IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2016-06-23

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Wizzup_so my n900 doesn't detect that I open my lens00:32
Wizzup_suggestions on how to fix?00:32
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Wizzup_ok00:51
Wizzup_fixed it00:52
Wizzup_cleaned the sensors with a compressor00:52
Sicelo!seen gregoa00:58
Siceloinfobot: ?00:59
Sicelo~seen gregoa00:59
infobotgregoa is currently on #maemo-ssu #maemo, last said: '(in the source package)'.00:59
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vaheHi all help please07:00
vahehttps://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b07:00
vaheRepo only maemo devel extras07:01
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DocScrutinizer05NEVER EVER do apt-get dist-upgrade07:09
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DocScrutinizer05not even apt-get upgrade07:12
vahe1https://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b which repositories to install that would make everything run smoothly?07:13
DocScrutinizer05maemo repos are _not_ maintained to support those 'usual' debian versioning schemes. Particularly whole maemo is one huge metapackage07:13
DocScrutinizer05nothing will make apt-get (dist-)upgrade run smoothliy07:14
DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos07:14
infobotfrom memory, jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/07:14
vahe1what is it?07:15
DocScrutinizer05never do apt-get autoremove either07:15
DocScrutinizer05you  probably already messed up your system fubar07:16
DocScrutinizer05by dist-upgrade & autoremove07:16
DocScrutinizer05((what is it)) isn't the webpage clear enough on what it is?07:17
vahe1DocScrutinizer05:  thanks,I worked on the principle of Debian07:18
DocScrutinizer05that doesn't pan out for maemo07:18
DocScrutinizer05Nokia introduced / used a quite 'inventive' mess of handling dependencies and updates in maemo07:19
DocScrutinizer05not compatible with what you'd expect was 'the right thing' to do, from Debian07:19
vahe1I know what is .install but do not understand what and why they are needed07:20
DocScrutinizer05Nokia's base repos are no more07:20
DocScrutinizer05that's why07:20
DocScrutinizer05~repos07:20
infobotfrom memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos07:20
DocScrutinizer05muarf is a mirror to catch up the fallout of Nokia repos gone south07:21
DocScrutinizer05lemme try...07:21
DocScrutinizer05~mp07:22
infobotsomebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands07:22
DocScrutinizer05meh, fail07:22
vahe1DocScrutinizer05: that is autoremove not to do?07:22
DocScrutinizer05please rephrase07:22
DocScrutinizer05Note Carefully: [2016-06-23 Thu 06:16:09] <DocScrutinizer05> you  probably already messed up your system fubar  by dist-upgrade & autoremove07:24
DocScrutinizer05a reflash is the commonly recommended fix for that07:25
vahe1ah ok07:25
vahe1DocScrutinizer05: sorry ,I badly understand and write in English , I am not a developer and just a person who loves everything with open source07:26
vahe1ty :)07:26
DocScrutinizer05a rule of thumb: with apt-get the only safe options basically are 'update' and 'install'07:26
DocScrutinizer05and possibly "purge"07:27
DocScrutinizer05though that depends on what you're purging07:27
vahe1everything is clear,tell me the last question, what is the latest version of the OS?07:27
DocScrutinizer05please resort to Hildon Application Manager, which takes care to protect you from the nastiness in apt-get and the Nokia way of maintaining repos07:28
DocScrutinizer05latest version official is pr1.307:28
DocScrutinizer05~pr1307:28
DocScrutinizer05~pr1.307:28
infobotit has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update07:28
DocScrutinizer05the recommended latest update is CSSU though07:29
DocScrutinizer05~cssu07:29
infoboti heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)07:29
DocScrutinizer05CSSU is no complete OS release but only a update, as the name suggests07:29
vahe1ah ok07:29
DocScrutinizer05it's based on PR1.307:29
vahe1DocScrutinizer05:  thanks :)07:30
DocScrutinizer05yw :)07:30
DocScrutinizer05just for the records: actually the truly last and latest PR is 1.3.107:31
DocScrutinizer05included in CSSU though, so it doesn't make a difference07:31
DocScrutinizer05~pr1.3.107:32
infobotsomebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/07:32
DocScrutinizer05just use07:32
DocScrutinizer05~lazyflashing07:32
infoboti guess lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach07:32
DocScrutinizer05the insatll CSSU07:33
DocScrutinizer05it basically takes care about everything07:33
DocScrutinizer05then just watch out to not mess up your system with apt-get!07:33
vahe1aha ,you need to read it all)))07:33
vahe1thanks07:33
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DocScrutinizer05lazyflashing is easy and fast, and installing CSSU is also not hard07:34
vahe1I do not understand all this ,I had to read07:34
DocScrutinizer05well, when you assume that flashing is a full new start and you accept to lose all your data and configs, you can safely ignore the very fine info in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and just do what the last section tells you07:35
DocScrutinizer05if you have problems understanding what to do, please don't hesitate to ask *first* before you try anything07:36
DocScrutinizer05in here we usually prefer talking newcomers through a standard install, than to talk them through a complicated system fixing session ;-)07:37
vahe1:) understood07:38
DocScrutinizer05so whatever the topic - if in doubt, please *ask*07:38
DocScrutinizer05(after trying to understand the HowTo/manula/readme/whatever)07:39
DocScrutinizer05vahe1: you say you're not a developer, but I understand you're moderately familiar with commandline/shell? so maybe you benefit from my terse "HowTo" at07:41
DocScrutinizer05~jrtools07:41
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools07:41
DocScrutinizer05if that's getting too complicated, just stop reading ;-)07:42
vahe1maemo for me just a hobby, and Yes I like to use gnu/linux and all that freesoftware07:43
vahe1but all you have shown is very difficult and we must all learn and I have not much time to learn07:44
vahe1I installed using maemo flasher07:45
vahe1https://cloud.mail.ru/public/C1CJ/ehhyHojrf07:46
vahe1this is an old?07:46
DocScrutinizer05I don't know for sure off top of my head if that's recent or not. please use lazyflashing, it takes care about everything07:48
vahe1ah ok07:49
DocScrutinizer05I released version3 some time ago, that even takes care about the library issues07:50
DocScrutinizer05it's really as simple as copy&paste this one commandline into terminal on linux PC, and then follow the intructions07:50
vahe1it is difficult for me lazyflashing07:51
DocScrutinizer05hwy?07:51
DocScrutinizer05why?07:51
vahe1flasherbole more convenient07:52
DocScrutinizer05never heard of that07:52
vahe1is there a video instruction? lazyflashing07:52
DocScrutinizer05honestly, it's just "copy and paste the command line into terminal, hit <ENTER>"07:53
DocScrutinizer05just do it. When any questions ariste during the process, pretty please come here and ask me so I can improve the script07:54
DocScrutinizer05you don't need to learn anything except copy&paste for lazyflashing07:56
vahe1(wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh07:57
vahe1yes/07:57
DocScrutinizer05looks about right07:57
DocScrutinizer05for full flashing the answer is YES, not yes07:57
DocScrutinizer05but you probably don't need full flashing07:58
vahe1that is, it is only necessary to write in the terminal computer ,and need to connect the phone to the computer07:58
DocScrutinizer05the damage done to your system will get fixed by a COMBINED only flashing07:58
DocScrutinizer05yes, like the instructions say07:59
DocScrutinizer05the instructions will tell you when and how to connect phone07:59
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vahe1this team is clear, but where is the firmware?08:00
DocScrutinizer05the script fetches it08:00
vahe1this command will download the firmware?08:00
DocScrutinizer05if yes08:00
DocScrutinizer05yes08:00
vahe1ok)08:00
DocScrutinizer05it's really as simple as I told you08:00
DocScrutinizer05you don't need to worry about anything, just do the C&P08:01
DocScrutinizer05the rest is interactive instruction08:01
vahe1DocScrutinizer05: min08:02
vahe1let's ask08:02
vahe11. is there a way to fix the problem of "upgrade" and which repositories you need to install that all worked08:02
vahe12. I want to update to 1.3.108:02
DocScrutinizer051. click ~jrrepo08:03
DocScrutinizer05~jrrepos08:03
infobotit has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/08:03
vahe1ok08:03
DocScrutinizer052: the script does that08:03
vahe1there are 6 pieces08:04
vahe1how to install everything?08:04
DocScrutinizer051.  this is: in N900 open internet browser, click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install08:04
vahe1ah~ ok08:05
DocScrutinizer05this is all you need08:05
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DocScrutinizer05#1 lazyflashing, #2 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install , #2 CSSU install08:06
DocScrutinizer05#3 the last one08:06
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I should add that to thelazyflashing intructions :-)08:07
vahe1:)08:08
DocScrutinizer05well, it's in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach08:08
vahe1I saved the instructions ,if there are problems will make the firmware already so08:08
DocScrutinizer05please rephrase08:09
vahe1but like you said now I don't need another firmware08:09
DocScrutinizer05did I?08:09
vahe1I will keep manual flashing08:10
DocScrutinizer05then I can't help08:10
vahe1but you said now I don't have the firmware yet ,so I kept just for the future08:10
DocScrutinizer05sorry, you lost me08:11
vahe1now do the user manual .intall and solve problems upgrage08:11
DocScrutinizer05I smell flase assumptions08:11
DocScrutinizer05false*08:11
vahe1we don't understand each other, thank you, everything is clear :)08:12
vahe1thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) bye08:12
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VajbKotCzarny: is it possible to control oscp via shortcutd?21:10
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JuestHello, Any clue why skype telepathy crashes when switching to video on a call?23:46
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Sicelocodec maybe?23:47
Juestentire app fails23:48
Juestask Oksana when she comes, i am not the maemo user experiencing the issue but the testing partner23:48
JuestSIP doesnt seem to work because i receive nothing when she attempts to call me23:49
Juestalso, if she calls me on google talk it doesnt work but if i do it does and no video23:50
JuestIdeas?23:50
Siceloi think i've experienced that skype crash too .. i think it's a codec problem that then causes a hang .. i never troubleshooted further (i don't really use skype)23:52
Juestaudio works great btw23:53
Siceloyes :)23:53
Juestgoogle talk issue is sort of weirder23:53
Juestbecause only if i call it connects properly, if she calls me it drops as soon i answer the call23:54
Juesti am using Jitsi on windows23:54
Juestand skype 6 fyi23:54
JuestShould i try with a older version of skype?23:55
Sicelolet me know what you find .. i don't really have anyone to test with because almost no one uses skype here. the one person who has an account hardly ever logs in23:55
Sicelo(it's a battery drain on N900 btw)23:55
Juest:(23:55
Juestthanks sicelo, i'll try later23:57
Siceloyou have syslog?23:57
JuestNo idea23:57
Siceloinstall it, and maybe dbus-monitor .. they might give you clues23:57
Juestyou can ask her in about two hours btw23:57
Sicelooh .. so Oksana is the one with problem?23:58
JuestYes, I am with her but she's the maemo user not me23:58
Sicelo(/me didn't know is a "she")23:58
Juestlol23:58
Juestnvm23:58
Siceloi see .. now i get the relevance of jitsi :p23:58
Juestits a russian name :)23:58
Juestusing linphone client for sip anyway, but jitsi does sip and google talk :)23:59

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