IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2017-03-19

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NeKithttps://2.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2007.1000337.16.4.hx4eZE&id=54082353519408:56
NeKitdoes it look real from photos?08:57
KotCzarnypage requires login08:57
KotCzarnythrow a link to the photo08:57
NeKithttps://img.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/6000000002394/TB2u0CYXY_0UKFjy1XaXXbKfXXa_!!0-fleamarket.jpg_728x728.jpg https://img.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/6000000006759/TB2cPfVc4RDOuFjSZFzXXcIipXa_!!0-fleamarket.jpg_728x728.jpg08:58
KotCzarnyi would bet on a fake08:59
NeKitalso https://img.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i1/6000000000268/TB23TXrjmFmpuFjSZFrXXayOXXa_!!0-fleamarket.jpg_728x728.jpg09:00
KotCzarnyhttps://nagomartin.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/be-careful-if-you-want-to-buy-nokia-n900/09:02
KotCzarnyfew notes to spot most obvious differences09:02
jonwilhi09:04
KotCzarnyand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t27QMN5AH2c09:05
KotCzarnywhich confirms it's a fake09:05
NeKitthank you09:06
NeKitnever supposed they could actually fake this form-factor09:06
KotCzarnyyou should message the dealer and/or taobao to inform about it09:06
NeKitthere was discussion there already if it's a fake or not, but seller tried to prove otherwise09:07
KotCzarnypost a link to yt vid09:07
KotCzarnythat should nail him down09:08
KotCzarnyotoh, it's funny people are still trying to sell fake n900 after it's EOL in ~2011 ;)09:09
KotCzarnynekit: remember that n900 was sold for quite a sum at the time of release10:04
freemangordonKotCzarny: I wouldn't call it funny, rather sad10:05
NeKitthose fakes seem to be based on MTK chips10:06
KotCzarnyit's a sad laugh10:06
freemangordonthere is no replacement for 6 years already10:06
KotCzarnywho needs a replacement?10:06
KotCzarnyit's working perfectly fine for me10:06
freemangordonhow's your browser?10:06
KotCzarnyand web browsing on any screen <10" is a pain10:07
freemangordonetc.10:07
freemangordonno, it wasn't back then10:07
KotCzarnyother than browser it suits me perfectly10:07
KotCzarnyfmg: but sad state of the web today is that everything has to have 2cm blank space around it + tons of js10:07
freemangordonall the multimedia and communication functionality n900 has in 2010 are gone, with some exclusions10:08
KotCzarnyirc is there10:08
freemangordonyeah10:08
KotCzarnyand other fluffs are just that, fluffs, that go with the wind after a year or two10:08
freemangordonI am sure you got what I mean10:08
KotCzarnyand i think xmpp is also supported10:09
freemangordonit is all about the choice, now we don;t10:09
KotCzarnyyup, it's not a feature phone with flashy interface for regular-joe10:09
freemangordonbut it was, back then10:09
KotCzarnywas it? i got an idea that it was hacker's phone since the beginning10:09
freemangordonbesides that, it was fully-functional multimedia and communication device10:10
KotCzarnyit still is10:10
freemangordonmhm10:10
KotCzarnyoscp runs perfectly fine, whereas many android phones lack such features10:10
KotCzarnyso i can play lots of file formats in one app with flexible interface10:11
KotCzarny(audio of course)10:12
KotCzarnysomeone recently said that regular users are quite dumb computer-wise10:16
KotCzarnywhich also explains why simple devices/software are selling10:16
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NeKithow to avoid DSME rebooting system on Devuan due to MMC failed to mount?11:17
KotCzarnyrecompile dmse to just oops instead of rebooting?11:18
KotCzarny*dsme11:18
KotCzarnytest on the device with mmc reader ?11:18
KotCzarnyfake it some other way?11:19
NeKitI asked because there should be a workaround already if freemangordon has it running on his VM, or I did something wrong11:20
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freemangordonNeKit: I doubt it is because of no mmc16:55
freemangordonmost probably it is because of a missing /var/lib/dsme/saved_state16:57
NeKitwhere should it come from?16:58
freemangordonfor now, create it by hane16:58
freemangordon*hand16:58
freemangordonit should contain "USER"16:59
freemangordonit comes from /sbin/preinit script, which is missing in devuan17:00
freemangordonNeKit: if doing "echo USER > /var/lib/dsme/saved_state" doesn't help, please provide syslog17:04
NeKitit helped, thank you17:04
freemangordoncool17:04
freemangordonwe should fix that at some point17:05
freemangordonPali: what is the sane way ^^^ ?17:05
Palirun getbootstate17:05
Palithat program generates saved_state17:05
freemangordonsure, but what it will do on x86?17:06
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Paliand should work with upstream kernel too (if you install it from cssu)17:06
freemangordonPali: x86-64 devuan here :)17:06
Paliit is for n900, not idea then17:06
Palicreate USER with echo17:06
freemangordonPali: the point was - can we get similar stuff on x86? acpi call or something?17:06
Palino, there is nothing like that in x86 world, or at least not standard17:07
freemangordonok17:07
Palithere are some proprietary extensions for notebook manufactors17:07
Palibut nothing documented...17:07
NeKitmaybe just default to USER in init script if there is no such file?17:08
freemangordonmhm17:09
freemangordonmake sense17:09
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freemangordonNeKit: so, you have it booting to hildon-desktop now?17:15
NeKitnot yet, still missing deps for it17:15
NeKitdid you build osso-af-utils? it's required by osso-af-init, but not in fremantle-gtk217:15
freemangordonyes, it should be in maemo repos17:16
* freemangordon checks17:16
NeKitit's there, yes17:17
NeKitcommunity-ssu on github17:17
freemangordonyes, but I guess I should put it in the repo17:17
freemangordonis it there?17:17
freemangordonhmm17:17
freemangordonNeKit: it doesn;t build, I am going to fix it17:20
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NeKitso it was not needed before?17:26
freemangordonit was, I have fixed it locally17:29
freemangordonbut didn;t put it on github17:29
freemangordonwill do it now17:29
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freemangordonNeKit: it is ready18:09
freemangordonNeKit: you will also need to pull maemo-system-services as well, I fixed dh_installxsession too18:10
freemangordonNeKit: please report (or open issue on github) if there are more missing/broken/etc packages18:12
freemangordonhmm, why are not issues enabled by default?18:13
freemangordonNeKit: do you want me to add you as a member of fremantle-gtk2 org?18:15
freemangordonWizzup: the same question to you, I guess you're going to be the release manager, so you need write access to the repos to update debian/changelog files18:19
Wizzupthat will be useful, but I don't need access right now18:21
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freemangordonWizzup: no maemo timeslice?18:22
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WizzupI meant that I'll need it when amprolla is set up properly18:23
freemangordonWizzup: parazyd said he is working on it, so soon or later it will be ready18:23
freemangordonI think it is better to have the packages ready by that time18:23
Wizzupagreed. ok, yes please, then :)18:23
freemangordonWizzup: most, if not all of the packages need their debian/changelog fixed for devuan (and versions as well)18:24
freemangordonwhat is you github nick?18:24
freemangordonwizzup?18:24
Wizzupno18:25
Wizzup'MerlijnWajer'18:25
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freemangordonWizzup: you should have an invitation18:28
NeKitfreemangordon, thanks, but no need for now, I think18:30
freemangordonNeKit: ok. but still, please report if you find issues so I can fix them18:31
NeKitshould upstart-dev be replaced by maemo-system-services-dev?18:35
freemangordonyes18:35
freemangordonNeKit: you should install upstream upstart18:36
freemangordonand maemo-system-services, maemo-system-services-dev18:36
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NeKithow to go around osso-icons-default conflict with hicolor-icon-theme?19:17
freemangordonhmm, I can;t remember of a such conflict19:22
freemangordonNeKit: what is the conflict?19:23
NeKitdpkg: error processing archive osso-icons-default_2.5.0+0m5_all.deb (--install):19:24
NeKit trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme', which is also in package hicolor-icon-theme 0.13-119:24
NeKitremoving it will also going to remove gtk-3.0 and clutter19:25
freemangordonyou don;t need gtk3.019:25
freemangordonhmm, wait19:26
freemangordonnow I remember I had to repackage it19:27
freemangordonNeKit: try with http://46.249.74.23/devuan/osso-icons-default_2.5.0+0m5_all.deb19:28
freemangordoncan't remember why I had to repackage it, maybe because I had to remove some dependencies19:29
freemangordonNeKit: there is something weird, dpkg -L hicolor-icon-theme | grep index gives empty result here19:31
NeKitthat's interesting19:34
NeKithicolor-icon-theme/stable,now 0.13-1 all [installed,automatic]19:34
NeKitis it same version?19:34
freemangordonyes19:35
freemangordonii  hicolor-icon-theme                   0.13-119:36
NeKithttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/hicolor-icon-theme/filelist19:37
freemangordonno idea :)19:38
freemangordonhttp://pastebin.com/nCXFrQmv19:39
freemangordonNeKit: http://pastebin.com/acW8aW4R19:41
NeKityes, the same19:42
NeKitis there a possibility that hicolor-icon-theme was also repackaged though?19:42
freemangordonno19:43
freemangordonlemme reinstall it19:43
freemangordonhmm19:44
freemangordontrying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme', which is also in package osso-icons-default 2.5.0+0m519:44
freemangordonmaybe I used --force-all to install osso icons19:44
freemangordoncan't really remember19:44
NeKitmakes sense then, it installed with that flag19:45
NeKitdo you still have the source you used to repackage icons package?19:45
freemangordonI repackaged from .deb19:45
freemangordondon't have a source package19:45
freemangordonwe need to find another packge with free icons19:47
KotCzarnygnome like or ?19:48
freemangordonthe license for osso-icons-default does not allow redistribution19:48
freemangordonKotCzarny: maemo-like :)19:48
KotCzarnyand gpled most likely?19:48
freemangordonKotCzarny: yeah19:48
KotCzarnywe need a graphics designer19:48
freemangordonbut I think there are already such packages in maemo repos19:49
freemangordonKotCzarny: like https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6580119:49
KotCzarnyi think i saw that icon pack somewhere19:50
KotCzarnygoogle: clarity icon theme19:50
KotCzarny(and yeah, i've snatched them into oscp too ;)19:51
freemangordonhmm, what? https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/lucid/hildon-icons/19:51
freemangordonhehe19:52
freemangordonhttp://archive.debian.org/debian//pool/main/h/hildon-icons/19:52
KotCzarnyheeh19:52
KotCzarnymaybe in sdk there is another icon theme package?19:53
freemangordonhmm, how to remove a package while installing a replacement?19:54
KotCzarny--ignore-deps ?19:54
KotCzarnyor something19:54
freemangordon--forece-all did the job19:55
freemangordon*--force-all19:55
KotCzarnyyeah, i'm always forgetting the names19:55
KotCzarnyi love how m$ 'antimalware service executable' brings the system to a grind, irony runs deep here19:59
ShadowJKAnd sadly it's the lightest one out there20:14
KotCzarnyShadowJK: hehe, but i think eset is quite decent and much better than m$ offering20:23
KotCzarnynot free though20:23
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ShadowJKAt what part does it kick in?21:28
ShadowJKAt some point I lose track of why they want/need vfat/fat32 on internal emmc-type storage21:31
KotCzarny17% more slowly22:02
KotCzarnybuahahahaha22:02
KotCzarnyshittalk22:02
KotCzarnyoh, hey, it will take 117s instead of 100s, its horrible22:03
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KotCzarnyand it all could be solved by some symlinking :P22:19
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merlin1991why the fuck would one want to emulate fat32...23:00
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KotCzarny640kB is enough for everyone!23:09
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: (at what part) I simply can't make up my mind23:18
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DocScrutinizer05prolly depends on how many BS the particular reader can take before it's too much23:19
DocScrutinizer05starting at ancient legacy, to most recent decisions, and the complete lack of common sense in all that23:19
DocScrutinizer05with introduction of MTP the latest, they lost any reason to keep that VFAT crap around, and thus could have reverted to sane ACLs and whatnot, all proven age old unix stuff to solve age old "problems" like access permissions23:22
DocScrutinizer05or DUH   ...   SElinux?23:22
DocScrutinizer05apparmor?23:22
DocScrutinizer05mount namespaces?23:23
jonwilA big part of why fat/fat32 continues to exist is that its the best filesystem when a device wants to expose its data via USB Mass Storage (i.e. MyDocs on N900)23:28
DocScrutinizer05to start with: it's the responsibility of $APP to keep any security critical stuff confidential against other processes under same user/permission23:28
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: see what I said (and they wrote) about MTP23:28
MaxdamantusSo does MTP have seek now?23:30
MaxdamantusMm, Wikipedia lists "GetPartialObject64" and "SendPartialObject" under the Android extension of it.23:33
Maxdamantusoh, there's some MTP 1.1 that has at least "GetPartialObject"23:34
Wizzupfreemangordon: got the invite, will accept it when I get home tomorrow eve, I'll resume the package building and note taking, maybe automate the building with a simple script until parazyd finishes amprolla23:34
Wizzupthis week is sightly busy due to the tor dev meeting in amsterdam23:34
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buZz> An N900 with pali's U-Boot installed.23:43
buZzhow do i get this?23:43
buZzi guess it refers to https://github.com/pali/u-boot-maemo/ ?23:43
Palihttps://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161323:44
buZzoh hi pali :D23:44
buZzhmm ok, so i should first get this n900 over to CSSU ?23:45
Paliu-boot is independent of cssu23:46
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buZzhm ok23:48
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