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| fishbulb | hey I've never used whatsapp on anything other than an n900 | 05:18 |
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| fishbulb | how the hell do I log into it, the webapp says to take a photo of the qr code with my phone | 05:22 |
| jonwil | I dont think Whatsapp will work on the N900 | 05:25 |
| jonwil | You will probably get banned if you try | 05:25 |
| jonwil | Or maybe I am thinking of some other messaging app | 05:25 |
| fishbulb | no it used to work | 05:30 |
| fishbulb | now it doesn't | 05:30 |
| fishbulb | but now it's stuck in limbo or something | 05:30 |
| Oksana | QrCode... MBarcode on N900 is an app which can read a QRCode | 05:30 |
| fishbulb | yeah but it says to do that with whatsapp | 05:31 |
| fishbulb | which hasn't worked on the n900 for a year or something like that | 05:31 |
| * Oksana has never tried to use Whatsapp, so not idea how to make it work | 05:31 | |
| fishbulb | yappari I mean | 05:31 |
| fishbulb | well people use it | 05:32 |
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| Vajb | well not anymore since it hasn't been working for six months | 05:51 |
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| Oksana | Yappari sounds like extremely not working atm, going by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94465&page=155 | 06:04 |
| Oksana | Does Whatsapp have an Android app? Because I would like to make Apkenv work on N900... As maintainer said, the packaged apkenv_armel.deb may be for Harmattan, so a fremantle version of apkenv would have to be built from source code | 06:06 |
| Oksana | maintainer of apkenv, I mean | 06:06 |
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| Oksana | Anyway, why wouldn't Whatsapp be made as a telepathy plugin? Why separate app? | 06:07 |
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| ds3 | evil people more interested in stealing info and pushing ads | 06:22 |
| * Oksana thinks it's sarcasm... right? | 06:26 | |
| gry | yeah kick these suckers out of our repos and fork their shit | 06:29 |
| gry | re-release without ads lol | 06:29 |
| Oksana | gry: Language | 06:29 |
| gry | if it's not foss and ads are not cleanable up, then we have another problem... | 06:29 |
| gry | it's intentionally derogatory, last i saw ads was on android in our other house. i almost fell over when viewing the app store :P | 06:30 |
| Oksana | It's not an ads problem afaik, it's a compatibility problem maybe with whatsapp changing its API or something? | 06:30 |
| gry | oh if it's changed in a foss app i am sure it can be changed in telepathy plugin if telepathy is foss itself | 06:30 |
| gry | just Hard Work | 06:30 |
| gry | and if they don't have ads now doesn't mean they don't plan to do it later | 06:30 |
| gry | i remember when skype didn't have ads like 10 years ago | 06:31 |
| gry | then it started cause changed owners | 06:31 |
| gry | whatsapp can change owner as an excuse for starting to show ads, too :P | 06:31 |
| Oksana | yappari is open-source, even though Whatsapp server likely isn't | 06:31 |
| gry | that's up to them to do what they like on their server, although a proper api spec would be appreciated | 06:31 |
| Oksana | telepathy is foss, do you live under a rock or on a moon? | 06:31 |
| gry | both :) | 06:32 |
| * Oksana points to gry and chants "moon rabbit" | 06:32 | |
| gry | i can only moo in response because i don't know what sounds rabbits make :D | 06:32 |
| gry | i wouldn't waste time on whatapp though, gnu ring work sounds a fair bit more engaging as they don't have an adequate hildon client at this point :) | 06:33 |
| Oksana | Anyway, point is: depending on what exactly does not work in yappari, it may be easier to "fix" yappari or to develop a telepathy plugin from scratch | 06:33 |
| gry | (both! :) | 06:33 |
| gry | the more the better | 06:33 |
| Oksana | Does GNUStep have a Telepathy GUI? | 06:33 |
| gry | nope | 06:33 |
| gry | I think by the time the competition finishes, I'll be finishing packaging its IDE into debian, since it's a rather slow going process | 06:34 |
| gry | though I did find yesterday how to get sbuild to work | 06:34 |
| gry | so that's a plus | 06:34 |
| Oksana | Because if you work on GNUStep Telepathy GUI, and I work on telepathy plugin for ring, we will get ring working on both GNUStep and Hildon | 06:34 |
| gry | it's a bit engaging | 06:34 |
| gry | by the time I did that, my working memory was already a bit overwhelmed, so I could have moved to a next step but I didn't | 06:34 |
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| gry | and yes | 06:34 |
| gry | but on gnustep, apps are modular | 06:34 |
| gry | you don't have to fit everything into the telepathy corner for it to be reasonable | 06:35 |
| gry | you can write a 'im app' module and reuse it for different apps which look seemingly unrelated | 06:35 |
| gry | which means tons of code refactoring and i won't do it very soon, because i don't know the language or the platform very well | 06:35 |
| gry | also, i think your alarm clock is not working at all Oksana :) | 06:36 |
| Oksana | It does, I am just good at switching it off as soon as it alarms ;-) | 06:36 |
| gry | ok :) | 06:38 |
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| Vajb | gry: , Oksana , the problem with whatsap vs yappari is that whatsap implemented texsecure and yappari didn't receive any msg since that. Tries to implement it resulted a ban from whatsap servers. | 07:35 |
| Vajb | textsecure* | 07:35 |
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| ceene | gry: as Vajb says, it's not that WA doesn't support third party apps, it's that they actively block them | 09:19 |
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| Vajb | oh well all life is learning. As of today i learnt the awesome powers of 'mv -n' over graphically clicking skip. | 10:03 |
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| KotCzarny | embrace the commandline luke, we have cookies | 10:09 |
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| Vajb | what puzzles me is which one is the dark side. | 10:33 |
| KotCzarny | closed source of course | 10:35 |
| KotCzarny | as in, you close something, then its dark inside, right? | 10:36 |
| KotCzarny | might apply to closed firmware/os too | 10:36 |
| Maxdamantus | We don't have cookies. Those are the web developers. | 10:38 |
| Vajb | ah right, but what about the cmdline vs graphics? | 10:38 |
| Maxdamantus | We have tic-tacs. | 10:38 |
| Vajb | somehow cmdline shows up a bit dark as default | 10:38 |
| KotCzarny | depends on user config and pov | 10:39 |
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| KotCzarny | text is bright, right? | 10:39 |
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| * bencoh wants cookies | 10:52 | |
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| * ceene hates vhdl | 11:10 | |
| bencoh | awww | 11:10 |
| bencoh | it's fun though | 11:10 |
| ceene | no, it is not | 11:11 |
| ceene | :( | 11:11 |
| bencoh | :( | 11:11 |
| KotCzarny | what's vhdl? | 11:12 |
| ceene | do you know verilog? | 11:12 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, technidesigny thingy | 11:13 |
| ceene | they're both hardware description languages | 11:13 |
| ceene | you define hardware via code | 11:13 |
| ceene | and hope the synthesizer infers the right piece of hardware from the code you've written | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | magic | 11:13 |
| bencoh | not magic :) | 11:13 |
| ceene | black magic indeed | 11:13 |
| bencoh | actually it depends on what kind of "code" you use | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | and by any magic its buggy and does things you dont want often | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | kinda gcc | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:14 |
| bencoh | you're fine as long as you dont use "process" | 11:14 |
| bencoh | using "process" kills the point anyway ;p | 11:14 |
| ceene | lol | 11:14 |
| ceene | to be honest, i don't hate vhdl as much as i hate the guy who wrote the specifications | 11:14 |
| bencoh | huhu | 11:14 |
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| ceene | cause he didn't explain WHAT the hardware should do, but instead wrote a bunch of pseudo-almost-vhdl-code blocks, without any guidline on how to interconnect them, or why, nor timing depencies, nor anything at all | 11:15 |
| bencoh | well I kinda like the idea of specifying blocks in a very rigorous way and being able to build a whole system using those parts | 11:15 |
| bencoh | waitwhat? | 11:16 |
| ceene | so my work consists right now of deducing what the hell this guy wants the hardware to do | 11:16 |
| bencoh | ah, I see | 11:16 |
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| ceene | and work around all the code he thinks will help me | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | ceene, do whatever fits the specs, worry later | 11:16 |
| ceene | of course, once he sees that there's a 3 cycle delay between Input and Output will say: but that can't be! | 11:17 |
| ceene | and i'll have to say: that's what your pseudocode defined! | 11:17 |
| ceene | and my boss will say: it doesn't matter, make it so there's no delay! | 11:17 |
| ceene | and i still don't know which my answer will be | 11:17 |
| KotCzarny | and then you will get back to the board and pretend to work | 11:17 |
| ceene | probably | 11:18 |
| ceene | and then will come here to vent | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | which works too | 11:18 |
| ceene | this is an example of registers names this braindead guy defined | 11:19 |
| ceene | DTXGPREG | 11:20 |
| ceene | DSTPPREG | 11:20 |
| ceene | DBTPPREG | 11:20 |
| ceene | DPTPPREG | 11:20 |
| Vajb | but if it looked good at the paper | 11:20 |
| KotCzarny | dos guy, apparently | 11:20 |
| ceene | DTXBSPREG | 11:20 |
| ceene | DTXBSRREG | 11:20 |
| ceene | funny, huh? | 11:20 |
| ceene | there won't be any mistake | 11:20 |
| ceene | and it'll be easy as hell to read and understand | 11:20 |
| ceene | why do people believe they're gonna be charged extra for characters? | 11:20 |
| bencoh | because they cant type | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | can you design names for yourself then do quick s&r when you have to show design to that guy? | 11:21 |
| Vajb | acronyms r so cool lol | 11:21 |
| ceene | and if that's his belief, why whould he spend three chars with the suffix REG when it doesn't give any information? | 11:21 |
| bencoh | :] | 11:21 |
| KotCzarny | because it has to have a vowel | 11:22 |
| KotCzarny | to pretend its speakable | 11:23 |
| ceene | also, I still don't know what the initial 'D' means | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | dumb? | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | digital? | 11:23 |
| ceene | oh, no, i know what it means | 11:23 |
| ceene | it means driver | 11:23 |
| ceene | because this thing is an RF driver | 11:23 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:23 |
| ceene | so of course, all registers should begin with a D and end with REG | 11:24 |
| KotCzarny | so logical, cant you see it? | 11:24 |
| ceene | i don't get paid enough | 11:24 |
| bencoh | krkr | 11:24 |
| bencoh | (we should get more sarcasm signs) | 11:25 |
| ceene | well | 11:26 |
| ceene | i've decided this thing is gonna stay this way | 11:26 |
| ceene | if someone comes back later asking for their three latency cycles, so be it | 11:26 |
| ceene | i still need to code a hell lot of things | 11:26 |
| ceene | and this is Good Enough (TM) | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 11:26 |
| KotCzarny | are you paid by hours? | 11:26 |
| ceene | nope | 11:27 |
| ceene | i'm a standard employee | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, then dont worry | 11:27 |
| ceene | i'll still get paid if nothing of this shit ever works | 11:27 |
| ceene | although i guess if don't at least try, i could be fired | 11:27 |
| KotCzarny | if specs arent specific enough, its not your fault for dumb client | 11:27 |
| ceene | that's true | 11:27 |
| ceene | not that it matters much | 11:27 |
| ceene | ahycka and I already told our boss this project was inviable with the time we were given | 11:28 |
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| ceene | so we're already almost two months late of partial deliverables | 11:28 |
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| Vajb | is it going to be new shiny android rf client :D | 12:28 |
| ceene | nop | 12:31 |
| ceene | but ahycka's gonna route neo900 | 12:31 |
| ceene | i don't wanna work anymore | 12:32 |
| ceene | :( | 12:32 |
| ceene | i wanna go home | 12:32 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: https://github.com/community-ssu/upstart/blob/master/debian/dh/dh_installxsession#L1 | 23:42 |
| Pali | hi! | 23:43 |
| Pali | whats a problem? | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | is dh_ stuff really should be part of upstart? | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | hardcoded perl path | 23:43 |
| Pali | that part is upstart specific, so whould be part of upstart | 23:44 |
| Pali | hardcoded perl path... yeah | 23:44 |
| Pali | see perlrun about this problem... | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | I see nothing in perlrun related, could you elaborate? | 23:45 |
| Pali | http://perldoc.perl.org/perlrun.html | 23:45 |
| Pali | "Parsing of the #! switches starts wherever "perl" is mentioned in the line."... | 23:45 |
| Pali | how to write it correctly | 23:45 |
| Pali | it is ugly hack | 23:46 |
| Pali | #!/bin/sh | 23:46 |
| Pali | eval 'exec perl -x -wS $0 ${1+"$@"}' | 23:46 |
| Pali | if 0; | 23:46 |
| Pali | iirc that should work also in scratchbox with its own rewrite mechanism... | 23:47 |
| Pali | or use /usr/bin/env | 23:48 |
| Pali | what you need to ensure that in scratchbox script dh_installxsession is started by native x86 perl binary | 23:49 |
| Pali | and not armel binary emulated by qemu | 23:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: but what is the problem if emulated perl is started? | 23:49 |
| Pali | but in /usr/bin/perl is that armel one | 23:49 |
| Pali | 2 problems: | 23:49 |
| Pali | 1) slow | 23:49 |
| Pali | 2) threads are not (properly) supported by qemu | 23:50 |
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| freemangordon | ok, but we talk about some dh_ script, so speed should not be that much of a problem | 23:50 |
| Pali | 1 --> decrease compile time, increase cpu usage; 2 --> crashes | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | the same goes for the threads | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | I doubt we have multithreading in dh_installxsession script | 23:51 |
| Pali | 1 --> you need to compile & install all dependent perl packages for armel | 23:51 |
| Pali | as some perl modules are written in C, you need to install armel binaries | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I see | 23:52 |
| Pali | and 2 --> need to ensure that all dependences will not have those qemu thread problems... | 23:52 |
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| freemangordon | ok, then it seems we'll have to branch that to make it compatible with missing scratchbox | 23:53 |
| Pali | /usr/bin/env will be probably the best solution | 23:53 |
| freemangordon | ok, will look at it | 23:53 |
| Pali | above I wrote "hack" with shell and eval | 23:54 |
| Pali | env looks like: | 23:54 |
| Pali | #!/usr/bin/env perl | 23:54 |
| freemangordon | Pali: btw, we have another problem with some of the Makefiles (dsme and one more) - in dash echo is posix compliant and does not support -e parameter | 23:54 |
| Pali | -e is not POSIX compliant | 23:55 |
| Pali | you need bash for -e support | 23:55 |
| freemangordon | do you have any better idea than if [-x /bin/echo]; then ECHO=/bin/echo; else ECHO="echo -e"; fi? | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | there is no bash in SB, but still -e parameter is accepted | 23:56 |
| Pali | bash is in scratchbox | 23:56 |
| Pali | and it is used | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | hmm, so sh==bash in SB? | 23:57 |
| Pali | when I start scratchbox I got bash shell | 23:57 |
| Pali | anyway you have two options for those Makefiles: 1) add SHELL := bash or 2) use printf | 23:57 |
| Pali | /bin/echo does *NOT* have to support -e param | 23:57 |
| Pali | POSIX echo does not support it | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | hmm, right - lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 27 2009 /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh -> bash | 23:58 |
| Pali | use printf "%s" ... | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | well, /bin/echo --help lists -e as acceptable parameter | 23:59 |
| Pali | also echo -n is not part of POSIX | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | on my ubuntu that is | 23:59 |
| Pali | because you have GNU echo?? | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | -n as well | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | dunno, lemme check | 23:59 |
| Pali | http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/echo.1p.html | 23:59 |
| Pali | no -e or -n param... | 23:59 |
| freemangordon | part of coreutils | 23:59 |
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