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| Pali | hi! | 00:14 |
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| Wizzup | hello :) | 00:34 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | any u-boot experts in the place? | 01:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | Pali: you still about? | 01:12 |
| Pali | HRH_H_Crab: yes | 01:12 |
| HRH_H_Crab | i wonder if you might be able to help. | 01:12 |
| Pali | ~ask | 01:12 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 01:12 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | sorry. :( | 01:13 |
| Pali | so ask | 01:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im not sure how specific or concise it is. | 01:15 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive got some pointers about making an image / .scr and it doesnt make a lot of sense to me. | 01:16 |
| HRH_H_Crab | ive done a fair bit of googling but i cant seem to find anything that looks solid. | 01:16 |
| HRH_H_Crab | im sorry to have bothered you, i guess ill just try some stuff and see what happens / do more googling. if i come up with a more specific issue i might try my luck. sorry to have bothered you. | 01:17 |
| Pali | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 01:17 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | thanks. | 01:18 |
| Pali | http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=doc/README.nokia_rx51 | 01:19 |
| HRH_H_Crab | that is very handy indeed. | 01:22 |
| HRH_H_Crab | thanks! | 01:22 |
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| Vajb | hmm screen brightness applet didn't fix problem with chess | 11:34 |
| Vajb | after some time without doing anything chess jumps back to start screen | 11:35 |
| Vajb | so there is something more there than just screen time | 11:35 |
| Vajb | i suppose it is closed and wont fix? | 11:35 |
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| Vajb | ok. So chess follows screen saver time, but even if screen saver is disabled from brightness applet chess still goes by last know screen saver setting. | 12:19 |
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| KotCzarny | maybe it has its own screen saver? | 12:20 |
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| Vajb | could be, but it still respects user set screen saver | 12:25 |
| Vajb | if i set two minutes it stays two minutes | 12:25 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, just compile xgnuchess ? | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | x/xgnuchess/xboard/ | 12:26 |
| KotCzarny | s/xgnuchess/xboard/ | 12:26 |
| infobot | KotCzarny meant: x/xboard/xboard/ | 12:26 |
| Vajb | i guess magic happens in file osso_chess.so or something | 12:27 |
| Vajb | there was also dbus com.nokia.osso_chess but that didn't reveal anything | 12:28 |
| bencoh | Vajb: dbus monitor | 12:28 |
| Vajb | also found few ggonf settings but that was for level settings etc | 12:28 |
| Vajb | i ran mdbus2 against it but no joy | 12:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~closed | 13:17 |
| infobot | it has been said that closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 | 13:17 |
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| Vajb | so chess should be os | 13:40 |
| KotCzarny | um? | 13:41 |
| Vajb | second link | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | sorry, my isp f*cked up bigtime | 13:42 |
| KotCzarny | my net is not stable, missed almost every message | 13:42 |
| Vajb | ah | 13:43 |
| Vajb | ~closed | 13:43 |
| infobot | closed is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages, or http://elinux.org/N900 | 13:43 |
| Vajb | second link shows that osso-graphics-game-chess has opensource alternative or something like that | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | xboard is a gui for gnuchess | 13:44 |
| Vajb | gonna investigate better when i get to bigger screen | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | i've used it for a long time (when i was playing online chess) | 13:47 |
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| KotCzarny | i think it should be playable on 800x480 | 13:49 |
| Vajb | i see | 13:49 |
| Vajb | actually i gave up with osso chess for quite some time and practised with my old travel chess computer and now i game back to osso. | 13:50 |
| Vajb | still got beaten tho | 13:51 |
| Vajb | but managed to stretch it to 46 moves | 13:51 |
| Vajb | pathetic, yes i know | 13:51 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:51 |
| Vajb | gonna practise some more weeks and make another try | 13:52 |
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| Sicelo | had to go back to twitter again ... any known working client for N900? | 20:55 |
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| ceene | i tried a couple that didn't work :/ | 21:29 |
| ceene | but i don't remember the names, sorry | 21:29 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:41 |
| Sicelo | do you think we'll still be able to use Yappari in 2017? | 21:41 |
| ceene | doesn't look like it, at least for the moment | 21:42 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 21:42 |
| ceene | i was about to port yappari to use coderus' code | 21:42 |
| ceene | but his is as S40 as mine | 21:42 |
| L29Ah | S40? | 21:43 |
| ceene | so i got disheartened about that as well, so for now no textsecure either | 21:43 |
| Sicelo | L29Ah: nokia feature phone | 21:43 |
| ceene | L29Ah: yappari fakes being a nokia s40 | 21:44 |
| ceene | my sister in law had one of them | 21:44 |
| ceene | and it's pretty cool in fact | 21:44 |
| ceene | it has wifi, SIP | 21:44 |
| ceene | pretty nice for an almost dumb phone | 21:45 |
| ceene | probably it does 90% of what 90% people use | 21:45 |
| bencoh | ceene: have you talked to coderus about that? | 21:46 |
| ceene | bencoh: not yet | 21:46 |
| bencoh | well, maybe you should :) | 21:46 |
| ceene | i'm quite bored of yappari and all of this, to be honest | 21:46 |
| ceene | yep | 21:46 |
| bencoh | yeah I kinda understand it | 21:46 |
| ceene | i had lots of ideas and objectives, but when i get down to the code... just the idea of updating current code to libwa api looks like a draining task | 21:48 |
| bencoh | I'm afraid quite a significant amount of maemo users have been able to stick to n900 because of it, though | 21:48 |
| bencoh | so that'd be quite sad | 21:48 |
| ceene | yep | 21:48 |
| bencoh | ceene: dont sailfish have an official client? | 21:48 |
| bencoh | are they gonna stop support for that one too? | 21:49 |
| ceene | they've all been lucky that once scorpius stopped mainting yappari i took over | 21:49 |
| ceene | official client? no, either coderus' or android's | 21:49 |
| bencoh | indeed | 21:49 |
| Sicelo | sailfish? i think they are in trouble like the resot of us :) | 21:49 |
| bencoh | ah | 21:49 |
| bencoh | what about windows phone? | 21:49 |
| ceene | they do have an official client | 21:50 |
| bencoh | cant we just identify as one? | 21:50 |
| ceene | i guess, or as an android | 21:50 |
| bencoh | yeah, that one too | 21:50 |
| ceene | but i assume the protocol is gonna have big changes on them | 21:51 |
| bencoh | maybe | 21:51 |
| ceene | also, one cool thing about s40 was that it was written on java | 21:51 |
| ceene | so we could just decompile it | 21:51 |
| ceene | and look at an obfuscated version of the code, which was enough to understand the protocol | 21:51 |
| bencoh | that should probably still be possible with the android version (?) | 21:52 |
| ceene | as far as i know, the apk includes a few .so libraries | 21:52 |
| ceene | in which the protocol is implemented | 21:52 |
| ceene | so they are not as easily looked at as the java version | 21:52 |
| bencoh | it works on x86 as well | 21:53 |
| ceene | yes, they attach .so versions for several processors | 21:53 |
| bencoh | ah | 21:53 |
| ceene | i guess the yowsup team will be able to continue their development | 21:53 |
| ceene | i think they're at least a handful of quite competent developers | 21:54 |
| ceene | they implemented textsecure even before whatsapp did :) | 21:54 |
| bencoh | if they can stay in the game "we" should be able to follow their work :) | 21:55 |
| ceene | i think so | 21:55 |
| ceene | if only yappari had a competent developer too... :) | 21:55 |
| bencoh | you dont look that incompetent :p | 21:55 |
| ceene | because it's all done | 21:56 |
| ceene | i don't really understand c++ | 21:56 |
| ceene | nor qt | 21:56 |
| ceene | i'm a pure c coder | 21:56 |
| ceene | all these slots and signals just drive me mad | 21:56 |
| ceene | it reminds me of when i started to learn how to code, it was on visual basic | 21:57 |
| ceene | nah, a passionate coder would be now more useful than a competent one | 21:57 |
| ceene | or someone to finally make an open source android-apps-running-thingy | 21:58 |
| ceene | i don't quite get why that's so difficult to develop | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | there was apkenv by thp .. don't know what happened :( | 21:59 |
| bencoh | ceene: well, I guess you could write a pure C lib and find a GUI dev | 21:59 |
| bencoh | I'm a pure C dev as well (and low-level, at that) | 21:59 |
| ceene | Sicelo: apkenv isn't really an android app running thingy | 21:59 |
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| ceene | although, to be honest, that'd be the thing that could be used for whatsapp | 21:59 |
| ceene | all it does is substitute the java parts (which you have to write) and invoke functions from a .so file | 22:00 |
| ceene | that's why it runs games | 22:00 |
| ceene | most games are real binaries in order to gain performance | 22:00 |
| ceene | bencoh: i could do so many things... :P | 22:00 |
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| Sicelo | ah, i see. never could get it up and running in the first place, haha | 22:01 |
| ceene | but in the end it's all very exhausting, and the benefits aren't that much clear to me now | 22:01 |
| ceene | we're just buying time | 22:01 |
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| ceene | i was able to run world of goo | 22:02 |
| ceene | it's quite fun | 22:02 |
| ceene | and pretty | 22:03 |
| ceene | and the soundtrack is excellent | 22:03 |
| ceene | maintainer of yowsup received a cease and desis letter from whatsapp | 22:10 |
| ceene | didn't seem to bother anyone | 22:11 |
| ceene | but they know for sure it exists | 22:11 |
| bencoh | well, in Europe REing is legal for interoperability purposes | 22:12 |
| ceene | yeah, i wouldn't give a damn either if they threatened me | 22:12 |
| bencoh | even when working around DRMs | 22:12 |
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| ceene | but it's reasonable to believe that once they stop supporting s40 they'll try pretty hard to stop us from continuing | 22:13 |
| ceene | as they won't have to support those old devices | 22:13 |
| ceene | they can do more complex things on android/iphones/windows devices | 22:14 |
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| ceene | https://github.com/davidgfnet/whatsapp-purple | 22:17 |
| ceene | this is also quite active, it seems | 22:17 |
| ceene | and also implements textsecure | 22:18 |
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| ceene | or will do soon | 22:18 |
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| ceene | maybe it'd be good to transform yappari to a libpurple gui | 22:21 |
| ceene | or see if there's libpurple support for telepathy | 22:22 |
| ceene | telepathy-haze | 22:24 |
| ceene | Haze is a telepathy connection manager based on libpurple. | 22:24 |
| ceene | This allow telepathy based application to connect all protocols | 22:24 |
| ceene | supported by libpurple (pidgin). | 22:24 |
| bencoh | ceene: see the telegram thread | 22:26 |
| bencoh | (especially toward the end) | 22:26 |
| ceene | there's some primitive gui? | 22:27 |
| ceene | there's already a telegram libpurple for maemo | 22:28 |
| ceene | i think it'd be feasible to integrate that with telepathy | 22:28 |
| bencoh | yeah, but we can't use too recent libpurple (or haze) because of glib version issues | 22:29 |
| ceene | oh :( | 22:29 |
| bencoh | exactly | 22:29 |
| ceene | we should get in contact with musk and convince him to use maemo on his tesla cars | 22:30 |
| ceene | so he contracts a handful of people to update all of this for us :) | 22:30 |
| ceene | i can't even convince people to switch to telegram because we don't have a full on client either | 22:31 |
| ceene | so we really don't have a nice alternative | 22:31 |
| ceene | https://np.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/496sn3/lets_clear_up_the_confusion_regarding_storage_in/ | 22:36 |
| ceene | the overall storage of the device is sectioned off into many partitions (there are 42!!!) | 22:36 |
| ceene | may goodness | 22:36 |
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| Sicelo | :) | 22:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and guess how many of those partitions are non-free | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you however will learn a lot about how to build a decent free phone from studying that 42 partitions mess | 23:04 |
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| freemangordon | by reading through that story, I am not sure those 42 are really partitions or some of them are bind mounts | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | or stuff like /proc /sys /sys/kernel/debugfs etc | 23:05 |
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| freemangordon | also, it makes sense to have persistent data ( the same what is known as CAL on N900) on a separate storage | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check Jolla phone, and weep | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | no jolla phone around ;) | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | without checking any actual android phone, I'm pretty sure they have a complete modem OS in closed encrypted partitions, and that is started first and runs Android OS as a 'VM' in modem OS host | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | also, N900 storage is not that innocent as well, onenand is divided to 6 parts, emmc to 3, do the math yourself :) | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | :nod:, I suspect the same | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | but that still makes sense | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, particularly for the NSA ;-) | 23:11 |
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| freemangordon | well, if you aim a closed system, all this makes lots of sense. Esp when modem and MPU are on the same silicon | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from within Android yiu have as much control over what your device really does, as you have control over your PC from inside a VM | 23:12 |
| freemangordon | :) | 23:12 |
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| ceene | Partitions - No. The devices in /dev/block literally number up to mmcblk0p42. I used DiskInfo. Link me: DiskInfo | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Android doesn't even break down your used storage properly - my used space + my free space never adds up to the total available space.<< sounds like a prety normal effect of a compressing filesystem like the ubifs we have on root partition | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least if the sum of available + used > total | 23:20 |
| ceene | i think the biggest problem regarding that is that they don't take into account some of the partitions, or even folders | 23:21 |
| ceene | since they are not intended to be user accesible | 23:21 |
| ceene | they do strange things and you can see "300MB free" and trying to install a 5MB app ends on "Insufficient disk space" | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I've read the article now, and I have to say Android storage is a bizarre nightmare | 23:40 |
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