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| Michael_a380 | Doubtful, but can the n9 seamlessly access an n900's SD card (via bluetooth)? Is a 'charger cover', a must? | 14:12 |
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| Michael_a380 | eMMC wear, is a concern | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | as long you dont run 24/7 camera writing app or do any other for of constant writing its ok | 14:16 |
| L29Ah | i'd say you should expect 1000 cycles | 14:17 |
| sicelo- | dunno if we're exposing anything from N900 via obex (but most likely it should be possible to enable/setup) .. then on your N9 you just need a client of sorts | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | you can install tinysmb | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | easiest imo | 14:18 |
| Michael_a380 | Thanks. Will likely pick it up next week. | 14:22 |
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| L29Ah | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/13/whatsapp-backdoor-allows-snooping-on-encrypted-messages | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | ahahahaha | 15:04 |
| KotCzarny | se-coocoo-rity | 15:04 |
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| sicelo- | wow | 15:15 |
| sicelo- | let me read that | 15:15 |
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| joga | news at eleven... | 15:32 |
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| Vajb | hehe. Now we just wait for the similar reveal from telegram. | 16:07 |
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| Vajb | im noticing some wear on my device. Screen is having a little wobble when opened when closed it closes a bit too far. Like body and screen r not alligned, but screen is maybe two millimeters lower than body. Is this something to get worried over, or might there be some screw getting loose? | 19:25 |
| Vajb | when opened. When closed....* | 19:25 |
| Vajb | device in question is n900 | 19:26 |
| KotCzarny | buy n900 with broken modem but perfect chassis for dirt cheap and swap? | 19:36 |
| Vajb | well i have 3 of them already ;) | 19:40 |
| Vajb | but i was wondering if this is more like known problem or just me. | 19:41 |
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| KotCzarny | it happens | 19:51 |
| KotCzarny | mechanical devices wear out too | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | misalignment is very unusual | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'wobbly' not *so* much | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check the 4 phillips screws under battery cover (not the 2 torx holding the kbd frame) | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but if they're loose, they still wouldn't allow for X/Y offset, only for Z tilt and distance misadjustment | 20:05 |
| Vajb | thx, will do | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~l1_2 | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ping | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the bot starts annoying me | 20:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 needs to write a irc client script to automatically reboot the bot | 20:25 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~l1_2 | 20:26 |
| infobot | it has been said that l1_2 is http://pdadb.net/download/nokia_n900_rx-51_service_manual_l1-l2_v1_0.pdf | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: ^^^ | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | picture 6) page 12 | 20:30 |
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| Vajb | okay | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also carefully follow 1) p.19! | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops 2) | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 15Ncm! | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | max | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use 100% ok screwdriver of fitting size! | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you have no idea what's 15Ncm, twist the screwdriver shaft (usually ~10mm diameter) between fingertips of thumb and digit finger, by "rubbing" the fingertips in opposite direction | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do NOT grab the complete screwdriver and turn it from your wrist | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and again: using a high quality 100% undamaged pristine screwdriver of matching size is vital | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you found your screwdriver slips since it's wrong size or worn out, it's too late and damage to screw head done | 20:42 |
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| Vajb | yeah i know my way around screw heads :) | 20:54 |
| Vajb | i use few hundreds of thousands in a year while work | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good :-D | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: then you're the right person to ask if you consider my instructions appropriate then | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I always feel it a tricky task to explain technically correct procedure to laymen | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they come up with interpretations and ideas I never had thought of | 21:10 |
| Vajb | well basically ur instructions were so accurate that even a monkey would have get the job done :D | 21:11 |
| Vajb | well that is if monkey understood speech tho | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 21:12 |
| Vajb | but nowadays problems is ill fitting tips | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:12 |
| Vajb | like we have ttip15 in use mostly | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly phillips ws spax, though no spax in size similar to PH00 I guess | 21:13 |
| Vajb | and sometimes they fit snuggly and sometimes not at all or they r loose | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err s/spax/pozidrive/ | 21:13 |
| Vajb | well to be honest i don't use machine screws that much, but screws for structural timber | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is there PZ00 ? | 21:14 |
| Vajb | well phillips was shit anyways :) | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | phillips are shit | 21:14 |
| Vajb | pozidrive was step to better, but real deal breaker is ttip torx | 21:14 |
| Vajb | if u have quality tip and screw... | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never even heard of ttip torx, is that torx+ ? | 21:16 |
| Vajb | oh it says ttip right on the tip | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never found a torx+ driver either | 21:16 |
| Vajb | it is torx head with a small hole in the middle | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure there's a difference between torx and torx+ | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | EEEEW those | 21:17 |
| Vajb | don't mix it with those which need hollow tip | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, I prolly just did | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just found TORX-TR | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TR==tamper resistant | 21:19 |
| Vajb | selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/ttap.htm | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh! interesting | 21:20 |
| Vajb | sorry, but official brand was ttap not torx at all. Guess i don't know the names of pieces im dealing with daily basis | 21:21 |
| Vajb | gonna check at monday if the tip says ttip or ttap... | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe, not unusual | 21:22 |
| Vajb | but those r pretty good if they fit snuggly to each other | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway nice improved plain TORX design, easier insertion but seems to be compatible to plain TX drivers | 21:22 |
| Vajb | yes it is, but result is very wobbly and u need two hands for the starters usually | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Authentic TTAP® combined with TORX® and TORX PLUS® Drive Systems<< | 21:23 |
| Vajb | while with ttap u just need the machine holding hand | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what the heck *is* TORX PLUS? | 21:23 |
| Vajb | it seems to have different shape of head | 21:24 |
| Vajb | just googled it | 21:25 |
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| Vajb | if u thing of torx as sharp ridges on circle. Torx plus is dull ridges on circle | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eew. iirc the screws in N900 are TX+. not TX | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | daqmn, there's even TORX PLUS MAXX and that looks like Bristol rather than TORX | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopf17764.png vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_wrench | 21:36 |
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| Vajb | got disconnected while i looked at the screws, so basically got screwed by screws | 21:39 |
| Vajb | eh, anyways they look plain torx to me 2pcs and 4 regular phillips | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/01/13/plasma-desktopb17764.png | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I never faced problems using T6 driver for them | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | despite they clearly say TORX+ 6 | 21:45 |
| Vajb | hmm it sure does | 21:48 |
| Vajb | t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtn1-NFS8Y4_VRXHmHRtMk5XNwK5-sZWSTppMTKQwgQ1HJJ0KKI9FIiw | 21:49 |
| Vajb | tho it doesn't look like that when looked at bad light in hotel ;) | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out to never try mount the phillips screws to the positions on kbd frame where the T6 should go, or they will come out on the outer surface! | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seen several devices with nasty 'warts' | 22:17 |
| Vajb | oh they r that much longer? | 22:19 |
| Vajb | i have those service manuals and i actually paged them through, but never actually open any n900 | 22:20 |
| Vajb | but it seems that sooner or later i have to take thisone a part because of mechanical wear | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, just so much longer you get a wart on surface | 22:21 |
| Vajb | buttons asdklzx and space have nearly all color gone | 22:21 |
| Vajb | seems i have fingers like abrasive paper | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to swap keymat, you only need to open the two T6 and remove kbd frame | 22:22 |
| Vajb | oh? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the paint on keymat is pathetic | 22:22 |
| Vajb | no need to separate screen and body | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no :-) | 22:23 |
| Vajb | cool | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a bit fumbly but feasible | 22:23 |
| Vajb | i might just swap mats with that selfrebooting version | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh your other device? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sure | 22:24 |
| Vajb | i have three n900. My firstone is that constantly rebooting one | 22:25 |
| Vajb | then this in use is my second which is stablest nokia i ever had! | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bootloop not fixable by reflash? | 22:25 |
| Vajb | and then i have third in "like a new" condition which came with original packaging! | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow, rare finding nowadays | 22:26 |
| Vajb | no bootloop. It works but reboots occasionally | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you check the dsme error counters? | 22:27 |
| Vajb | i have thumb there, but it was like that even with cssu stable | 22:27 |
| Vajb | did | 22:27 |
| Vajb | also sent syslog to pali, but there wasn't much to tell what is wrong | 22:27 |
| Vajb | he suspected hw wear | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nothing in mtdoops and dsme logs and syslog? | 22:27 |
| Vajb | prolly some overclocking or such | 22:28 |
| Vajb | i recall seeing many camera-ui restarts atleast | 22:28 |
| Vajb | but it's been awhile i tried dicking in to it | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, the culprit may be whatever, but usually you have a clearly identifiable reboot *reason* whatever triggered that reason | 22:29 |
| Vajb | hmm probably digging... | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does frequent camera-ui / camdriver restarts cause reboot? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not sure | 22:30 |
| Vajb | i think they do | 22:30 |
| Vajb | removing camera-ui didn't fix it :D | 22:30 |
| Vajb | i think that was when i moved to thumb | 22:30 |
| Vajb | coz i had to reflash coz of bootloop | 22:31 |
| Vajb | i've been lazy with it to be honest | 22:31 |
| Vajb | for several months i've planned to put identical system on it and test there all new apps or programs before putting them in my daily device | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS. my Iron900 sat on charger but acted_dead | 22:33 |
| Vajb | hell i might just as well try notorious apt-get upgrade with devel repo enabled ;) | 22:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 was silly enough to not properly restart it when it went down with batlow the very moment it got plugged to charger | 22:33 | |
| Vajb | oh? | 22:34 |
| Vajb | if i need to calibrate battery i usually wait till i see "charge battery" notify and then plug the charger before it shuts down. Is this wrong? | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~calibrate | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~calibration | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 22:35 |
| infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss | 22:35 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys battery | 22:35 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'battery' by key (13 of 17): battery-usage ;; battery ;; batterytest ;; battery life ;; batteryfaq ;; #maemo battery ;; heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; zaurus battery ;; battery disconnect switch ;; battery damage ;; batterypatch ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch. | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a two days ago I forgot to hook it up to charger when I came home. then I heard the notoriouls BILIBIBboing announcing bat low, I picked it up and plugged it to charger, but very same moment it went down with the final BILIBIB_BLIPBLIPboingBLIBBLIB | 22:36 |
| Vajb | oh noes i _had_ forgotten that notify sound.... | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AAAAWWWFUL | 22:37 |
| Vajb | one of the first things to disable | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hahahaha | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah I should replace it by something less disgusting | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too lazy though | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, now a 4 concurrent rsync processes hog my PC and N900 ;-P | 22:39 |
| Vajb | i disabled it completely | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools#backup | 22:40 |
| Vajb | well, time to get some sleep bbl | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>I probably could handle better the rare case where I'm away for >24h, but it doesn't create too much trouble, just a bit of useless wlan traffic<< yeah HAHAHA | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: o/ | 22:41 |
| Vajb | hehe did u just bit ur own leg there ;) | 22:41 |
| Vajb | \o | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, but it already finished, not much to rsync since device was off for a day or two | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, camera-ui might reboot | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# grep -R camera-ui /etc | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /etc/X11/Xsession.post/22camera-ui:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -t /usr/bin/camera-ui | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -t --start-restart=<cmd> Start a process | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (on process exit, restart max N times, | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then do SW reset) | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks big time, since aiui the true culprit is inside DSP code or pther blob | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | culprit for camera-ui segfaults/restarts | 22:48 |
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