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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup_: It's OK, iirc the guys in charge at devuan already said they need to set up some new bits to keep maemo repo separate from the automatism that merges everything into devuan, or somesuch. So they just should not take the additional effort to move the fremantle repo to this config, rather they could nuke fremantle repo and set up a new config for the maemo separate repo | 00:16 |
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| Wizzup_ | OK - I'm waiting for them to tell me 'GO' though | 00:17 |
| Wizzup_ | (I have some other work to do for another foss proj anyway) | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please let them know you don't want the new repo being called fremantle! | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would be somewhat inpolite to let them set up everything with name "fremantle" and then to ask for a renaming | 00:19 |
| Wizzup_ | parazyd: can you do that^ ? | 00:21 |
| how900 | what name should it be Wizzup_ ? | 00:21 |
| parazyd | Wizzup_: iirc the interface should allow you to change it | 00:21 |
| parazyd | how900: o/ | 00:21 |
| how900 | parazyd: found your present? | 00:22 |
| parazyd | hmm? | 00:22 |
| Wizzup_ | parazyd: let me try. | 00:22 |
| how900 | on your desk | 00:22 |
| parazyd | how900: when? wasn't bridging today | 00:22 |
| how900 | yesterday | 00:22 |
| parazyd | also wasn't | 00:22 |
| parazyd | :) | 00:22 |
| parazyd | now i'm curious | 00:22 |
| Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: 'maemo' then? | 00:22 |
| how900 | yeah I know :P | 00:22 |
| Wizzup_ | freemangordon: ^^^ | 00:22 |
| Wizzup_ | Just going to rename to 'maemo' | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo*, yes. I have no strong notion about e.g. maemo5, or even maemo-devuan, or maemo-fremantle or whatever you like. As long as googling for maemo will reveal it | 00:26 |
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| Wizzup_ | ok | 00:27 |
| Wizzup_ | I'll go for maemo | 00:27 |
| parazyd | remember to change your git origins :p | 00:27 |
| Wizzup_ | yeah, sure :) | 00:27 |
| Wizzup_ | https://git.devuan.org/groups/maemo | 00:28 |
| parazyd | \o/ | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) https://git.devuan.org/groups/neo900 | 00:58 |
| Wizzup_ | :) | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just on a sidenote, nothing relevant for public in there | 00:59 |
| parazyd | soon(TM) :0 | 01:02 |
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| parazyd | nobody of the chiefs is giving signs of life on #devuan yet... | 01:03 |
| * Wizzup_ going to bed | 01:11 | |
| parazyd | o/ | 01:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maemo makes sense to me for the group name. | 01:16 |
| parazyd | indeed | 01:17 |
| parazyd | and as DocScrutinizer05 says, it will be easier for people to find it by googling | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also fre_E_mantle is a blacklisted term and never must get used seriously in maemo context, for a number of reasons: already too many typos in existing docs that actually meant 'fremantle', and http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Freemantle | 01:31 |
| Wizzup_ | lol @ ud | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~codenames | 01:33 |
| infobot | i guess codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~#maemo codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 01:34 |
| infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 01:34 |
| Wizzup_ | ~maemo-codenames | 01:34 |
| Wizzup_ | ~codenames | 01:34 |
| infobot | i heard codenames is http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames | 01:34 |
| Wizzup_ | :) | 01:34 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 notices that PR1.0 to PR1.3.1 all are 'Maemo5.0" - this gives inspiration for thoughts | 01:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what's about Maemo5.2 for example? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...unless the wiki is wrong | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think CSSU might qualify for "Maemo5.1" meanwhile ;-) | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with mandatory glibs and kernel update the latest | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | glibc* | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw - for the bot lesson of today: | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~_default codenames | 01:42 |
| infobot | i guess codenames is buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), Woody=Stable (3.0) Sarge=Testing Unstable=Sid, or see tsc_codenames for those of the technical support crews | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo factoidSearch | 01:43 |
| infobot | factoidSearch for #maemo is '$chan _default' | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #neo900 factoidSearch | 01:44 |
| infobot | factoidSearch for #neo900 is '$chan #maemo _default' | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chanset #maemo-ssu factoidSearch | 01:45 |
| infobot | factoidSearch for #maemo-ssu is '$chan #maemo _default' | 01:45 |
| Juesto | wut | 01:50 |
| Juesto | and yes fremantle is a australian city | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so? | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's also last name of a dozen known persons, a wind, and whatnot else | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki fremantle | 02:01 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremantle (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{About||the suburb|Fremantle (suburb)|other uses|Fremantle (disambiguation)}} {{Use Australian English|date=October 2012}} {{Use dmy dates|date=October 2012}} {{Infobox Australian place | type = city | name = Fremantle | city = Perth | state = wa | image = Aerial view of Fremantle.JPG | caption = Aerial view of Fremantle | latd = 32 | latm = 03 | lats = 25 | longd = 115 | longm = ... | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki fremantle (disambiguation) | 02:02 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fremantle_(disambiguation) (URL), Wikipedia explains: "'Fremantle' is a city in Western Australia. 'Fremantle' may also refer to: {{TOC right}} * Places related to Fremantle, the port city of Perth, the capital of Western Australia, Australia ** Division of Fremantle, a federal division of the Australian House of Representatives ** Electoral district of Fremantle, a state lower house electoral district ** Fremantle ... | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: ((soon)) was about neo900, and it won't show anything public soon, we use it as internal trac | 02:05 |
| Juesto | why/what for? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for fun, just for fun | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, what's been the question? | 02:06 |
| Juesto | about neo900 what you said above | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind, it been addressed to parazyd | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly a reply to [2017-02-03 Fri 00:02:54] <parazyd> soon(TM) :0 | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | warfare: juiceme: Registry Expiry Date: 2017-02-07T16:26:32Z | 02:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whois maemo.org | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw musing about a devuan.maemo.org CNAME whatever.devuan.org | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a "3xx permanently moved" is smarter though | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since aiui it can handle not only (sub)domains but actually pathnames like git.devuan.org/groups/maemo | 02:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Any future update should be PRx.x not Maemo5.x IMO. | 03:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also go Dockers ;) | 03:09 |
| Maxdamantus | Just make an HTML page with a frameset that has the devuan git in one of the frames. | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: teh question is what actually establishes a new minor revision | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a port of fremantle to devuan upstream (for whatever that means) rather justifies a new major revision like maemo7 than a keeping of major.minor revision at 5.0 and just calling it a new PR | 03:30 |
| Maxdamantus | What would actually be released? | 03:32 |
| Maxdamantus | A new image to flash to people's phones? | 03:32 |
| Maxdamantus | That would just be Devuan with some packages installed like hildon-desktop, browserd, etc | 03:33 |
| Juesto | Yes | 03:55 |
| Juesto | that's the final goal | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: sorry what? | 04:00 |
| Juesto | see above | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no, you | 07:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how Juesto could know about I final goal DocScrutinizer05 never heard of | 07:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and who defined that | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and how that's in any way related to the lines posted in here since [2017-02-03 Fri 01:07:07] <Juesto> about neo900 what you said above | 07:15 |
| * Juesto shrugs | 07:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a prime number | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | green | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why didn't we do that earlier? | 07:21 |
| Juesto | what are you talking about | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are YOU talking about? | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, maybe you answered to some post I have on /ignore? | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh indeed, sorry | 07:23 |
| Juesto | feel free to check the logs | 07:23 |
| Juesto | did you? | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and no, that's not the goal, a devuan image with some maemo packages on top is vastly pointless regarding *maemo* | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I rather think 'the final goal' of any major community activity during the last days was to eventually establish a maemo UX, on a device for which a devuan image exists that could get installed | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you won't achive that by throwing a few packages on top of a plain devuan | 07:29 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 07:29 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yep, maemo 7 that is | 07:29 |
| freemangordon | at least I add -0m7 to the packages I think are ported so far | 07:30 |
| freemangordon | package names that is | 07:30 |
| freemangordon | Juesto: my final goal is a new distro, maemo 5 rebased on top of devuan | 07:33 |
| Juesto | right | 07:33 |
| freemangordon | not just a couple of packages recompiled against devuan | 07:34 |
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| Maxdamantus | So you basically want what Ubuntu is to Debian? | 07:44 |
| Maxdamantus | another system that has to be periodically rebased onto Debian/Devuan? | 07:44 |
| freemangordon | yep | 07:44 |
| Maxdamantus | So .. presumably maemo is going to have its own completely independent repository? | 07:46 |
| Maxdamantus | just like Ubuntu has? | 07:46 |
| Maxdamantus | and supposedly .. someone .. will update it to have the current versions of packages from Debian .. just like Ubuntu does | 07:46 |
| Maxdamantus | and the updates won't get less and less frequent over time? | 07:47 |
| freemangordon | rather no, that is why we are going to put maemo stuff on devuan servers | 07:47 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. In that case it seems like it would just be Devuan with more packages. | 07:47 |
| Maxdamantus | either with an additional repository, or just the standard repository where the Maemo-specific packages will already live. | 07:48 |
| * freemangordon is still having his first coffee | 07:48 | |
| freemangordon | Maxdamantus: right, this is more correct | 07:48 |
| Maxdamantus | Mk, I think Ubuntu puts a lot of effort into its rebasing over Debian. | 07:49 |
| freemangordon | Mk? | 07:49 |
| Maxdamantus | mm/okay | 07:49 |
| freemangordon | sorry, I am sleepy :) | 07:49 |
| Maxdamantus | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh7l8dx-h8M | 07:50 |
| Maxdamantus | Heh. | 07:50 |
| juiceme | Morning. | 07:59 |
| juiceme | DocScrutinizer05, unless I am mistaken warfare has set maemo.org entry to autorenew. | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | DAMN! | 08:03 |
| freemangordon | yeah, something got broken re your network connectivity | 08:04 |
| freemangordon | or it was systemd proviking kernel oops? | 08:04 |
| freemangordon | *provoking | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | IRC client unsolicited quit | 09:05 |
| Wizzup_ | Maxdamantus: more correct is adding packcages to devuan who rebase on debian | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as much as I hate systemd, I guess the culprit here either is dbus or some library mismatch | 09:07 |
| Wizzup_ | but to another repo | 09:08 |
| Wizzup_ | well systemd pushes dbus | 09:08 |
| Wizzup_ | anyway. bbl | 09:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird thing: it doesn't look like segfault | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe ulimit | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't linux offer a sort of trap that catches and signals ulimt excursions? | 09:10 |
| Juesto | gdb | 09:11 |
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| KotCzarny | i wonder why no one invented OS overlays yet | 09:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | gdb is no trap, it's a monitor | 09:15 |
| KotCzarny | re: naming, freemaemo? ;) | 09:16 |
| KotCzarny | as in 'freemangordonmaemo' ;) | 09:16 |
| Juesto | lol | 09:17 |
| Maxdamantus | Wizzup_: sure. At least Devuan has a better chance of providing that maintenance for longer. | 09:21 |
| Maxdamantus | though .. I'm kind of sceptical tbh | 09:21 |
| Wizzup_ | sceptical of what? | 09:28 |
| Wizzup_ | we don't have a huge dependency on devuan per se | 09:28 |
| Wizzup_ | I am doing the testing/building on debian jessie | 09:28 |
| Juesto | maemo had packages on debian once | 09:28 |
| Juesto | they lasted only one release | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaaaah! >> If the process continues to consume CPU time, it will be sent SIGXCPU once per second until the hard limit is reached, at which time it is sent SIGKILL<< | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SIGXCPU - never heard of | 09:39 |
| Juesto | :o | 09:40 |
| Wizzup_ | is it receiving that signal? | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | possibly | 09:41 |
| Maxdamantus | 20:28:08 < Wizzup_> sceptical of what? | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least now I learned it's #24 | 09:41 |
| Maxdamantus | That Devuan will still be alive in a few years. | 09:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders testing a killall -SIGXCPU konversation | 09:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's maybe not very likely that SIGXCPU triggered exactly on relogin which been from the daily DSL-reconnect | 09:43 |
| Wizzup_ | Maxdamantus: hence my next statement | 09:43 |
| Maxdamantus | Right, my comment was really about the feasibility of distributions that are actual forks of other ones. | 09:44 |
| Maxdamantus | whether "Maemo" is a bunch of packages in Debian or Devuan isn't that important .. it's probably a bad idea to have it as a fork of one of those systems. | 09:45 |
| Wizzup_ | they are not really a fork | 09:46 |
| Maxdamantus | (should've said "would be", to be clear that the direction people seem to be going in seems to be the right one) | 09:46 |
| Wizzup_ | they just replace packages they don't want with alternatives | 09:46 |
| Wizzup_ | everything else is imported directly from debian | 09:46 |
| Wizzup_ | perhaps not even rebuild :) | 09:46 |
| Wizzup_ | (I would guess) | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway :-(( @ man setrlimit|grep -A 10 RLIMIT_AS|grep -B 10 'unlimited.$' | 09:50 |
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| warfare | DocScrutinizer05, juiceme: Yes, maemo.org is on autorenew. I'd just forget to renew otherwise. | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, new thing to me | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway thanks! :-) | 09:59 |
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| KotCzarny | coding regatta doesnt look especially good for maemo (most submissions went into mer/sfos) | 10:02 |
| KotCzarny | still, not bad for a 7 year old OS | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | *years | 10:09 |
| inz | *7-year-old | 10:11 |
| KotCzarny | can we settle on 7yo ? | 10:12 |
| inz | wfm | 10:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly nasty: this F*&$!!CK!NG IRC client doesn't store any settings when quitting abnormally | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, what do devels think when they develop such shite? | 10:17 |
| inz | boobs, probably | 10:18 |
| KotCzarny | booby traps | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | changing any arbitrary setup demands stopping the cliuent regularly, to not lose it when system goes down for whatever reason? | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, *at least* a "save settings" menu item, pretty please with sugar and cream on top? | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >:-( | 10:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well is it about deciding on a major/minor revision? It seems more like starting a whole new distro from reading the back scroll from my last comment. | 10:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | That probably justifies a new name, obviously keeping Maemo due to SEO/copyright benefits. Maybe a new wind codename? | 10:31 |
| KotCzarny | how do you call the wind before avalanche? | 10:32 |
| KotCzarny | or the one that blows continually over the years | 10:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | avalanche isn't a wind, it's falling rocks.... | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but wind can cause avalanche (rocks or snow one) | 10:35 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hurricane | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | foehn maybe? | 10:37 |
| KotCzarny | (wind from the mountains) | 10:37 |
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| KotCzarny | also written fohn or fen | 10:37 |
| Wizzup_ | DocScrutinizer05: irssi does that | 10:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | In line with Maemo codenames:- Levanto, Maestro, Norte, Ostria, Pali, Pampero... Zephyros | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | lol, there is a wind named pali? | 10:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Foehn seems to be related to Chinook. | 10:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 10:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also Ostria:- A warm southerly wind on the Bulgarian coast | 10:42 |
| inz | What about flatus | 10:44 |
| inz | The funniest wind of them all | 10:44 |
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| parazyd | how900: lovely <3 | 15:03 |
| parazyd | thank you | 15:03 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: never heard that word, where did you get it from? | 16:51 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: http://ggweather.com/winds.html | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | well if doing alphabetical order, next wind should be i-k | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | so knik or kona | 20:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there not alphabetical as such hence Mistral and Sirocco | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: weird. I wonder where this word comes from, it is definitely not slavic | 20:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Seem Austrian somehow from searches | 20:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Not much information from a quick search | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | and a wind in Bulgaria is called that? ok, could be. if internet says so :) | 20:28 |
| freemangordon | anyway | 20:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | The American Meteorology Society... | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | mhm | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | ok then, if americans say so :D | 20:30 |
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| freemangordon | but I definitely like the idea of continuing Nokia's naming scheme | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | using winds that is | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | maybe if we name it after Pali he will join the development :p | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | tbh, it will be using mainline kernel which wouldnt happen without his help | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | sure. but still | 20:33 |
| parazyd | mistral is probably italian | 20:34 |
| parazyd | we have it also in the coastline in .hr | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | mistral is already taken | 20:34 |
| parazyd | just saying | 20:35 |
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| xes | maestrale, scirocco... tramontana | 20:47 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | I like the wind codenames too, here's a more comprehensive list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_local_winds | 21:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Mistral and Scirocco where Maemo 2 and 2.1 | 21:32 |
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| parazyd | BURA | 21:58 |
| parazyd | it's the strongest wind in .hr coast after tramontana | 21:58 |
| parazyd | blows from north | 21:58 |
| parazyd | ah, it's bora in english | 21:59 |
| joga | this has had me wondering for a while... I mostly recharge my n900 with a sony ebook reader charger (since it's the neatest ~2A USB charger I have) and it works fine, but I also have an Anker 15Ah powerbank (which is quite nice I think), I've had trouble lately connecting the phone to it. the 2A port hasn't really worked with the n900, but 1A has been fine, but like six months ago I've had to plug the cable | 22:31 |
| joga | in reeaally slow, then it works fine, but if ... | 22:31 |
| joga | ... I just tug it in quickly it doesn't start charging... I've tried different cables but it hasn't seemed there's much difference there except mechanically | 22:31 |
| parazyd | your microUSB might have started dying | 22:32 |
| parazyd | it's a known issue | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | I had a nightmare last night where my last N900's USB port broke off. | 22:32 |
| parazyd | luke-jr: haha i remember, you were travelling iirc | 22:32 |
| joga | I mean, it works and I can charge, but I'm wondering about the mechanical part there, like what happens when I slowly plug stuff in vs. that I "normally" plug them in regarding charging | 22:32 |
| parazyd | luke-jr: when one broke | 22:32 |
| joga | parazyd, yeah I know of the isue | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | parazyd: yeah :< | 22:32 |
| parazyd | joga: if you know how to open it, you can solder the port to the pcb | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | ^ not really | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | way too small components | 22:33 |
| joga | I just haven't had the nerve to solder the stuff since I use the phone all the time :D but I've tried to be really careful with it when plugging in chargers for many years now, I've had it for almost like, I dunno, 7-8 years? | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | *maybe* if there wasn't anything around it | 22:33 |
| joga | I looked into this with an actually broken unit and yeah it was tedious | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | joga: it's easier to solder/glue it for strength before it breaks | 22:34 |
| joga | veeery easy to fuck it all | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | luke-jr: didnt you announce already saying bye-bye to n900 ? | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | (this doesn't help if you're getting off a plane and the cord snags tho) | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | KotCzarny: yes | 22:34 |
| parazyd | luke-jr: i was thinking on the pcb itself, not to strenghten the connections/joints | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | I haven't used mine more than 60 minutes in months | 22:34 |
| Juesto | And how does one fix and strengthen the usb port after ir breaks? | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | parazyd: that's not practical | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 22:34 |
| Juesto | it* | 22:34 |
| parazyd | for those you'd need some better equipment than your usual store-bought soldering iron | 22:35 |
| joga | but I'm still using it and it works fine for now, I'm just wondering the reason why it behaves like that depending on the way I plug the cable in (or, the speed), and what goes on in the background, because I don't really know how the charging logic works | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | the hard part is getting access to it | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | joga: could be a weak USB port about to break; or it could be a non-spec charger | 22:35 |
| Juesto | design issue? | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | if it's a non-spec charger, you might be able to mod it | 22:35 |
| luke-jr | gotta short the data pins | 22:36 |
| joga | I've read the instructions to fix it before it happens, like scraping some stuff off and soldering the connector more tightly, but as I said, I haven't done it because I'm chicken after I sorta practiced with an already broken one that was really finicky ;) | 22:37 |
| joga | and I need this gorgeous phone! | 22:37 |
| joga | luke-jr, the charger is most likely fine, but also has been in (ab)use for some time so it might also be that it's just the culprit | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | joga: most devices don't care if the charger is spec compliant | 22:38 |
| joga | but I don't recall other devices it doesn't work fine with with either port | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | N900 does | 22:38 |
| luke-jr | if those data pins aren't shorted, N900 will refuse to charge from it | 22:39 |
| joga | well this is a sorta reputable company product I think, and the capacity matches the spec | 22:39 |
| joga | well it does charge, *if* I plug it in correctly | 22:39 |
| joga | and that's what I'm wondering about, the technical reason behind that | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | note that some Apple devices don't like the spec, so many chargers prefer Apple compatibility over spec | 22:39 |
| joga | yeah I don't give two foos for apple stuff | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | the charger companies do | 22:40 |
| joga | too bad I have to sometimes help people with those things | 22:40 |
| joga | anyway, it used to work fine with the 1A port without careful plugging in | 22:40 |
| joga | so what I'm still wondering is where in some code / mechanical stuff is the thing that says "yeah that was slow enough and I had the time to do this whatever, bring it on" | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | my guess is the 1A port is spec, and the 2A port is Apple-compatible | 22:41 |
| joga | but it doesn't really matter :) | 22:41 |
| luke-jr | and something to do with the USB cable somehow tricks N900 if you do it right | 22:41 |
| joga | could also be that I've damaged the n900 charging somehow during the years | 22:42 |
| joga | I'm still sorta proud it has been serving serious daily usage since forever | 22:42 |
| joga | :) | 22:42 |
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| parazyd | one here is running a web server on devuan :) | 22:47 |
| Juesto | :P | 22:57 |
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| Maxdamantus | If it's a non-spec charger, presumably you can do something in software to get it to still charge. | 23:10 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe writing 500 or something to the max_current file in sysfs at the right time, dunno. | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | joga: USB jack gas VBUS and GND make-first-break-last | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/gas/has/ | 23:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: joga: USB jack has VBUS and GND make-first-break-last | 23:12 |
| Maxdamantus | current_limit* | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can see the contacts being longer | 23:12 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, what does that mean? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | D+/- short signals gastcharger, so device starts charging with up to 1A, which might make your power vank freak out | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you plug in slowly, N900 sees no D+/- short and thus charges with max 500mA or even just 100mA | 23:14 |
| joga | *beavis/butthead snortle* power vank | 23:14 |
| joga | hmm | 23:14 |
| parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: how does it recognize if you plug in "slowly"? i fail to see the logic of "slowly" | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: joga: USB jack has VBUS and GND make-first-break-last | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-02-03 Fri 22:12:42] <DocScrutinizer05> you can see the contacts being longer | 23:16 |
| joga | well, I guess it's a factor of many things, like the cable physical dimensions, timing etc. but this particular "plug this cable you used to use in a bit slower in and it'll work with the n900, other devices work just as they used to", which makes me sorta think the n900 port is perhaps just a bit cruddy or something | 23:16 |
| Maxdamantus | parazyd: because the D+/- pins are only shorted once the plug is fully in. | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 23:17 |
| parazyd | i see | 23:17 |
| parazyd | cool | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | D+/- contacts are shorter than GND and 5V_VBUS | 23:17 |
| joga | ie. I used it just fine, same cable, same n900 for quite some time (I forget, maybe 1.5 years or so), but only fairly recently noticed I needed to plug it in slow | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 1A is ABS MAX, only with totally depleted fresh battery | 23:18 |
| joga | but thanks for info DocScrutinizer05, I figured you'd know how this stuff works :) | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | old or partially depleted battery will draw way less than that | 23:18 |
| joga | I bought some cheap replacement battery a couple months ago | 23:19 |
| joga | but this problem started earlier | 23:19 |
| joga | fortunately it's not yet a showstopper, and maybe some day will just need to suck it and have something else if phones are still as relevant, but it's easy to say it's been the best goddamn phone ever for me :) | 23:21 |
| joga | (currently charging nicely from the powerbank) | 23:22 |
| * parazyd uses the 5800XM batteries | 23:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use a decent powerbank that can deliver 1A+ and has D+/- short | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively use charge21.sh | 23:23 |
| joga | DocScrutinizer05, it's this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7BP35M4543 | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I can't crystal-ball evaluate it ;-) | 23:24 |
| joga | runs a cubieboard a10 for about 32 hours or so I've thought it's quite up to spec | 23:24 |
| joga | I charge it every couple of months or so, just keep it with me | 23:25 |
| joga | depends how much I need to rely on it, but it has worked perfect with just about everything | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm using https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ORNOWZK?psc=1 with my powerbank, the "Output-II" has shorted D+/- :-) | 23:26 |
| joga | heh I've such a gadget too | 23:26 |
| joga | not 100% same but similar | 23:27 |
| joga | but that's also good to know.. | 23:27 |
| joga | because I think that's actually exactly what I usually charge it from: I have that thingy in between the e-reader charger! | 23:28 |
| joga | and I use the "output II" to charge random stuff like n900 | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw N900 chargerchip will also throw error if VBUS is too low (I guess <4V), so a weak flimsy cable or worn-out contacts in plugs can also cause trouble, the more the higher the current drawn | 23:28 |
| joga | (on the second port I have rpi zero keeping my taskwarrior :p) | 23:29 |
| joga | (takes 170mA or so) | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1 | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | means D+/- short detected | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh for your convenience | 23:36 |
| joga | err... wtf.. I "open link"'d that from gnome-terminal, firefox asked me to open with or save, I picked open with... and it opened it in vim.. | 23:38 |
| joga | didn't expect that.. | 23:39 |
| joga | guess it saner than running it straight but I don't remember setting firefox to open stuff in vim especially if I click a button indicating I can choose something | 23:40 |
| joga | (it didn't say it was going to use program X like vim to open it) | 23:41 |
| joga | oh now I get it, I didn't actually click the "Browse"-button, but just had "open with" selected and clicked ok | 23:43 |
| joga | so it just sorta uses something, agh | 23:43 |
| Juesto | lol | 23:44 |
| joga | I dunno but it sorta seems exploitable :p | 23:45 |
| Juesto | :) | 23:46 |
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