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| jonwil | hi | 01:04 |
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| CatButts | uhllo | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi jonwil | 01:07 |
| jonwil | Still no closer to figuring out how I am going to read/parse the GTFS data in the transit app I plan to write. I found a tool that converts GTFS data into a SQLite database but the tool requires libzip2 and libcsv3 neither of which are in the repos and I dont really know how to go about porting them to Maemo | 01:27 |
| jonwil | And then I would also need to come up with packaging bits for gtfs2db as well to get that into the repos | 01:27 |
| jonwil | Maybe I need to forget all this and write my own GTFS parser | 01:27 |
| jonwil | I am sure there is something in the repos that can read zip files | 01:28 |
| jonwil | and comma delimited files are easy enough to parse... | 01:28 |
| jonwil | or maybe I should just go ahead and get libzip, libcsv and gtfs2db into the repo :) | 01:29 |
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| jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1518055#post1518055 | 02:32 |
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| KotCzarny | jonwil: zziplib | 09:55 |
| KotCzarny | it allows you to tread zip archives as simple dirs/files | 09:55 |
| jonwil | what about zziplib? | 09:55 |
| jonwil | I know what it is, why are you mentioning it? | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | 00:28 #maemo jonwil > I am sure there is something in the repos that can read zip files | 09:56 |
| jonwil | oh yeah | 09:56 |
| KotCzarny | im using it in oscp to handle zip files | 09:57 |
| KotCzarny | so it works nicely | 09:57 |
| jonwil | Turns out the best way to go for what I want is probably going to be to get gtfs2db and its dependencies into the repos and use that for dealing with the GTFS data | 09:57 |
| jonwil | Pull down the GTFS zip file from the transit agency, run gtfs2db on it then use the resulting sqlite DB in my app | 09:58 |
| jonwil | Querying a sqlite db should be easy enough especially since I probably wont need any really fancy SQL :) | 09:58 |
| jonwil | I just dont have the skills to do Debian packaging unfortunately :( | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, that part should be easy, but isnt so obvious | 09:59 |
| KotCzarny | you can always include those two libs in your package and compile them in statically | 10:00 |
| KotCzarny | and as i've never heard about any of them, no great loss either | 10:01 |
| brolin_empey | jonwil: Is SQLite even capable of “really fancy SQL”? ;-) | 10:18 |
| jonwil | dont know :) | 10:18 |
| sicelo | it has some shortcomings, but for most use cases, it's as good as any regular SQL implementation | 10:21 |
| brolin_empey | jonwil: That was kind of a rhetorical question. SQL database servers such as PostgreSQL or MySQL/MariaDB have far more capabilities/features than SQLite. | 10:22 |
| jonwil | yeah :) | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | sooo, run psql on n900? | 10:26 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 10:26 |
| * brolin_empey retired his N900 in 2014. | 10:28 | |
| KotCzarny | chicken | 10:29 |
| * CatButts patiently waits for his celery | 10:33 | |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I am a chicken because I dislike the bad user experience I had with an N900 in Canada? | 10:39 |
| KotCzarny | phone wise or smartphone wise? | 10:39 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Both. Many persons who have cellular service in Canada cannot even use the N900 as a literal telephone because the cellular modem used by the N900 cannot use the cellular networks of at least two (Telus Mobility, Bell Mobility, and all of their MVNOs) of the largest cellular network operators in Canada. I have already discussed this subject in this channel months or years ago. | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 10:48 |
| KotCzarny | pity | 10:49 |
| sicelo | what replaced it (N900)? | 10:52 |
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| brolin_empey | sicelo: First a Geeksphone Revolution running the Android OS 4.2 on x86 + PCI but that delivered a bad user experience too so I finally bought a mainstream smartphone running the Android OS on ARM, a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (variant for Canada) but I had to replace the stock OS with CyanogenMod because Samsung actively tries to restrict the users of their non-Nexus models. | 11:00 |
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| sicelo | cool :) | 11:04 |
| KotCzarny | not so cool because of corporate greed ;) | 11:04 |
| sicelo | my dad gave me his Galaxy S4 ... i must say it packs some really nice hardware .. but .. it tends to feel like a ... toy :-/ | 11:05 |
| sicelo | so my N900 is still in constant use | 11:05 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: The Galaxy Note 7 was reportedly extremely literally uncool. ;-) | 11:06 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 11:07 |
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| brolin_empey | Maybe I should run the Android OS on x86 + PCI on my mobile computer and run Windows NT (Windows 10) on ARM on my desktop/stationary computer to have the opposite of the usual combination. ;-) | 11:19 |
| brolin_empey | My High-density 5.25-inch flexible disc (mini floppy disc) drive still works with Windows 10 for x86-64 but I still use an LGA775/Socket T(Core 2 era) motherboard that still has legacy peripheral support such as headers on the motherboard for a flexible disc drive and PATA drives. Current desktop motherboards for a socketed Core i? CPU seem to no longer have headers for a flexible disc drive nor PATA even though the motherboard may still use a Super I/O | 11:31 |
| brolin_empey | controller IC that includes a flexible disc drive controller function. I can buy a PCI or maybe PCI Express card with a PATA host controller (and a PCI sound card with a game port) but I have not seen a PCI card with a flexible disc drive controller. | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | i bet there are usb adapters | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | which would make it work a lot longer | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | i have usb-fdd and it works fine | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | though its 3.5" | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 11:34 |
| * sicelo still uses same era motherboard :) | 11:34 | |
| KotCzarny | uh, readonly | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | im using thinkpad x40 ;) | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | and its the best! | 11:36 |
| sicelo | i am using that too :-) | 11:36 |
| sicelo | love it to bits as well | 11:36 |
| sicelo | but since 4 weeks now, hibernation just doesn't work .. | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | its light, fast enough, with ultrabase allows for nice storage | 11:37 |
| sicelo | no ide what's up | 11:37 |
| sicelo | *idea | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | linux hibernation or windoze? | 11:37 |
| KotCzarny | also, i've replace slow hdd with pata-msata adapter | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | and now it really flies | 11:38 |
| sicelo | linux | 11:38 |
| sicelo | mine has 60GB SSD | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, tux-on-ice or swsusp? | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | msata is more versatile | 11:38 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: no idea .. (swsusp/tux-on-ice) | 11:38 |
| sicelo | how would i find out what's in use? | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | in /sys/power | 11:39 |
| brolin_empey | I suppose that, if I was a far more skilled hardware hacker than I currently am, I could try to connect a header to the pins of the Super I/O controller IC that are used for the flexible disc drive controller function but, even if I succeeded at that, the closed-source firmware for the motherboard may not support a flexible disc drive using the original parallel interface instead of USB or may have this feature disabled in the build shipped by the | 11:39 |
| brolin_empey | motherboard maker. It might be like trying to use a flexible disc drive with the original parallel interface or maybe even only a PATA(PI) drive without a bridge/converter on an x86 Mac motherboard. | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | there should be some tuxonice specific files | 11:39 |
| Maxdamantus | You don't need anything in userspace to do suspend-to-disk in Linux. | 11:41 |
| Maxdamantus | just write the major:minor of the swap device to /sys/power/device then write `disk` to /sys/power/state | 11:42 |
| sicelo | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt | 11:42 |
| sicelo | that's what i was testing (exactly as Maxdamantus says) | 11:42 |
| * Maxdamantus only uses swsusp on his laptop because it's encrypted. | 11:42 | |
| KotCzarny | maxd: toi is a bit more flexible/advanced | 11:42 |
| KotCzarny | unless things changed in a few last years | 11:43 |
| sicelo | the suspending works actually, but when resuming, immediately after loading the hibernation image, the laptop reboots .. haven't figured out why | 11:43 |
| sicelo | if there was serial console maybe :) | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | might be intel drivers | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | with toi it was always graphics drivers to be the cause | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:43 |
| sicelo | so i can still use/try toi? | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 11:44 |
| sicelo | will try it .. it'd be nice to have hibernation again (battery isn't that good here now) | 11:45 |
| sicelo | fwiw, it was working fine before | 11:46 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: the bluetooth, lid switch, and USB ports don't work on mine :) | 11:46 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: “Slow HDD” is redundant. ;-) | 11:46 |
| KotCzarny | brolin, not necessarily ;) | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | 1.8" 4200 rpm drives are SLOOOOOW | 11:47 |
| sicelo | the USB problem solved with cardbus. when i feel in good mood, might open up the lappy for the other two things .. just in case | 11:47 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: Even the fastest HDD available, such as maybe a >=15 000 RPM model, still has a seek penalty that makes it slower than an SSD. | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | yes, that's true | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | but that particular drive from x40 is mega slow even for hdd | 11:49 |
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| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: I already found that FC5025 page months or years ago. AFAIK, the reason for the lack of a read-write >=5.25-inch flexible disc drive with USB (Mass Storage) host interface as a COTS product is the perceived lack of sufficient market demand for the product to justify the cost of developing such a product and then producing and marketing it, not because it is technically impossible. I believe the situation is similar with COTS products such as a | 12:13 |
| brolin_empey | motorcycle with a compression-ignition engine instead of a spark-ignition engine or an electric motor or a smartphone with a medium-wave AM radio receiver in addition to an FM radio transceiver. | 12:13 |
| sicelo | bleh .. debian's vanilla kernels don't support TOI, and I can't reach the TOI website | 12:14 |
| KotCzarny | https://github.com/NigelCunningham/tuxonice-kernel | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | check this | 12:15 |
| KotCzarny | 4.6.0 o.o | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | kinda old | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | there is 4.8 branch though | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | as for information try here http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/TuxOnIce | 12:19 |
| KotCzarny | might be old too but has some useful information | 12:19 |
| Maxdamantus | So what does it actually give you over the standard swsusp interface? | 12:21 |
| sicelo | i'm doubtful it will help tbh :-/ | 12:23 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm. Reading the Wikipedia article it seems to list things that I'm pretty sure are part of the swsusp mechanism. | 12:23 |
| sicelo | looks like here i just need to find out what is crashing the system after loading the hibernate image | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | maxd: i donbt know if it still lacks it, but toi had compressible image | 12:24 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: afaik, you're meant to be able to just read the snapshot from the /dev/snapshot device after making the appropriate ioctls. | 12:25 |
| Maxdamantus | KotCzarny: what you do after you've read that should be up to you. | 12:25 |
| sicelo | suspend to ram resumes perfectly fine by the way | 12:26 |
| sicelo | only suspend to disk that fails | 12:27 |
| Maxdamantus | > Some efforts have been made over time to merge TuxOnIce into the vanilla kernel, but these have been opposed by Pavel,[1] primarily (it seems) because Pavel believes much of the suspend-to-disk process can and should be run from userspace (see uswsusp), while Nigel Cunningham thinks this code belongs in the kernel. | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | Maybe that's the distinction. | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | all this "more flexibility" stuff refers to teh fact that it just implements more things in the kernel. | 12:29 |
| sicelo | which Pavel is that? :) | 12:29 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm guessing Pavel Maciek, or whatever. | 12:29 |
| sicelo | (uswsusp does do compression .. just checked) | 12:29 |
| Maxdamantus | Machek* | 12:29 |
| Maxdamantus | uswsusp doesn't do compression. | 12:30 |
| Maxdamantus | Userspace tools that use uswsusp do. | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | pavel machek afair | 12:33 |
| Maxdamantus | Yes, it is him. | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | also, is there any howto on using uswsusp with compression? | 12:33 |
| Maxdamantus | https://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/24/405 | 12:33 |
| Maxdamantus | The howto would be in suspend-tools or whatever you're using swsusp with. | 12:34 |
| Maxdamantus | swsusp is just the interface provided by Linux in /dev/snapshot | 12:34 |
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| KotCzarny | that link is just an arguing about which one is what, how to setup compression? | 12:38 |
| sicelo | 12:35 < Maxdamantus> The howto would be in suspend-tools or whatever you're using swsusp with. | 12:41 |
| Maxdamantus | https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/rafael/suspend-utils.git/tree/HOWTO | 12:44 |
| Maxdamantus | I have a feeling it uses it by default if you enable it at compilation. | 12:44 |
| Maxdamantus | otherwise you can pass that option, `compress`. | 12:44 |
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| brolin_empey | “<sicelo> suspend to ram resumes perfectly fine by the way | 15:36 |
| brolin_empey | <sicelo> only suspend to disk that fails” | 15:36 |
| brolin_empey | Then replace the volatile memory used as the main memory of the computer with non-volatile memory. ;-) The assumption that the main memory of a computer as used in the Real World is volatile memory may become false as electronic memory evolves. | 15:36 |
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| brolin_empey | I guess that the problem in practice of using non-volatile memory as the main memory of a computer is longevity due to the software modifying (writing to) main memory much more often than it modifies (writes to) the secondary storage, which is necessarily non-volatile memory. | 15:41 |
| brolin_empey | The academic/scholarly/theoretical ideal of using the same type of memory for both primary storage (main memory) and secondary storage (disk) has already been achieved/accomplished/realised because solid-state drives that effectively use volatile memory as non-volatile memory by using RAM backed by a battery or (super/ultra)capacitor are already commercially available. | 15:48 |
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| brolin_empey | If solid-state non-volatile memory with the same characteristics such as performance and longevity/write endurance as the RAM currently used as main memory becomes as available and at as low of a cost as current RAM, consumer-level computers can have non-volatile main memory, at least from a hardware design perspective. It might still be decades away but it will likely happen, like how AMOLED displays are already commonly used in high-volume consumer | 16:05 |
| brolin_empey | products such as mobile computers (marketed as smartphones or tablet computers). | 16:05 |
| brolin_empey | Maybe (SO)DIMMs using non-volatile memory are already commercially available? I have not checked. | 16:09 |
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| brolin_empey | Maybe computer designs based on RISC V instead of the ARM will even reach production, at least as a niche product for Free/libre hardware enthusiasts. | 16:17 |
| brolin_empey | Maybe even rms will carry a computer with a constant cellular connection with him? | 16:20 |
| brolin_empey | KotCzarny: sicelo: Maxdamantus: Anyway, back to discussing computing in current practice: Why do you need compression for suspend to disk/hibernation when you are using a computer that is probably limited to a maximum of 4 GiB or even only 2 GiB of main memory? My completely solid-state Dell Latitude X1 with the maximum of 2 GiB of main memory installed has a 128-GB internal SSD; why bother compressing the suspend-to-disk/hibernation image when it uses | 16:29 |
| brolin_empey | only up to 2 GiB of a 128-GB drive? | 16:29 |
| brolin_empey | Because compressing the image before writing it to the SSD reduces the writes to the flash memory? I guess that could be beneficial in practice. | 16:33 |
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| sicelo | brolin_empey: i am not particularly interested in compression. it came up while going over the benefits of tuxonice over other implementations, suchs as swsusp | 16:44 |
| brolin_empey | sicelo: OK. | 16:49 |
| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: How do you pronounce your “real” name (joerg reisenweber)? | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, err | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yerk ry-sen-whe-bear | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/sen/zen/ | 17:17 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: yerk ry-zen-whe-bear | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Tesla explodes, 2 fatalities? ouch! | 17:18 |
| Vajb | samsung batteries | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, crash | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://tech.firstpost.com/auto/tesla-model-s-crashes-and-explodes-in-giant-fireball-two-fatalities-reported-345377.html | 17:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just doesn't get it why those battery blocks are not employing fuses (possibly with a blow control line to e.g. trigger a micro explosive cutting the wire) to connect the cells | 17:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly a catastrophic electrical short circuit MUST NOT happen in battery blocks, no matter what | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to make such a block explode like that, you at least should have to pierce every single cell with a nail or a bullet | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | also the cells should be wrapped into sort of foil that turns into foam (and become 50 times as thick) on ~90°C, providing increasing mechanical separation of cells as well as thermal isolation | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the blow control trigger line, operated much like an airbag, would also conventiently remove any dangerous high voltages from car's electrics, to facilitate rescue measures like cutting the car | 17:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out to his patent lawyer ;-) | 17:39 | |
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| brolin_empey | DocScrutinizer05: OK, thank you. I will try to remember how to pronounce your “real” name. | 18:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean yerk | 18:52 |
| kerio | there's a g | 18:53 |
| kerio | :< | 18:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: no need for all of that when autopilot doesn't crash :^) | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just that autopilot wasn't enabled and that's WHY it crashed | 18:54 |
| kerio | tesla autopilot is pretty shit tho | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | brolin_empey: why would you want to pronounce my name? :-) | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tesla actually has no autopilit, it has an assistant | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pilot* | 18:56 |
| kerio | yeah but they call it autopilot | 18:57 |
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| ds3 | doesn't it come down to what 'auto' means in this context? | 19:32 |
| ds3 | auto as in autonmous vs auto as in automobile | 19:33 |
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| KotCzarny | brolin_empey: hibernate/resume time | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | it really makes a difference on x40 | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | because its using crappy pata--msata bridge (~70MB/s) | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | minimizing writes isnt bad either | 20:48 |
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| stryngs | Anyone in here ever flash with slackware? | 22:18 |
| stryngs | http://pastebin.com/uZFgbe6p | 22:19 |
| CatButts | flash? I know flash | 22:20 |
| CatButts | oh wait | 22:20 |
| CatButts | wrong flash | 22:20 |
| CatButts | hahahahaha | 22:20 |
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| janemba | hi | 22:41 |
| janemba | when trying to flash my n900 I have the following error : http://pastebin.com/BMhy6feY | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | what is that? | 22:42 |
| KotCzarny | cmdline? | 22:42 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: yeah | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | i was asking what cmdline he used | 22:44 |
| stryngs | KotCzarny: the initial flash | 22:44 |
| stryngs | sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 22:44 |
| janemba | ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f | 22:45 |
| janemba | lol | 22:45 |
| janemba | what's error code 1 btw ? | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | tbh i dont remember ever seeing 'protocol mk ii' | 22:47 |
| KotCzarny | but i might've overlooked it | 22:47 |
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| sicelo | ovi's offscr backgammon is likely cheating :p | 22:49 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 22:50 |
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| sicelo | the odds are very ... strange :) | 22:59 |
| sicelo | i should play it against gnubg one of the days when i'm in the mood | 23:00 |
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| KotCzarny | or grab second n900? | 23:01 |
| KotCzarny | (might even be enough to run in emulator?) | 23:01 |
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