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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>This "users are too stupid" argument is nonsense made up by big corporate software to justify continuous revenue streams based on features that get in our way. To see a smoking gun, go to This interview with Red Hat CTO, Brian Stevens, search the first occurrence of the word complexity, and read that paragraph and the one below it. That's the explanation for the explosive complexification of some realms of Linux in the past two decades. | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Those two paragraphs also provide a possible explanation when you ask why systemd came uncomfortably close to conquering the world.<< http://troubleshooters.com/linux/avoid_complexity.htm - I always said this was a root rationale for RH to pay Poettering for systemd | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>In 2001, when I joined Red Hat and built the enterprise engineering team, we weren't being as aggressive as we could have been about driving innovation in open source. We were mostly packaging existing open source software. We wanted to change tha<< yeahyeah, we already got you | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | business models, my ass! | 05:53 |
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| Oksana | Driving innovation... Get aptitude to work without segfaulting, first. There is so much software in the world that creating new one, to the point of abandoning existing ones, makes no sense. And an example of Unix philosophy: 'dos2unix' is working miracles around here! | 08:32 |
| Oksana | aptitude 0.4.11.11 looks kind of ancient: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/aptitude Not sure just what it would take to install newer aptitude onto maemo 5, though... | 08:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | note that RH supports RPM only | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now THAT wold be innovation | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rpm | 08:45 |
| infobot | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ | 08:45 |
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| Oksana | Aren't RPM's used somewhere on Nokia N9?.. | 08:48 |
| Oksana | Anyway, new aptitude's list of dependencies is ridiculously long. Search engine, libxapian22 , what for?.. I would understand it as recommendation, but as dependency?.. | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see http://www.rpm.org/ and the OS listed there: "Meego" | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly you meant that regarding N9 | 08:52 |
| Oksana | Likely, yes. Unless Nemo Mobile uses it, too; do not remember exactly | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't follow Nemo / Mer / Jolla / Sailfish closely anymore | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me the thrill got lost in all that | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it turned out it's just another harmattan layered over an Android RIL | 08:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not what i'm looking for | 08:56 |
| Oksana | libapt-pkg4.12 is ugly dependency, because it requires libc6 v2.8 (which means risk for everything else that uses libc6) | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much of the "fenced garden" mindset where a company or $entity provides the complete system and you're free to basically develop your fart apps inside, and to choose the wallpaper | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not my take on FOSS | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, in short: | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~aegis | 09:00 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, but sort of same mindset | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hoped after Nokia went down, Jolla would have learned and avoid to do same mistakes again. actually it rather seems they try to bring that very concept perfection | 09:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no flasher, C'MON! | 09:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, nice cloak! | 09:03 |
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| Vajb | it seems that i can't receive whatsap messages from nokia anymore. My friend said that there was update which stated that messages in this conversation will be encrypted and since that messages sent to me have been undelivered. | 10:39 |
| Vajb | i asked if there is possibility to sent them unencrypted but he couldn't find it. | 10:40 |
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| ceene | Vajb: you talking about yappari? | 10:46 |
| ceene | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503625&postcount=1397 | 10:48 |
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| Vajb | sure. Only working whatsap client as far as i know | 11:22 |
| ceene | then you're a bit late to the party | 11:23 |
| ceene | go and read that :) | 11:24 |
| Vajb | i've read it awhile ago, but it has working for me so far | 11:28 |
| ceene | you've been just lucky then | 11:28 |
| ceene | encryption is mandatory now | 11:28 |
| Vajb | think i'll look for jabber or something which can send and receive photos. | 11:29 |
| ceene | i'm constantly working on yappari | 11:29 |
| ceene | but there's still work to do | 11:29 |
| Vajb | i can still receive from android | 11:29 |
| ceene | from one particular android | 11:29 |
| ceene | once that user gets the "Version too old, you must upgrade" | 11:29 |
| Vajb | yeah i've been following ur struggle :/ | 11:29 |
| ceene | he'll start sending encrypted messages | 11:29 |
| ceene | as a plan B i've found a telegram library written on qt | 11:30 |
| Vajb | if there is upgrade made for it... | 11:30 |
| ceene | that i think could be made the new backend for yappari | 11:30 |
| Vajb | it is old android device | 11:30 |
| ceene | so yappari gui for telegram could be a thing | 11:30 |
| ceene | then he'll face the same problem as we do | 11:30 |
| ceene | from 2017 no more releases for S40 nor old android phones | 11:31 |
| Vajb | she* ;) | 11:31 |
| ceene | whatsapp won't care :P | 11:31 |
| Vajb | cool policy | 11:31 |
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| Vajb | im just waiting when they make it illegal to use road if ur car is too old... | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, I thought that's already in effect? | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | called TUEV | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily their policy isn't driven by commercial interests (yet) | 11:34 |
| ceene | i still can drive my 23yo car :) | 11:34 |
| ceene | although i've had problems this months trying to find tires | 11:35 |
| Vajb | and i can use my 21yo | 11:35 |
| ceene | it's insane they require me to use a V velocity code | 11:35 |
| ceene | that's 220km/h | 11:35 |
| Vajb | it can get booze for me already :p | 11:35 |
| ceene | my car won't reach that | 11:35 |
| ceene | and it's illegal in spain | 11:35 |
| ceene | so why the hell do i need V velocity code for my tires? | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 'can use' and "make it illegal" are to segregate things, no? | 11:35 |
| ceene | well, mine can physically be driven and is legal | 11:36 |
| ceene | although diesel engines may end up being forbidden from entering city centers in a few years | 11:36 |
| Wizzup | Vajb: They enforced that here in Amsterdam | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here only as long as you pass the technical test which is called TUEV in Germany and I bet you got something similar in spain | 11:37 |
| Wizzup | many scooters that predate 2013 or so cannot be used in the city anymore | 11:37 |
| Wizzup | It's great news for people who just use bicycle, like me. | 11:37 |
| Vajb | but nice "problem solved" for phone manufacturers. Let's make all old phones unable to join network if newer model is out. | 11:37 |
| ceene | DocScrutinizer05: yes, it's the ITV here | 11:37 |
| Wizzup | Vajb: whatsapp should provide an update for the phone | 11:37 |
| Wizzup | but it makes sense that they want everyone to use E-to-E encryption | 11:37 |
| ceene | the problem is my car won't pass the ITV if tires aren't a match for what the technical card says | 11:37 |
| ceene | and they've mostly stopped making tires the size my car needs with V velocity code | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | V is already quite high | 11:38 |
| ceene | which is insane, as V is 220km/h and in spain the most you can go is at 120km/h | 11:38 |
| ceene | so it's simply absurd | 11:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is not about what you're allowed to go but what the car actually *can* go | 11:39 |
| Vajb | my car didn't pass inspection, but it will as soon as i fix that security hole near back tire :p | 11:39 |
| ceene | well, of course my car at 23yo can't go at 220km/h | 11:39 |
| ceene | some horses have died during these years | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though, here you coulds simply stick a (160km/h) round red-white sticker to your steering in the car and have tires that are not rated higher than 160 | 11:40 |
| ceene | that would be great | 11:40 |
| ceene | but i think that's not possible here | 11:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seen this a lot in the past for particularly winter tires. Dunno if it still applies, though | 11:41 |
| ceene | they've told me the only course of action is talking to a ford dealership and get them to modify my thecnical card so it specifies a lower speed code | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | ceene: you should take a better care for you r car | 11:41 |
| ceene | freemangordon: once my car dies, i won't be buying a new one | 11:41 |
| ceene | i only keep it because i already have it and emotional attachment | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | lucky you, I can't make it without a car | 11:42 |
| ceene | economically doesn't make any sense for me now | 11:42 |
| ceene | i live less than 3km from work | 11:42 |
| ceene | so i always go by bike | 11:42 |
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| freemangordon | me too, but I rarely stay at the office, usually I am at customer's site | 11:42 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: to be fair, a car is also much safer in bulgaria than a bike... I've mostly not used my bicycle there... | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | well, I have bike, and honestly see no problems, at least in Sofia | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | the last couple of years there are lots of new bike lanes | 11:43 |
| freemangordon | but maybe it depends on what you're used to | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | I guess so - I haven't seen many of the bike lanes apart from the one near the trainstation | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | Guess I'm moving around in the wrong parts ;-) | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | But yes, in amsterdam bikes are basically untouchable | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | maybe. the southern parts are full of bike lanes | 11:44 |
| Wizzup | (re: depends on what you're used to) | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 11:45 |
| ceene | well, gotta go now guys | 11:45 |
| ceene | i'm doing paella today :P | 11:45 |
| ceene | it's holiday here today | 11:45 |
| ceene | bye! | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | bye | 11:45 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:05 |
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| abc123 | is there any way to disable 3,5G and leave 3G ? Using qt Mobile Hotspot with my operator at 3,5G causes worse internet quality (can't even use IM) than 3G | 15:03 |
| abc123 | now i'm using metal rod placed near GSM antenna to worse the signal | 15:08 |
| Maxdamantus | Do you have buttons that say "Dual", "GSM" and "3G" in the menu that appears when you press the battery thing in the status bar? | 15:13 |
| Maxdamantus | Hm, I think it's from 3g2g-mode-selection-applet | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | abc123: err, 3.5G is a station capability you can't choose | 15:16 |
| abc123 | i'm using advanced interface switcher | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like 2G and 2G-edge aka 2.5G | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can't disable EDGE and you can't disable the .5 in 3.5 | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, technically you may could trick the phone into not using EDGE | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though that's quite hard to accomplish | 15:18 |
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| Maxdamantus | So what does it mean when Maemo says "3.5" vs. "3"? | 15:21 |
| auenfx4 | umts? | 15:22 |
| auenfx4 | hspa probably | 15:22 |
| Hurrian_ | 3.5 means that you're in UMTS (3G) mode, connected at HSDPA/HSUPA rates | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hspa, yes | 15:34 |
| Hurrian_ | also, anyone here played around with microcells? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least not officially ;-) | 15:35 |
| Hurrian_ | sucks that they're not too useful without a whole GSM core network set up | 15:35 |
| Hurrian_ | getting a hold of an LTE eNodeB would be more fun :3 | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues osmocom | 15:36 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'osmocom' by value (1): rrlp. | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | welllllll | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~rrlp | 15:36 |
| infobot | hmm... rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://osmocom.org/projects/openbsc | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Harald and friends "played" with microcells | 15:37 |
| Hurrian_ | oh $DEITY, I haven't went through the massive pile of GSM specs yet | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you think we get GSM at CCC and CCCamp ? | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 15:38 |
| Hurrian_ | Fun with a couple of Ettus USRPs? ;) | 15:39 |
| Hurrian_ | I wanted to go that route but... money | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what exactly they use | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no USRPs anyway | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather real microcell 2W transponders, and a PC for the BSC | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | transceivers rather | 15:40 |
| Hurrian_ | dedicated 2W NodeB's, or RF fed through amplifiers? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dedicated | 15:40 |
| Hurrian_ | ...nice, and they got to play with them in open air | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Static:POC | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Static:POC#GSM | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.sysmocom.de/ | 15:44 |
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| Hurrian_ | oh man, I almost forgot about DECT, despite having cordless phones all around the house (goodbye 2.4G wifi!) | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gnumonks.org/ | 15:45 |
| Hurrian_ | thanks, doc! Now I've got a reading list to start my RF hobby... | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for RF hobby you also might want to google for rtlsdr | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SDR for <20 bucks | 15:49 |
| Hurrian_ | yep! I've got mine and I'm hooked. | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and they do truly amazing things | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe aaaah | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google rad1o | 15:50 |
| Hurrian_ | been biking 'round my neighborhood, tuning around the RF spectrum | 15:50 |
| Hurrian_ | ...and damn, did it open up a whole new world of exploration for me ;) | 15:50 |
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