| fishbulb | in that case I might as well smash all of them with a hammer and upload it to youtube | 00:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't it lovely how agressively demanding some users aproach this forum of lovers? | 00:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | define monies? | 00:02 |
| fishbulb | probably usd | 00:02 |
| fishbulb | isn't the euro worth a lot more | 00:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | When I want to find what something is worth I look at the market and see what others are worth.... | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: ssshhhh! don't spoil that awesome YT video! | 00:04 |
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| fishbulb | one thousand usd | 00:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmSw5lHS1kA | 00:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | been done... | 00:05 |
| fishbulb | 340usd | 00:06 |
| fishbulb | probably all crap replacement parts | 00:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | not a hammer but meh | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | yeah except that was in 2009 | 00:07 |
| fishbulb | when they were new. these ones are new and it's 2016 | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | 2 years ago I gave 100Euro for new | 00:08 |
| fishbulb | does the sticker inside it show if it's been in water | 00:09 |
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| jonwil | hi | 05:56 |
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| Vajb | this summer i paid 46€ for n900 which is in very good condition. Came with box too. | 08:45 |
| Vajb | and about breaking stuff. There was webpage or yt series where they tested will various items blend. I recall seeing ipad blend. | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will it blend? | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.willitblend.com/ | 08:48 |
| Vajb | yes that's it! | 08:50 |
| Vajb | maybe they have n900 as well. | 08:50 |
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| enyc | Vajb: what sacriledge! | 10:29 |
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| felangga | Hello | 16:04 |
| felangga | From indo | 16:04 |
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| felangga | hello | 16:11 |
| felangga | how can i contribute to this community | 16:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | contribute? | 16:14 |
| felangga | is this maemo project dead already | 16:15 |
| felangga | ? | 16:15 |
| felangga | I'm new user of maemo | 16:16 |
| KotCzarny | are you a programmer? | 16:16 |
| felangga | yes, android programmer | 16:17 |
| felangga | but I never touch qt before | 16:18 |
| felangga | or anything related with maemo programming | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | consider maemo as classical linux with bits of system integration on top | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | you are not stuck on any particular framework | 16:19 |
| KotCzarny | or language, that is | 16:19 |
| felangga | oh, i see | 16:19 |
| felangga | btw is maemo still developed by community? | 16:20 |
| KotCzarny | define 'developed' | 16:20 |
| felangga | I mean, is there still any update or support by the community? | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | yup | 16:23 |
| felangga | like new features maybe, or fixing bugs | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | but, i assume you bought it second hand and didnt flash yet | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | ~flashing | 16:23 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline, or see ~lazyflashing | 16:23 |
| KotCzarny | THEN you should update repos (nokia's ones are dead, but there are mirrors) | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-repos | 16:24 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | THEN you can install community updates: | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 16:24 |
| infobot | well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 16:24 |
| felangga | yes, I'm buying it second hand | 16:24 |
| felangga | I'm running on cssu tester | 16:25 |
| felangga | version 21 | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | some n900's heroes work on getting mainline kernel working, which would unlock ability to update glibc and other system libs to newer versions, but for now you are mostly stuck with stock+cssu | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | unless you dont mind losing some functionality, then with a bit of hacking there is a possibility to run other linux distros | 16:28 |
| felangga | 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 is it the latest version? | 16:28 |
| felangga | hmm well | 16:29 |
| felangga | why they can't unlock that? is it open sorce right? | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | kernel has blobs | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | which means those blobs have to get reverse engineered and drivers have to be rewritten | 16:31 |
| felangga | what is that | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | blob == binary without the source available | 16:31 |
| felangga | oohh I see | 16:32 |
| felangga | did nokia not share the code ? | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | apparently not, there are software blobs too | 16:32 |
| felangga | btw, is there any social media apps that still active on maemo? | 16:34 |
| felangga | fsacebook,twitter,etc | 16:35 |
| KotCzarny | im not a social media person, so you will have to wait 'till someone else shows up | 16:35 |
| felangga | ohh okay, what apps do you use for communication? | 16:37 |
| felangga | whatsapp like or telegram like for maemo? | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | ssh | 16:38 |
| KotCzarny | then screen -rd with my irc/im sessions | 16:38 |
| felangga | wkwkwk well I love that | 16:39 |
| bencoh | felangga: welcome to maemo :) | 16:43 |
| bencoh | we no longer have whatsapp (because whatsapp is banning phone numbers of 3rd-party apps) | 16:44 |
| felangga | @bencoh hello, I'm still newbie | 16:44 |
| felangga | hehehe | 16:44 |
| bencoh | I think we still have a working twitter (tweetian) | 16:44 |
| bencoh | as for facebook .... I dunno | 16:44 |
| felangga | last time I installing twimgo, but it not working | 16:45 |
| bencoh | then you should definitely try tweetian | 16:45 |
| felangga | wait, i will try tweetian | 16:46 |
| felangga | hmm.. which repo do you use | 16:46 |
| felangga | i cannot find any in my app manager | 16:46 |
| felangga | f | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | extras or extras-devel | 16:47 |
| KotCzarny | but dont keep extras-devel enabled after installing | 16:47 |
| bencoh | or using apt pinning | 16:47 |
| felangga | wait, updating catalogue | 16:48 |
| felangga | bencoh: what command is that | 16:50 |
| bencoh | a few lines of conf for apt | 16:50 |
| bencoh | apt being part of the (dpkg) package management system used in maemo, inherited from debian | 16:52 |
| felangga | already added extras and extras-devel but still cannot find the packages | 16:53 |
| felangga | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 16:53 |
| bencoh | ah errr, tweetian has never been included in extras for maemo I think | 16:53 |
| felangga | oohh | 16:54 |
| felangga | let me google that first | 16:54 |
| bencoh | there is a post in talk.maemo.org with all needed info | 16:54 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh, so its debian app not related to maemo? | 16:54 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: what, tweetian? | 16:54 |
| bencoh | it was first released for harmattan | 16:54 |
| felangga | oh crab, my keyboard keys is falling down | 16:54 |
| felangga | wkwkwk | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | uhum | 16:55 |
| felangga | let me find some glue first | 16:55 |
| felangga | wkwkwkwk | 16:55 |
| KotCzarny | o.O | 16:55 |
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| KotCzarny | or just grab any broken n900 and replace them? | 16:56 |
| felangga | haha, in my country, this device is so hard to find | 16:56 |
| KotCzarny | about 5usd here | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:58 |
| KotCzarny | apparently there was a truckload of users that loved it | 16:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | felangga: hi, there are lots of projects for Maemo. If you are more into developing applications then the sdk is a good start | 16:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sdk | 17:00 |
| infobot | i guess sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt" | 17:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~pkg | 17:00 |
| infobot | pkg is, like, http://maemo.org/packages/ | 17:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | the wiki is a world of knowledge if you need | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | and talk.maemo.org forum | 17:01 |
| bencoh | hmm, this .txt returns 404 | 17:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~tmo | 17:01 |
| infobot | well, tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 17:01 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: #maemo tmo is http://talk.maemo.org | 17:02 |
| infobot | okay, KotCzarny | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ~tmo | 17:02 |
| infobot | tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org | 17:02 |
| KotCzarny | ~wmo | 17:02 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wmo is wiki.maemo.org | 17:02 |
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| KotCzarny | infobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org | 17:03 |
| infobot | okay, KotCzarny | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | ~wmo | 17:03 |
| infobot | well, wmo is wiki.maemo.org | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | meh. | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: no, #maemo wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org | 17:03 |
| infobot | okay, KotCzarny | 17:03 |
| KotCzarny | ~wmo | 17:03 |
| infobot | wmo is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org | 17:03 |
| felangga | KotCzarny: what only 5usd? i buy this device for 100usd | 17:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hmm I wonder where the sdk image is located now a days | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | felangga: local ads, people dismantle used/broken phones for parts | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | and kb is ~5usd | 17:06 |
| felangga | And for the parts cost 30usd | 17:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~sb | 17:06 |
| infobot | from memory, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~sdkvm | 17:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~vmsdk | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys sdk | 17:07 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'sdk' by key (15 of 18): maemosdk ;; isdk ;; wddx sdk ;; glide rasterization library (sdk) for linux ;; iodbc driver manager and sdk ;; xaudio mp3 sdk ;; sdk ;; pr1.3sdk ;; asdfasdkf #DEL# ;; qtopia sdk ;; dharma odbc sdk ;; cawfee cgi sdk ;; mpkg-j2sdk ;; checks to make sure that q3 sdk 1.11 ;; mpegtv sdk. | 17:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it's there ~sb | 17:07 |
| felangga | sixwheeledbeast: hello, yes I will start with the SDK | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemosdk | 17:07 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 17:07 |
| KotCzarny | hrm, might not be it | 17:07 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I suggest before you start writing from scratch you check out the available packages | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and I suggest before you go berserk on redefining factoids, you first check if they maybe are already there or named different than what you think they are. :-/ | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what do you think you did there? : | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] <KotCzarny> infobot: no, wmo is http://wiki.maemo.org | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:14] <infobot> okay, KotCzarny | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:16] <KotCzarny> ~wmo | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:17] <infobot> well, wmo is wiki.maemo.org | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 16:03:21] <KotCzarny> meh. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | right, you redefined a factoid you didn't even know if it exists or what it been | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly since you know listkey you also should know and use listvalues | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues http://wiki.maemo.org | 18:36 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'http://wiki.maemo.org' by value (17 of 92): #maemo broken ;; #maemo closed ;; #maemo enum ;; #maemo flopswap ;; #maemo redpill ;; #maemo xprot ;; accel ;; accelerometer ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; boot-from-sd ;; cssu ;; ctl-sh-p ;; extras-product ;; extras-uploading ;; help-update ;; hildon-extras. | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues ^http://wiki.maemo.org$ | 18:37 |
| infobot | Factoid search of '^http://wiki.maemo.org$' by value (2): wmo #DEL# ;; #maemo wmo. | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then use literal too! | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | literal wmo | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal wmo | 18:38 |
| infobot | "#maemo wmo" is "http://wiki.maemo.org" | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo #maemo wmo | 18:39 |
| infobot | #maemo wmo -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~HaleBopp@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Fri May 3 22:13:04 2013 (1212 days); last modified 1h 35m 42s ago by KotCzarny!ariel@31.135.195.151; it has been requested 4 times, last by KotCzarny, 1h 35m 39s ago. | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 19:34 |
| infobot | see tmo | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tmo | 19:36 |
| infobot | tmo is probably http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's *not* T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen. | 19:36 |
| sicelo | ~sicelo | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is special, you even ma< 'lock' it | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | may* | 19:37 |
| sicelo | ~oscp | 19:37 |
| infobot | rumour has it, oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sicelo: syntax: | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help lpck | 19:39 |
| infobot | no help on lpck. Use 'help' without arguments. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+help lock | 19:39 |
| infobot | Desc: Factoid locking to prevent removal by others | 19:39 |
| infobot | Usage: lock <factoid> | 19:39 |
| infobot | Example: lock abuse | 19:39 |
| infobot | NOTE: By default, only registered "ops" on the bots or factoids matching the user's nick are able to lock factoids. | 19:39 |
| infobot | NOTE: Requires factoid extension (extra) support enabled. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer | 19:40 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); it has been requested 90 times, last by DocScrutinizer05 at Thu Aug 18 15:44:23 2016; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 19:40 |
| sicelo | â¬DocScrutinizer | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | UTF-8 galore? | 19:42 |
| sicelo | ~DocScrutinizer | 19:43 |
| infobot | hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 19:43 |
| sicelo | my key bindings on N900 led to that utf8 thing | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch out, infobot is very stupid -> | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:58] <DocScrutinizer05> no, docscrutinizer is Jörg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-08-28 Sun 18:44:59] <infobot> i'm not going to learn illegal characters | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~DocScrutinizer | 19:46 |
| infobot | methinks docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~DocScrutinizer | 19:50 |
| infobot | rumour has it, docscrutinizer is Joerg (signature: 'jOERG'), a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko. See ~joerg and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JOERG | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo DocScrutinizer | 19:52 |
| infobot | docscrutinizer -- created by DocScrutinizer <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 11:54:37 2008 (2866 days); last modified 39s ago by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 94 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 22s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo joerg | 19:52 |
| infobot | joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (2866 days); last modified at Fri Oct 3 21:44:08 2014 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 84 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 3m 14s ago; it has been locked by jOERG. | 19:52 |
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| fishbulb | I am wondering if it's possible to send texts using a linux computer as the interface | 22:33 |
| fishbulb | instead of the very small keyboard of the n900 | 22:34 |
| fishbulb | basically commanding the phone with the keyboard and potentially screen of a laptop. how would one do this? | 22:35 |
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| sicelo | vnc is one way | 22:36 |
| sicelo | there's also a cli sms tool somewhere | 22:36 |
| fishbulb | could you tell me how to vnc into the maemo device? | 22:37 |
| sicelo | install vnc server? like on any linux computer | 22:38 |
| fishbulb | which is a good vnc software? | 22:41 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | tightvnc | 22:55 |
| bencoh | I'd tend to think ssh would be enough for sms ;0 | 22:57 |
| bencoh | ;) | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I would use ssh myself | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :snap: | 22:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~phonecontrol | 22:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 22:58 |
| bencoh | you probably want smssend for that | 23:02 |
| bencoh | I wonder if there is a cli replacement for Conversation / sms UI | 23:02 |
| bencoh | (I doubt it, but that'd be great) | 23:02 |
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| fishbulb | it says telepathy is the recommended one | 23:07 |
| fishbulb | empathy for gnome apparently supports this | 23:08 |
| fishbulb | I think I need to switch back to KDE | 23:08 |
| bencoh | I dont really think it only uses telepathy as a backend | 23:23 |
| bencoh | I suspect there's another glue there | 23:23 |
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| fishbulb | ok | 23:24 |
| fishbulb | so would usb networking be how you'd connect? | 23:24 |
| bencoh | yeah | 23:27 |
| fishbulb | I don't use that either | 23:29 |
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