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| ceene | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/microsoft-bangs-the-final-nail-in-nokia-devices-coffin-fires-the-last-1850-workers/ | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 16:32 |
| ceene | great plan that of MS | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | they only needed IP (patents) | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | and they got it almost free | 16:32 |
| ceene | nokia hardware designers were fucking brilliant | 16:32 |
| KotCzarny | well, crazy too | 16:33 |
| ceene | in other news, ahycka and i may be fired today | 16:34 |
| ceene | we'd have lots of free time to work on yappari and neo900 | 16:34 |
| KotCzarny | is it beer related? | 16:35 |
| ceene | lol | 16:35 |
| ceene | nope | 16:35 |
| ahycka | no xD | 16:35 |
| ceene | it's related to being assigned a project to be done in one month when our stimates are or at least 6 months | 16:35 |
| ceene | so, odds are they try to make as work on august, which is the complete opposite of our contract as employees here | 16:36 |
| ceene | s/as/us/ | 16:36 |
| infobot | ceene meant: so, odds are they try to make us work on august, which is the complete opposite of our contract as employees here | 16:36 |
| ahycka | but, they live in another universe with 48h per day, 60days per months and 30 months per year | 16:36 |
| ceene | so, if that happens, we'll have to say "screw you and your alternate universe" | 16:36 |
| ahycka | ceene you must relax before the meeting | 16:37 |
| ahycka | play tetris! | 16:37 |
| ceene | funny thing is the company has like 9 employees (3 of them which have been contracted this week) | 16:37 |
| ahycka | 9? | 16:37 |
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| ceene | so, if the only two guys that do the real work (ahycka the PCB and myself the embedded programming) go away | 16:37 |
| ahycka | last year we were 4 xD | 16:37 |
| ceene | the full company will fall down in a matter of minutes, really | 16:38 |
| ahycka | nooo ceene, our job is very easy | 16:38 |
| ceene | JC, JB, JP, Nacho, Parraga, you, me, new Alvaro, Simon and the hamradio guy | 16:38 |
| ahycka | it can be done buy a monkey | 16:38 |
| ceene | we're like 10 guys | 16:38 |
| ceene | only ahycka and me do the products... | 16:38 |
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| KotCzarny | lol | 16:39 |
| ahycka | s/buy/by | 16:39 |
| ceene | you're missing a final / | 16:39 |
| ahycka | s/buy/by/ | 16:39 |
| infobot | ahycka meant: s/by/by | 16:39 |
| ceene | lol | 16:39 |
| ahycka | hahahahahaha | 16:39 |
| KotCzarny | maybe they got bought | 16:39 |
| ceene | oh, no, but they think they've got a contract with a big company | 16:39 |
| ceene | that's the project to do on 1 month | 16:39 |
| ceene | i say "think" because they haven't signed anything yet | 16:40 |
| ceene | but he's still contracted 3 new people to help work on that | 16:40 |
| ahycka | without money xD | 16:40 |
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| ceene | of course they'll only be doing the things that can, more or less, be done in one month | 16:40 |
| ahycka | hmm, 3months holidays loooooooool | 16:41 |
| KotCzarny | or the whole thing is a scam and your boss is going to run away with moneys ;) | 16:41 |
| ahycka | nah, my boss is stupid | 16:41 |
| ceene | our part of the job, which requires a 12 layer PCB with an FPGA, DDR chip, a couple of ADCs, etc... and the firmware to load on that FPGA, of course has to be done on one month too... | 16:41 |
| ahycka | and its the biggest part of the project | 16:41 |
| ahycka | so | 16:41 |
| ahycka | no product | 16:42 |
| ahycka | no money | 16:42 |
| ahycka | no company | 16:42 |
| ahycka | holidays!!!!! | 16:42 |
| ceene | just the time that manufacturing that PCB takes is almost beyond the 4 weeks timespan we've got for that | 16:42 |
| ceene | so we've redacted a couple of pages with a realistic timeline and we'll see what happens | 16:42 |
| ahycka | holidays!!!! | 16:42 |
| ceene | last time i had a conversation with our boss about pcb design timing he just told me to "let's work harder then!" | 16:43 |
| ceene | so... | 16:43 |
| ceene | it isn't look very good now | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | well, usually being first to the market is better | 16:43 |
| KotCzarny | who knows, there might be some plan in that madness | 16:43 |
| ceene | lol | 16:43 |
| ceene | there isn't :) | 16:43 |
| ahycka | looooool | 16:43 |
| ceene | we don't do consumer electronics | 16:43 |
| ahycka | nope | 16:43 |
| ceene | and this is a special project managed by the european space agency | 16:44 |
| ceene | already assigned to the bigger company we have the contract with | 16:44 |
| ceene | so, really, unless someone has been smoking crack, there's no fucking way to do this | 16:44 |
| ahycka | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7My0m7WSGlY | 16:45 |
| ceene | :D | 16:45 |
| ahycka | i need lisa's pills | 16:46 |
| ahycka | xD | 16:46 |
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| ceene | well, we're still employed | 18:49 |
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| ceene | at least until the company completely goes broke | 18:49 |
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| KotCzarny | :) | 18:52 |
| Sicelo | ceene: i hope that doesn't happen though, lol .. or you're about to start your own company? | 18:54 |
| ceene | we'd be happy to work here forever, as long as they respect our working conditions and our work in itself | 18:55 |
| ceene | but more often than not, they forget about at least one of them... | 18:56 |
| ceene | bad news is Yappari will have to wait till the weekend | 18:56 |
| ceene | good news though is that some other guy from tmo has offered me his phone | 18:56 |
| ceene | there's a lot of good people in this community :) | 18:56 |
| Sicelo | i need yappari badly, lol ... but work comes first :) | 18:57 |
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| ceene | sorry, man :) | 18:59 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | ceene - the biggest number banner in the world | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 19:03 |
| ceene | :D | 19:03 |
| KotCzarny | well, in WA world at least | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ceene: not even smoking crack helps to make a 12layer in 4 weeks, heck you won't get the PCB from PCBmanuf next 4 weeks even when you order it today | 19:17 |
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| KotCzarny | page_fault_in_nonpaged_area | 19:22 |
| KotCzarny | gotta love windows | 19:22 |
| Sicelo | :) | 19:29 |
| Sicelo | why you trying to open pages having reached the end of the book, haha | 19:30 |
| KotCzarny | mine is still 'in transit' | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | um, wrong chan | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ceene: it's a tad worrying when ESA has such poorly managed projects | 19:39 |
| Vajb | ha! LMD: 3300mah | 19:53 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: my friend got goog one with windows ME. "windows is repairing registry. Windows can not find registry" | 19:56 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | my favourite is: Error: no error | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | or in another iteration: Error: operation completed successfully | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | offtopic: using oscp on windoze in cygwin shell via ssh to play nfs mounted files | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | doing things not the windoze way. checked! | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: how "upstream" is cygwin? | 19:58 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: i dont understand that question | 19:59 |
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| freemangordon | as I am planning to use it to do some rsync over ssh, so I wonder about the security | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | hard to say, but its updated and maintained, so i guess cygwin is as good as it can be assuming different worlds and apis | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | well, how in sync is cygwin with upstream version s of th epackages | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | rsync works nicely on windoze | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | I know :) | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | already tested it, now we're in process of making the final product | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | 3.1.2-1 | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | what is it? | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | rsync version available | 20:01 |
| KotCzarny | so i say its quite upstream | 20:01 |
| freemangordon | well, I am more worried about openssh | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | 7.2p2-1 | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | as rsync runs over ssh tunnel with public key auth | 20:02 |
| freemangordon | hmm... | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | |> metallica-EnterSandman.mp3 | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | good :) | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7 | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | hehe | 20:03 |
| * KotCzarny turns up the volume and goes back to shooting aliens | 20:03 | |
| Venemo_j | freemangordon: what's up with your effort to make linux 4.x workable on N900? | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: well, it works :) | 20:06 |
| freemangordon | we have everything, but cameras SGX and DSP driver upstreamed (unless I miss something), with cameras send as RFC on linux-media ML | 20:07 |
| freemangordon | ~fptf | 20:08 |
| infobot | rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 20:08 |
| Venemo_j | cool | 20:08 |
| Venemo_j | does hardware graphics acceleration work? | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503893&postcount=159 and the following post | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes, with maemo | 20:08 |
| Venemo_j | yup, I saw that post | 20:09 |
| Venemo_j | very nice work! | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | well, since then we put IRTX driver in shape, I expect it in 4.7 | 20:10 |
| Venemo_j | why just with maemo? how about any other OS? | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: because this is what I use | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:10 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: but I don;t see any problem with other OSes running as well, besides HW accell | 20:11 |
| freemangordon | though this should be achievable as well IMO | 20:11 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: we also dont have pvr driver! | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 20:12 |
| Venemo_j | why wouldn't the hw accel work with other oses? | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: SGX == PVR ;) | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: missing userspace drivers | 20:12 |
| Venemo_j | doesn't ti offer some binaries? | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, you didnt use ',' | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | thought its some special camera mode ;) | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes, but I've never played with it, so have no idea if they work | 20:13 |
| Venemo_j | will just have to see for myself someday | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | yeah, please share the result when and if you do it | 20:14 |
| Sicelo | Wizzup is using some other OS .. forgot which .. maybe he's tried that too | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | there is some networking distro on TMO as well, never tried it | 20:15 |
| Venemo_j | networking distro? | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | also, DocScrutinizer05 said that devuan guys are going to make n900 image | 20:15 |
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| freemangordon | Venemo_j: yep, something with "rolling" in its name :D | 20:16 |
| Venemo_j | ah. | 20:16 |
| freemangordon | hmm, Iguess it is Kali linux | 20:16 |
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| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96573 | 20:17 |
| Venemo_j | interesting | 20:18 |
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| Venemo_j | and freemangordon, how does your 4.6 fare with regards to power management? | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | still problems, but OMAP maintainer(tmlind) has posted some patches lately | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | he said the last one is musb, though I doubt a bit :) | 20:21 |
| Venemo_j | musb=? | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | usb controller | 20:22 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg139978.html | 20:22 |
| Venemo_j | ah, cool | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | hmm, wait, this is the old series | 20:23 |
| Venemo_j | it's a bit suprising to see that there is still activity on such an old chip | 20:23 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: that one http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg140687.html | 20:24 |
| freemangordon | hmm, which reminds me I have to find time to test it | 20:24 |
| Venemo_j | cool stuff | 20:25 |
| * freemangordon is going afk, bbl | 20:25 | |
| Venemo_j | thanks for showing me freemangordon :) | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | np :) | 20:25 |
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| Pali | hi! what is state of new CSSU?? | 21:04 |
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| Sicelo | no new CSSU :) | 21:10 |
| Sicelo | or there is? | 21:10 |
| Pali | there are couple of updated packages on github since last CSSU-T and also CSSU-S | 21:11 |
| Vajb | there is new thumb version atleast | 21:15 |
| Venemo_j | what exactly was the problem with thumb on the n900 anyway? | 21:21 |
| Venemo_j | all I remember is that it was broken | 21:21 |
| Vajb | there was two bugs in hw, but they got fixed by sw. At least that's how i understood it. Look for CSSU-Thumb from maemo.org | 21:28 |
| Venemo_j | I saw it on the wiki | 21:29 |
| Venemo_j | but it didn't say | 21:29 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: read the cssu-thumb thread on TMO | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or simply assume Vajb is right, though the fix was complicated and on kernel level | 21:45 |
| Venemo_j | freemangordon: okay | 21:46 |
| Venemo_j | is the fix upstream? | 21:46 |
| Venemo_j | in other words, is it includes in your 4.6? :) | 21:47 |
| Venemo_j | s/includes/included | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think it would be cruft for generic kernels | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's fixing a very specific bug in just one particular SoC | 21:49 |
| luke-jr | one of the fixes was linker-level IIRC? | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | Venemo_j: yes. | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | luke-jr: :nod: | 21:55 |
| Venemo_j | awesome | 21:57 |
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| freemangordon | yet another piece of the puzzle is going to be fit in place :) https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/5/25/335 | 22:22 |
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| Wizzup | Sicelo: yeah, but I don't use it regularly yet | 22:51 |
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