IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2016-09-19

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ShadowJKFirefox is the only browser these days that don't use process/thread per tab, though firefox is going to change that soon05:29
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KotCzarnyShadowJK: in allwinner socs, openrisc core is independent one that presumably was meant to control cpu/temp/sleep&wake functions etc07:42
KotCzarnyits a nice idea, but requires someone to actually implement it07:42
KotCzarnypowering down every clock and just leaving essentials needed to wakeup is very good idea for portable/mobile uses07:43
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fishbulbhow can I try to find out why I'm recievng mms but can't send them?08:47
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fishbulbit's fmms 1.3.508:48
fishbulband the settings are right, I can send one to myself08:49
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OksanaOne question: Nokia's default maps on Maemo 5 do not seem to know any streets, try to download data but get none. Where does it seek the data, and where is said data available if at all? Nokia's map-providing server-service for N900 is either down or moved to Microsoft, maybe?09:39
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KotCzarnyonline09:49
KotCzarnyi mean afair, it didnt have any search functions and relied on online feedback09:50
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Vajbyes. You can't make offline searches in nokia maps09:58
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fishbulbhow do I try to diagnose why my phone isn't sending mms11:15
fishbulbI can send one to myself, but nobody else11:15
fishbulbthe settings are right. the version is 1.3.511:15
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Al3x_10m>mms13:02
Al3x_10m>201613:03
Al3x_10mo____O13:03
KotCzarnyalex: not everyone is on some shitbook to see shared pics, sometimes you just want to send photo to family etc13:03
keriomy family wouldn't know what the fuck to do with a mms13:04
Al3x_10mmms is dead13:04
kerio"yes let's do email in a way that makes customers pay us top money and has severe compatibility issues"13:06
KotCzarnykerio, most phones come configured with mms readily, so one wouldnt have to do anything other than receiving message, and thats the whole point13:07
luke-jremail is for text, not photos13:08
Al3x_10mmms should die in a fire :P13:09
Al3x_10mmms and all it's limits13:09
Al3x_10minternet is cheaper anyways13:09
KotCzarnyagain, not everyone is a geek, and unless there is a standard to send/receive pics in a quick and easy way, its better (with all its quirks and limitations)13:10
Al3x_10m:/13:10
KotCzarnyand mind you, if you wanted new way to share images peer2peer it cant get any easier (because its implemented in almost any phone since years)13:12
KotCzarnyto the point that my home network sends me http links so i dont have to use gsm bandwidth (assuming wifi is available)13:13
Al3x_10msure..my grandma knows what's a link xD13:13
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KotCzarny:)13:16
bencoh/59/5913:19
bencohwoops13:19
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fishbulbyeah13:53
fishbulblike13:53
fishbulbgirls13:53
fishbulbfamily13:53
fishbulbevery single person who has a phone, and isn't at a computer all day13:53
fishbulbsending mms is PRETTY common13:53
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zGrrmoin14:15
siceloOksana: just do a search .. afaik the map data is still available .. some sites link to the actual zip files.14:24
siceloor, if you have access to windows computer, use Ovi suite ... always works14:25
KotCzarnysicelo, does it contain street addresses ?14:31
siceloKotCzarny: there is a "standard" for transfer of picture now, :p14:31
KotCzarnyor allows searching?14:31
sicelowhatsapp14:32
KotCzarnyWA isnt popular here14:32
KotCzarnynever heard about it14:32
KotCzarnyalso, standard which isnt open is.. you know :P14:32
KotCzarnynot a standard ;)14:32
sicelostreet addresses .. yes .. the zoom detail is good enough. as Vajb said, we never had offline search. only have offline routing14:33
KotCzarnyhow do you know routing if you dont know where the destination is?14:34
bencohsicelo: a non-standard :)14:34
sicelo:P14:34
sicelotaht is ... routes between two points you select14:35
bencohwhich means they have a routing info database but no POI / names14:35
sicelowe have POI too14:37
sicelosome who poked in it found that we were going to have search as well .. but probably time constraints caught us14:37
bencohhm?14:37
bencohtoo slow?14:37
bencohah, you mean it never was implemented14:38
sicelothe latter, yes. even voice guidance .. but some bits were actually there14:39
bencohI dont really understand why would anyone want to stick with this thin14:39
bencohthing*. outdated data, unfinished application, closed-source14:40
sicelobtw, i use nokia Maps exclusively .. in my part of the world N900 maps are more accurate than googlems, even today14:40
bencohwe already have modrana/marble ...14:40
sicelohas difficult learning curve :(14:41
sicelothere's OM Voice server for Nomkia Maps ... implements the voice navigation, and some crude search mechanism ..14:42
sicelonot search in the true sense, but more like favorites14:43
bencohsicelo: seriously? :/14:44
sicelohuh?14:44
bencohlearning curve14:45
siceloyes. it is difficult for someone who only uses maps once in a while and who absolutely needs offline map data14:46
sicelotherems something about zoom levels, having to browse the areas beforehand, etc.14:46
bencohI dont really see how it is difficult, but ... fine14:47
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KotCzarnybencoh, write a wiki guide? and use sicelo as a 'regular user/tester' ? ;)14:47
siceloimm not saying it's bad ... just doesn't seem to be that easy for me ... anyway, the bigger issue is - accuracy. modrana/marble aren't solving that, and it is not their fault14:47
siceloOSM obviously doesn't hav a lot of data because they depend on community, google seems only interested in the mbig' cities14:49
bencohsicelo: openstreetmap data might use an update as well I suppose14:49
siceloyes,14:50
siceloNM has its place. :f)14:51
sicelodo we still have a way on N900 to contirbute to OSM?14:52
sicelo(i'll test modrana again sometime soon)14:53
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bencohdunno if it still works14:54
sicelo(my typing is so bad today .. Fn keys tricky on xterm/N900)14:54
sicelobencoh: modrana or osm client?14:54
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siceloi think modrana should work .. seems still maintained14:55
bencohsicelo: osm client14:55
bencohmodrana and marble both work fine, and yeah, modrana is still maintained14:55
sicelookay14:57
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martinuxHello all.16:37
martinuxI was wondering if it was possible to display non-standard emoticons in n900 SMS client? I've applied the patch that stops them from dissappearing into the ether but I'm just seeing the little rectangles.16:40
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bencohmartinux: are you talking about the emoji fix?17:17
bencohiirc there is a font as well (not too sure about it though, haven't played with that for a while)17:17
martinuxI believe so. The fix works - in that messages no longer dissappear but I'm not seeing the emoji despite installing the deb.17:18
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bencohtbh I'm not absolutely certain I see those, but I somehow think I do (I kinda remember seeing a strange one that I wasn't used to)17:21
bencohmartinux: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502603&postcount=3517:25
martinuxThanks, I'll have a read. :)17:25
bencohhm, http://thp.io/2014/emojifix/ disappeared17:33
bencohI wonder why ....17:33
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martinuxGreat success! Found a working link to the emoticons.18:03
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martinuxAlso, greater success! They are now showing up in the SMS messages I've recieved.18:03
martinuxMany thanks, bencoh.18:03
bencohyw18:04
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sixwheeledbeastthp has updated his website by the looks of it, I imagine there's a github link somewhere19:23
KotCzarnythp?19:23
sixwheeledbeastthomas perl19:28
bencohsixwheeledbeast: github repository is still around yeah19:30
sixwheeledbeasthttps://github.com/harmattan/emojifix19:32
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vectis3Not maemo related, but can anyone tell me if a wifi router (not modem/router) designed for cable/fibre, will work with adsl?20:53
KotCzarnyvectis3: any router will work if your modem has ethernet/wifi21:13
KotCzarnyunless specifically locked (but those are rare)21:13
KotCzarnyi assume you already have modem provided and just want to add more device in internal network21:14
vectis3I have an adsl modem with a seperate switch. I have bought a Linksys e900 that was simply advertised as a 'wifi router' but the packaging says its for cable/fibre modems. I can't get it to work with my modem :(21:18
KotCzarnyi think you will have to configure it properly21:19
KotCzarnymost likely it tries to route everything through wan instead of showing your modem as a route21:19
KotCzarnybut its up to you to configure your network properly21:20
vectis3hmm, just to add to the problem, the first thing I did was to install dd-wrt firmware.21:21
KotCzarnyand you connect it to your modem via ethernet cable?21:22
vectis3yes21:22
KotCzarnythen: 1/ disable dhcp on your router, 2/ dont connect anything to wan port on router (all goes into switch/wifi)21:22
KotCzarnyOR:21:23
KotCzarnyleave defaults and: modem -- route(wan) -- your network devices21:23
KotCzarnys/route/router/21:24
infobotKotCzarny meant: leave defaults and: modem -- router(wan) -- your network devices21:24
vectis3ok, I'll try some more. Thanks for advice.21:25
KotCzarnyyou just have to plan it out21:25
KotCzarnyand decide what config you want21:25
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xesvectis3: maybe you could try a Tplink W8970 v1 or Bt Home Hub 5a + LEDE23:41
_maniac_just curious, is LEDE better enough to try it?23:47
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