the LED flashing pattern for device states incl 'charging' state. It's an OS feature | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, at least 60% | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 80% | 01:18 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, so now? Should I flash again, to restore normal behaviour? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green is not physical end of charge but some logical thing defined by OS | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the problem with non-normal behavior? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please describe what you think is non.normal | 01:19 |
| Enrico_Menotti | The fact that the LED is not flashing as soon as I connect the USB and the fact that in order to go to flash mode I have to hold "u" AND press the power button. | 01:20 |
| Enrico_Menotti | This happened after I've been able to boot Devuan. | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, the first is normal and the second a handling problem or a hw defect | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please refer to | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 01:21 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 01:21 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | For the first, it does not flash until I press the power button. In any case, before booting Devuan these things did not happen. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no way to stop device from booting on a hw level when you attach 5V USB | 01:23 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I know how to flash, I did it two days ago. But I wonder whether this is the case, or I could recover the thing without flashing. | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no such thing like "I need to press power button to make it charge" | 01:23 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, let's say that I need to press power button to see any sign of life. | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you pressing power button while device already linked to charger will SHUT DOWN the device and it reboots instantly since it _cannot_ be powered down with charger attached | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so my suspicion is you boted into a kernel that leaves the device in a state where it doesn't show signs of life and you interpreted that as "powered down" | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | attaching charger doesn't change that, so you have to press power button to reboot into sane working OS | 01:26 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I understand. The strange thing is that I just uploaded the kernel for Devuan, not flashed it. It should not be in RAM anymore, right? | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also allow for 30s for power up *and* shut down. The device is still cleaning up for 20s after LED and display went dark, on power off | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RAM isn't magically cleared on random triggers. When experimenting with kernels you should get used to removing abttery and unplugging from USB to reach a defined state | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | battery, even | 01:29 |
| Enrico_Menotti | How much time removing battery? I already tried... | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm not even sure if the system reboots at all when pressing power button as long as charger attached, or simply does a "init 5" or "init 1" etc to change form "active" state to "ACT_DEAD" state and vice versa | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 10s should suffice | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess 1s suffices | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please study http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure | 01:32 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I disconnected the battery for more than half a minute. This finally worked. Thank you. No need to reflash. | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removing battery is the only failsafe way to get device into a known state after flashing | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (incl EAMload) | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RAMload* | 01:33 |
| Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I just did not expect to have to do that for such a long time. | 01:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess it's not needed for a long time, the system should crash hard from blackout within milliseconds | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you keep USB attached ;-P | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | charger will power the system until watchdog kicks in, which is ~15s | 01:35 |
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| Enrico_Menotti | No, I disconnected and reconnected the battery, without usb, many times, without success, until this last time (when I wated ~30 s). | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually seen many devices come up with amber steady LED after 20min on charger without battery inserted | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, then N900 is a better hardware than I ever expected :-) | 01:36 |
| Enrico_Menotti | :) | 01:37 |
| Enrico_Menotti | In any case, now everything's ok. Next step: trying to understand why the new kernel I built is not booting at all. | 01:38 |
| Enrico_Menotti | But this is for tomorrow. Now, bed time. | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when CPU enters zeroclock mode and RAM does suspend powersafe autorefresh, the power consumption may be very low indeed | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the lowest standby current we seen with fully booted system is ~2mA iirc | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when doing suspend2ram | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where the latter more helps with keeping CPU un unclocked mode than with cutting down on CPUs power consumption | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ un / in / | 01:41 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: where the latter more helps with keeping CPU in unclocked mode than with cutting down on CPUs power consumption | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another kernel might be more relaxed and not start clocks at all until e.g. you connect charger | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a trick that usually helps: press power button while _battery_removed_ --> instant blackout from CPU ramping up and draining buffer capacitors | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea if your kernel you RAMloaded might have enetered suspend2ram state, or whatever. So yes it's possible a loaded kernel survives even 10 or more seconds of battery removal | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>why now it doesn't go to charge mode as soon as I connect the usb, but I need to press the power button? (And the same for flash mode.)<< for flash mode all explained above applies accordingly: flash mode only entered during bootloader pjase. When device is still running a kernel it won't even enter bootloader. You pressing power button for 8?s however powered down the device and in the next millisecond it gets booted up again, which | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means it enters bootloader and the bootloader detects "u" held down etc | 01:56 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer05, 21 = version 2.1 | 05:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | aah :-) | 06:04 |
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| KotCzarny | willmore, laziness and dumb users. too many choices and chaos would ensue ;) | 08:11 |
| KotCzarny | eh. echan. | 08:12 |
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| xes | uh? DocScrutinizer05_v2.1 ?? :) | 08:57 |
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| brolin_empey | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32795263337/32795263337.html?shortkey=3u6jyEJB&addresstype=600 | 11:19 |
| brolin_empey | Is there a disadvantage to this low-cost model of smartphone other than the non-removable battery and the lack of an integrated hardware keyboard? Let me guess, someone will mention the Android OS as opposed to a GNU+Linux OS, lack of long-term OS updates, or allegation of spying or a backdoor because it is from a Chinese company. | 11:19 |
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| bencoh | brolin_empey: or the qualcomm (american company, mind you) backdoor | 11:21 |
| brolin_empey | bencoh: You mean in the cellular modem? | 11:25 |
| bencoh | yeah | 11:26 |
| bencoh | (which is in the soc) | 11:26 |
| brolin_empey | I am considering buying this product for my friend, not for myself. | 11:27 |
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| brolin_empey | I do not know if the user can have superuser access on this computer either. My friend may not care but I have always had superuser access, which is part of why I am not considering the BlackBerry Priv. | 11:32 |
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| brolin_empey | The HTC myTouch 4G Slide from 2011 and the similar HTC Desire Z AKA T-Mobile G2 from 2010 have an integrated hardware keyboard but the hardware keyboard lacks arrow keys or a D-pad. At least for the myTouch 4G Slide, the newest version of the Android OS available seems to be only 4.x, specifically 4.4, but some things, such as Termux, already require at least 5.0 . | 11:36 |
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| KotCzarny | if one doesnt care about software and just wants to have pr0n gadget, sure, it will do | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | main disadvantage would be trying to get it repaired in case something bad happens | 11:44 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: it = what? The computer I referenced on AliExpress? | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | if by computer you mean phone, yeah | 11:59 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: No, by computer I mean mobile computer with converged telecommunication capability, commonly known as a smartphone even though it can be used only as a computer and not as a telephone. | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | no, n900 is a mobile computer | 12:03 |
| KotCzarny | that android phone is a gadget | 12:03 |
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| brolin_empey | The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada. We have already had this discussion months or years ago. | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | im not talking about phone part, do we? | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | unless you've changed definition of the computer again | 12:07 |
| buZz | > The Nokia N900 is a bad user experience, especially in Canada. | 12:27 |
| buZz | haha | 12:27 |
| buZz | yeah nationality greatly affects ability to use linux | 12:27 |
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| ovaltine_ | nationality affects ability to use linux? :O | 12:55 |
| ovaltine_ | thats not good to hear | 12:55 |
| * ovaltine_ finally understands why he is still a newbie after 6 years of using n900 | 12:56 | |
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| buZz | ovaltine_: ^_^ i was joking :P | 13:01 |
| ovaltine_ | phew | 13:02 |
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| brolin_empey | buZz: You seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension. I said “in Canada”, not “for Canadians”. The Nokia N900 has limited cellular connectivity, which is especially limiting in Canada. Find my previous discussion in the public log of this channel if you want the details. | 17:03 |
| buZz | i'd rather not be aware of any logs | 17:07 |
| buZz | but, isnt cellular reception in ~99% of canada non-existant? | 17:07 |
| buZz | wouldnt you rather have a iridium device? | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks | 18:42 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: thats humor , right? :P | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish it was | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UMTS and LTE bands are a clusterfsck | 18:51 |
| buZz | yeah i dno | 18:52 |
| buZz | it sorta matches my idea of most of canada not having mobilephone coverage | 18:52 |
| buZz | but what do i know | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, coverage is the one thing I can't find info for in that wikipage | 18:52 |
| buZz | there is https://opensignal.com/ but doesnt seem to have a lot of canadian samples | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what I see is Canada is 1700 AWS | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and 850/1900 | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe helping: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31587 | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: iridium is a zombie (was already dead before CIA(?) bought it for their purposes) and quite expensive | 19:36 |
| buZz | its still working and active | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, but in a zombie state | 19:38 |
| buZz | iirc they even threw some new iridium sats up recently | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, this must be Trump's idea | 19:39 |
| buZz | guy knows shit about tech | 19:39 |
| buZz | on January 14, 2017 | 19:39 |
| buZz | 10 got launched | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no of course not, but he's willing to spend billions into "USA FIRST" | 19:39 |
| buZz | DocScrutinizer05: sure USAFIRST while moving all production to other nations | 19:40 |
| buZz | i love this kinda nationalism , 'I WILL MAKE JOBS' *closed all solar factories* | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>... offer from Iridium as set by its parent company Motorola. The company failed to earn revenue sufficient to service the debt associated with building out the constellation and Iridium went bankrupt, the largest bankruptcy in US history at the time<< | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooooh! >>Iridium is currently developing, and is expected to launch during 2017 and 2018,[10] Iridium NEXT, a second-generation worldwide network of telecommunications satellites<< | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation#See_also | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Thuraya has very attractive offers | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Their service was restarted in 2001 by the newly founded Iridium Satellite LLC, which was owned by a group of private investors [[aka CIA straw men]]. Although the satellites and other assets and technology behind Iridium were estimated to have cost around US$6 billion, the investors bought the firm for about US$35 million.<< | 19:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | all their spies and all their military abroad *needs* a service like Iridium | 19:55 |
| buZz | yeah | 19:55 |
| buZz | if you have a SDR you can listen in to iridium ;) | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not encrypted? | 19:56 |
| buZz | https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/https://www.reddit.com/r/RTLSDR/comments/2qp0hl/iridium_pager_hacking_31c3/ | 19:56 |
| buZz | most isnt, no | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, Thuraya is GSM-pimped | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so at least weakly encrypted | 19:56 |
| buZz | nice, i saw the 1TB rainbow table requirement dropped since ~2013 | 19:57 |
| buZz | as cpus are now fast enough to do it realtime | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honesrly, in the end what counts is indoor call receive, and minute tariff | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and there Thuraya is unbeatable afaik | 19:58 |
| buZz | dno | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and since it's GSM-mod'o'fied there are even Thuraya sleeves for iPhones | 19:59 |
| buZz | i dont feel a need to talk through a microphone to people | 19:59 |
| buZz | seems outdated :P | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>page not found<< | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you meant this? http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/ | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | weird, the video seems hard to find | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/muccc/iridium-toolkit still there so I doubt it's a conspiracy ;-) | 20:12 |
| buZz | what video? | 20:12 |
| buZz | https://media.ccc.de/search/?q=iridium <-- one of these? | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I meant the one at bottom of http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/iridium/ | 20:13 |
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| buZz | thats https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_6236_-_en_-_saal_1_-_201412281645_-_iridium_pager_hacking_-_sec_-_schneider | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAAHHHH!!!!! Calypso chipset!! | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 28:50 ROTFL!!! sending pager messages is for free | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://messaging.iridium.com/ | 21:44 |
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| M4rtinK | lol | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | what could possibly go wrong :) | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | (world wide satellite base SPAM! ;-) ) | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it's rate limited and volume/month limited | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus you need to know the recipient number, and I guess other safeguard measures apply, like "what's your email addr? please verify by clicking the link in the mail you received" | 22:24 |
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