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| Luke-Jr | ok, so I'm giving up on fixing USB and moving to turning the backup N900 into my main one | 05:07 |
| Luke-Jr | what's the best firmware image to flash nowadays | 05:08 |
| Luke-Jr | ? | 05:08 |
| Luke-Jr | and best way to backup/restore whatever's on there right now? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 seems last updated in 2012 :x | 05:20 |
| Oksana | no clue, unfortunately. I haven't tried to flash anything in a long time | 05:32 |
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| Luke-Jr | :x | 05:44 |
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| pigeons | i think i used the image from 2012, then enable cssu repos then update | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~flashing | 05:51 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~cssu | 05:52 |
| infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and fot mirgartion: | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~bm | 05:55 |
| infobot | it has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 | 05:55 |
| Luke-Jr | download page has dead links for "OS images to reflash your tablet: N900 - N810 - N800 - 770." | 05:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | as does http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux_PC | 05:57 |
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| Maxdamantus | Wouldn't it make more sense to copy your existing system to the current-backup device? | 06:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Don't need any flashing nonsense. | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | would you mind reading the full factoid? | 06:12 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: the latter says only for your personal use :p | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your problem | 06:19 |
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| Luke-Jr | ~flasher | 06:34 |
| infobot | flasher is, like, at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 06:34 |
| Luke-Jr | hmm, what was the open source clone? | 06:34 |
| Luke-Jr | Maxdamantus: is there a way to do that? | 06:36 |
| Maxdamantus | Luke-Jr: tar, netcat | 06:40 |
| Luke-Jr | lol | 06:40 |
| Maxdamantus | maybe lzop in the middle (gzip -1 probably won't help if you're limited to N900's wifi) | 06:40 |
| Luke-Jr | I happen to also have only 1 battery ;p | 06:40 |
| Maxdamantus | So send it to a computer. That way it also works as a backup. | 06:41 |
| Luke-Jr | how do you swap the old OS for the new one though? | 06:41 |
| pigeons | the open source one is 0xFFFF i think | 06:41 |
| Maxdamantus | unless you mean you need to have your phone usable over that period. | 06:41 |
| Maxdamantus | You'd do that from something like rescueOS. | 06:42 |
| Luke-Jr | ~0xffff | 06:42 |
| infobot | 0xffff is probably https://github.com/pali/0xFFFF, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87996 | 06:42 |
| Maxdamantus | ~rescueos | 06:42 |
| infobot | rescueos is probably http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/ | 06:42 |
| Luke-Jr | thx | 06:42 |
| Maxdamantus | It's just a small system you can run in memory. | 06:43 |
| Luke-Jr | heh | 06:43 |
| Luke-Jr | amy ideas on how to do rescueOS without a USB port? XD | 06:43 |
| Maxdamantus | I meant the copy to the target device. | 06:43 |
| Maxdamantus | You should pretty much be okay tarring a live system. | 06:44 |
| Luke-Jr | k | 06:44 |
| * Luke-Jr ponders if rsync is sufficient or if tar is necessary | 06:44 | |
| Maxdamantus | rsync would be okay too. | 06:45 |
| Maxdamantus | though you probably wouldn't want to do it over ssh tbh | 06:45 |
| Maxdamantus | unless you use one of the slower ciphers, maybe. | 06:45 |
| Luke-Jr | eh, what else is going to provide me data integrity? | 06:45 |
| Maxdamantus | rsync probably provides it. | 06:46 |
| Maxdamantus | but there's also TCP. | 06:46 |
| Maxdamantus | and ethernet. | 06:47 |
| Maxdamantus | those all provide data integrityp. | 06:47 |
| Luke-Jr | not really :p | 06:47 |
| Maxdamantus | and just checked, rsync does indeed checksum the things it sends. | 06:49 |
| Maxdamantus | (irrelevant to the checksum-based update test it can also do) | 06:49 |
| Maxdamantus | but yes, really, those all provide data integrity. | 06:49 |
| Maxdamantus | Otherxwise you'd ocassionally see random corrupted messages on IRC, because IRC doesn't provide anything. | 06:50 |
| Maxdamantus | (it just relies on TCP being integral) | 06:50 |
| Luke-Jr | I *do* see occasional corrupt messages on IRC.. <.< | 06:53 |
| Luke-Jr | although I'm not sure it's because of that | 06:53 |
| Luke-Jr | IRC is a lot less data though | 06:53 |
| Maxdamantus | You might be seeing messages in different character encodings. | 06:54 |
| Luke-Jr | nah, it's backspace characters | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | when people actually mean to backspace | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | anyway, rsyncd is not on Maemo :/ | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | how will I copy the kernel? | 06:55 |
| Luke-Jr | almost certain that the one on the new N900 doesn't have Thumb fixes | 06:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Luke-Jr: install BM and copy your ols data to a uSD | 07:03 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer51: rsync+SSH is so much faster than uSD, is it good enough? | 07:07 |
| Maxdamantus | rync without SSH is probably a lot faster than rsync+SSH | 07:07 |
| * Luke-Jr wonders why uSD is so slow | 07:07 | |
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| Maxdamantus | ie, when running a dedicated rsync server on one of the systems. | 07:08 |
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| Maxdamantus | microSD is faster than WiFi for me atm | 07:08 |
| Maxdamantus | it seems to vary between cards. | 07:08 |
| Luke-Jr | I have some Class 10 64G card | 07:09 |
| Maxdamantus | The class classification also seems questionable. | 07:09 |
| Maxdamantus | SD cards do weird organisational things that make their performance difficult to predict. | 07:10 |
| Luke-Jr | :/ | 07:10 |
| Maxdamantus | depends highly on how you use it, how you've used it in the past, etc | 07:10 |
| Luke-Jr | ext2? :P | 07:13 |
| Maxdamantus | ext2 is only part of it. | 07:15 |
| Maxdamantus | writing large files in sequence in ext2 is quite different to writing many small files in ext2. | 07:15 |
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| Nenuli | hi. I was told by dimir to come here. I'm a journalist from Finland and would like to know if it's realistic that Turing Robotic Industries might start using maemo in their future phones | 09:55 |
| Nenuli | I know most medias are reporting that they would start with sailfish, but the ceo explicitly mentioned maemo to us | 09:55 |
| Nenuli | I work for a business daily called Kauppalehti | 09:56 |
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| Defiant | I wonder what there problem with sailfish is | 10:06 |
| Maxdamantus | Shopping news. | 10:06 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine it wouldn't be particularly unrealistic. | 10:08 |
| Defiant | isn't maemo a bit too outdated for new devices? | 10:09 |
| Nenuli | so it's possible to start developing an os based on maemo? is it fully open source nowadays? | 10:09 |
| Maxdamantus | What do you mean by "maemo" and "outdated"? | 10:09 |
| Maxdamantus | The software people are running on their N900s is outdated in the sense that they're running a really old version of Linux with a really old version of glibc and an old version of Xorg, etc | 10:10 |
| Maxdamantus | Most of the components that make Maemo what it is aren't exactly outdated. | 10:10 |
| Maxdamantus | It's not fully open source, but it's more open source that it was when Nokia released it. | 10:11 |
| Maxdamantus | People have made replacements for various closed source components for various reasons. | 10:11 |
| Maxdamantus | The effort there will probably need to continue to support the Neo900 too, so it might be relatively easy for other devices to take advantage of that. | 10:12 |
| Nenuli | okay. what would be the advantage of starting with maemo opposed to starting with sailfish then? | 10:13 |
| Maxdamantus | I imagine it would mostly be to do with what the users want as an OS. | 10:15 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect Maemo/N900 is perceived as less like a typical phone OS. | 10:16 |
| Nenuli | but would TRI get maemo for free? so that might be an advantage? | 10:20 |
| Nenuli | I presume they would have to pay to jolla for using sailfish | 10:20 |
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| KotCzarny | luke-jr: idea, consider soldering cable to usb pad then glueing the port somewhere else? | 11:15 |
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| KotCzarny | or even preparing contact pad and making a clip to keep it in place (if not soldering) | 11:16 |
| Luke-Jr | out of time, unfortunately. maybe I can revisit when I get back :/ | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | kind of piece of plastic with traces that will contact the pad on the board | 11:16 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, just an idea so you can still use the broken one as a devel device | 11:17 |
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| Luke-Jr | how do you get a SSH server on rescueOS? :/ | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | i think telnet is tarted by default | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | telnetd | 11:56 |
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| Luke-Jr | All 1024 scanned ports on 192.168.2.15 are closed | 12:28 |
| Maxdamantus | `which sshd` | 12:31 |
| Maxdamantus | or: $(which sshd) | 12:31 |
| Maxdamantus | Might not be able to type the backticks. | 12:32 |
| Maxdamantus | Actually, there is no sshd. | 12:33 |
| Maxdamantus | but yeah, there's telnet .. /rescueOS/enabletelnet.sh | 12:34 |
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| * fredd raises pitch fork | 12:41 | |
| fredd | ceene where is my Yappari 2.0.27 fixing lost messages!? | 12:41 |
| * fredd also admits shyly he kind of got addicted to voting packages to extras. | 12:42 | |
| bencoh | hm. | 12:42 |
| fredd | !seen joppu | 12:43 |
| bencoh | infobot: ! | 12:44 |
| fredd | I need joppu to push through Array theme 1.2 to testing-extras (been in devel for 5 years now). | 12:45 |
| fredd | :c | 12:45 |
| fredd | http://maemo.org/packages/view/array-theme/ | 12:46 |
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| ceene | fredd: that'll take a long time | 13:10 |
| ceene | it'll be 3.0.0 in fact | 13:10 |
| ceene | as it'll be based on a different WA library | 13:10 |
| ceene | and will probably have less features than current one | 13:10 |
| ceene | until little by little i can change all the api calls to the new | 13:10 |
| ceene | fredd: do you know how to code? :) | 13:11 |
| fredd | I once pointed a pointer to a random memory address and assigned true to it and I had to buy a new computer. | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Were you in real mode? | 13:14 |
| ceene | that shouldn't happen unless we're talking about UEFI computers | 13:14 |
| ceene | which go to hell when you rm -rf /sys | 13:14 |
| Maxdamantus | or maybe on a system without an MMU. | 13:14 |
| freemangordon_ | YAY, managed to bring tidspbridge up on 4.5-rc5 :) | 13:17 |
| ceene | great!! | 13:17 |
| freemangordon_ | yep, now the hard part begins :D | 13:18 |
| ceene | that was the easy one? | 13:18 |
| freemangordon_ | yeah | 13:18 |
| freemangordon_ | now it needs to be migrated to DMA API, IOMMU API and remoteproc :D | 13:19 |
| freemangordon_ | and whatnot else | 13:19 |
| freemangordon_ | to be in a shape close to what is needed for upstreaming | 13:19 |
| freemangordon_ | anyone want to help? | 13:22 |
| ceene | i'd like to, but i don't think i have the knowledge | 13:23 |
| ceene | i don't even know what's the tidspbridge for | 13:23 |
| freemangordon_ | noone has it | 13:23 |
| freemangordon_ | IVA2 aka DSP - the one that is used to decode videos via HW on N900 | 13:24 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: \o/ | 13:25 |
| bencoh | I really should've bought a dev n900 | 13:26 |
| freemangordon_ | is it late now? | 13:26 |
| bencoh | it's harder here than in europe | 13:27 |
| freemangordon_ | aah | 13:27 |
| Maxdamantus | I bought one off eBay then a few days later one appeared on the main trading site in our country for the first time since August. | 13:31 |
| Maxdamantus | so I bought that too. | 13:31 |
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| freemangordon_ | oh, it even plays video when booted in maemo with 4.5, am I good :p | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow | 14:02 |
| freemangordon_ | well, video skips frames as I hardcoded DSP freq to 90MHz, but still | 14:02 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon, the maemo hero! | 14:14 |
| * KotCzarny hands the golden crowbar as a sign of appreciation | 14:14 | |
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| freemangordon_ | :) | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so mafw can use DSP now? | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the hardcoding sounds like a minor fix | 14:41 |
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| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer51: hmm? can't parse | 14:44 |
| freemangordon_ | aah, got it | 14:44 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer51: keep in mind we talk linux 4.5 here, in stock kernel it has always been the case | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, of course | 14:45 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, I can now play "Nokia N900" and "9" videos in mediaplayer | 14:45 |
| freemangordon_ | (freshly flashed device, so no other videos) | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I only read the last maybe 50 lines of backscroll | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | audio? | 14:46 |
| freemangordon_ | no audio | 14:46 |
| freemangordon_ | PA is broken with mainline | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | fsck | 14:47 |
| freemangordon_ | there are 2 more major subsystems to be fixed, cameras and audio | 14:47 |
| freemangordon_ | everything else more or less works | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | freqgovernor? | 14:48 |
| freemangordon_ | well, acually audio works, it is PA that doesn;t know how to use it | 14:48 |
| freemangordon_ | CPUFREQ_DT works | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :) | 14:48 |
| freemangordon_ | also, according to tmlind, with a couple of fixes from him (to be in mainline soon) deep idle states work as well | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | zzztop | 14:50 |
| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://pastebin.com/TZ1tv7G1 | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'd be surprised if it works in 45 without patching it | 14:51 |
| freemangordon_ | it works | 14:51 |
| freemangordon_ | :) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, N900 | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pastebin is a tad inconvenient | 14:52 |
| freemangordon_ | sorrry, I am used to it | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wow, great to hear it works | 14:52 |
| freemangordon_ | see http://pastebin.com/j4xpbskF | 14:52 |
| freemangordon_ | this is with charger connected | 14:52 |
| KotCzarny | um | 14:55 |
| KotCzarny | how about f*cking PA and just using alsa? | 14:55 |
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| freemangordon_ | feel free to try it | 14:56 |
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| ceene | the only thing is the filters to avoid frying speakers | 15:20 |
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| HRH_H_Crab | hi all, its time for my six-monthly period of wondering if i can put vanilladebian on my n900 (ideally with a recent kernel). there seem to have been various projects around all of this stuff, is the general feeling that his is the way to go: https://github.com/dderby/debian900 ? | 15:26 |
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| bencoh | HRH_H_Crab: looks like we're getting close :) | 15:57 |
| HRH_H_Crab | bencoh: what do you mean? | 15:59 |
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| ceene | KotCzarny: how's oscp upload going? | 21:06 |
| KotCzarny | not promising anything, but i will try to do it thise weekend/next week | 21:07 |
| ceene | where's download for x86? | 21:08 |
| KotCzarny | on sourceforge | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | http://sourceforge.net/projects/oscp/files/binaries/ | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | remember to install libao | 21:09 |
| ceene | ok, I'm gonna try it now | 21:09 |
| KotCzarny | version is quite old (>3 months), so i have to update that build too at the same time | 21:10 |
| ceene | should i use the i586 version? | 21:10 |
| KotCzarny | i586 is for old boxes, that dont have sse* | 21:11 |
| ceene | ah, ok | 21:11 |
| ceene | this one is new | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | if you have sse then you can grab the regular one | 21:11 |
| KotCzarny | both will work anyway | 21:11 |
| ds3 | dev n900? | 21:41 |
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| ceene | KotCzarny: which is the server? | 22:36 |
| ceene | maybe it's on the tmo thread and i can leave you alone | 22:36 |
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| ceene | ah, i got it now, -L port | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 22:50 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 | 22:50 |
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| KotCzarny | ceene: try -h | 23:00 |
| KotCzarny | and ~/.oscp.conf | 23:00 |
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