IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2016-07-18

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OksanaHmm, what about pushing bnf to Extras-testing? Sure, version 1.2 isn't more dangerous than version 1.0, is it? Because typo in sudoers file makes version 1.0 not quite use-friendly...09:47
KotCzarnywho uses extras-testing?09:47
OksanaThose who do not want extras-devel enabled all the time?09:48
KotCzarnyso, 1 user?09:49
bencohprobably more than that09:55
bencohI personally use apt pinning so unless I explicitely force a version I'd end up with the one in extras or testing09:55
KotCzarnywould be interesting to see extras-testing stats (updated to exclude search engines etc)09:58
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fishbulbhello11:19
fishbulbI really need to copy my info to my other phone, and then change screens, becuase the usb port is fucked and the keyboard is worn out now11:20
fishbulbwhat I'd like to do is a fresh install11:20
KotCzarnyfishbulb: backup menu, then move backup data to new device, then restore11:20
fishbulband copy over my contacts, messages, reinstall programs11:20
fishbulbwhere do I get backup menu from? all my repos are gone11:21
KotCzarny~bm11:21
infobotsomebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install11:21
KotCzarny~maemo-repos11:21
infoboti guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories11:21
fishbulbwill the one click install work if I have no repos?11:21
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atkWhat options are there for web browsers on the N900?15:19
atkOr better yet, does anyone know where I can find the source for tear?15:19
bencohhttps://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tear/trunk/ maybe?15:23
bencohbut that's *old*15:23
atkWell, anything is good, I want to at the very least change some issues I have with it and at best maybe base something new on it.15:29
atkany guide to how on earth developing something for the n900 works? especially the packaging side15:30
atkI can probably work out the API for the graphics stuff15:30
* atk has never worked with debian before15:30
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bencohatk: have a look a the scratchbox wiki page17:21
bencohthere is a basic guide to debian/maemo packaging17:22
bencoh(not that basic actually, it's pretty good :)17:22
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DocScrutinizer05~sb19:19
infobothmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB19:19
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation19:19
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide19:20
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images19:21
DocScrutinizer05aka ~sb19:21
DocScrutinizer05atk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Packaging_the_application19:27
DocScrutinizer05http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing19:28
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Arch-TKI don't need a cross compilation toolchain my distro provides decent packages and I could compile one if I needed to anyway. I was just curious about the packaging side.20:16
Arch-TKBut thanks anyway.20:16
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DocScrutinizer05huh?21:25
DocScrutinizer05do you want to package for maemo? then you are most likely wrong with >>my distro provides decent packages<<21:26
DocScrutinizer05I also generaly recommed that building not getting done on target platform aka N900. If only for the meager RAM you got there21:28
DocScrutinizer05so frequently you damn sure want a cross compiling environment/toolchain of sorts21:28
DocScrutinizer05"of sorts" since scratchbox actually does genuine building in an emu environment21:29
DocScrutinizer05afaik21:29
DocScrutinizer05I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway21:29
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DocScrutinizer05however when you meant you want to build packages for some non-maemo system on N900, then you're neither interested in scratchbox *nor in maemo packaging*. You rather learn about packaging in context of that other distro21:32
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DocScrutinizer05after all packaging and package management is what ditinguishes distros one from another most21:34
DocScrutinizer05and maemo packaging is sort of a debian derivative, but significantly different in some details21:35
DocScrutinizer05wild guessing: you're rather interested in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/creating_packages ?21:39
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bencoh21:29 < DocScrutinizer05> I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway23:08
bencoh??23:08
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: ???23:41
DocScrutinizer05should I have said "doesn't know"?23:41
DocScrutinizer05I'm just quoting23:41
DocScrutinizer05[Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:15] <whitequark> boru: I absolutely loathe using GCC for embedded because of their moronic cross-compilation policy23:43
DocScrutinizer05[Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:28] <whitequark> there is exactly zero reason to rebuild your compiler just to target a different triple23:43
keriosomeone bought arm D:23:43
DocScrutinizer05who?23:43
DocScrutinizer05link!23:43
keriosoftbank23:43
keriohttp://www.wsj.com/articles/softbank-agrees-to-buy-arm-holdings-for-more-than-32-billion-146880843423:44
kerioez brexit23:44
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DocScrutinizer05hmm23:50
DocScrutinizer05dunno if that changes much, but no bright news anyway23:51
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