IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2016-02-17

keriowhat is zfs00:00
bencohI wouldn't say the linux kernel is better than the openbsd one regarding, say, aslr/pax :)00:01
bencohdrivers aren't that better either afaict00:02
keriothe lack of drivers can be an issue00:02
bencohperf, on the other hand ...00:02
keriobut i'd bet on the quality of the openbsd drivers every time00:02
keriothey simply don't support shit if they can't make good drivers from good specifications00:03
bencohkerio: remember when they implemented the openbsd wireless broadcom driver? :)00:03
bencoh(and linux was still stuck to some shitty closed blob)00:03
keriostill doesn't support the latest revision of the hardware tho :(00:04
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Wizzupbencoh: grsecurity is way, way ahead of openbsd00:08
Wizzupeven though openbsd likes to claim it lead the field, it's really just following pax' lead, and often not doing it that well00:08
Wizzupzfs replacement? mwah. There's ZOL and btrfs. Neither are as good. but I din't need zfs on most of my machines.00:08
bencohunfortunately grsec is no longer a really stable and opensource solution for me ...00:09
Wizzuphttps://grsecurity.net/~spender/pics/dsc18910.jpg00:09
bencohbeen using it for *years*, but...00:09
keriowell, it's stable *or* opensource00:09
bencohI'm still running old stable versions...00:09
Wizzupgoing to sleep, afk :)00:10
bencohhaha, nice pic :)00:10
bencoh'night :)00:12
DocScrutinizer05why the heck can't they place their pics upright?00:13
bencoh?00:14
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keriocan't waste time rotating pictures when you have to shitpost about openbsd00:16
bencohit shows properly in firefox (?)00:18
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DocScrutinizer05bencoh: sure? http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/16/plasma-desktoptX3616.png00:22
bencohDocScrutinizer05: well, at least it does, here...00:23
DocScrutinizer05so what the heck?00:23
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bencohdunno, but I'm running a freaking old version, so either it doesnt care about some orientation flag, or recent versions are fucked up really bad :]00:25
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kerioit doesn't show properly here00:27
kerioor in chromium00:27
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Luke-Jris anyone actively handling security for CSSU?00:39
Luke-Jrhttps://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.ca/2016/02/cve-2015-7547-glibc-getaddrinfo-stack.html00:40
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Luke-Jr(right before I leave for only having access via very untrusted wifi networks..)00:41
DocScrutinizer05Luke-Jr: I already hollered :-)00:47
DocScrutinizer05actually Wizzup did00:48
keriowhy do we need DNS00:48
keriolet's just use ip addresses00:48
DocScrutinizer05right on right on :-D00:48
Luke-Jrgreat00:48
keriolet's just use tor hidden services00:48
Luke-JrI was about to leave, so I just pulled my NIC until I got home00:48
keriolmao00:48
Luke-Jrkerio: namecoin + tor would potentially work nicely00:49
DocScrutinizer05OpenSuse13.1 still has no patches00:49
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Luke-JrGentoo either, but I backported it myself00:51
Luke-JrI haven't updated my N900 in months00:53
Luke-JrI wonder how safe it is to do right before I'm travelling with it as my primary PC00:53
KotCzarnyyears? ;)00:53
Luke-JrKotCzarny: since whenever I switched to Thumb CSSU ;)00:53
Luke-Jris there any reason to think I could brick it?00:53
kerioa better question is00:54
Luke-JrI'm updating my backups now, yes00:55
keriowhy don't you already have uboot flashed on nand and rescueos installed on emmc *and* usd00:55
Luke-JrI don't even know what half that is00:55
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Luke-Jroh, uSD00:55
Luke-Jrusd looks like teh US Dollar to me :P00:56
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DocScrutinizer51eeeek01:37
keriosinisalo just shit the bed01:37
kerioand died01:37
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DocScrutinizer51kerio: lol01:45
DocScrutinizer51not weekend. unusual01:46
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DocScrutinizer51maybe glibc update :)01:48
keriostill01:49
kerioadams is actually better for me01:49
kerio20 versus 35ms01:49
kerioit's a damn shame that they moved wilhelm01:49
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DocScrutinizer51Im trying to use the Frankfurth one02:07
DocScrutinizer51H+sth02:08
keriothat one is ipv4 only02:09
kerioi had a 0.5ms RTT to wilhelm.freenode.net :'(02:09
DocScrutinizer51nah KORNBLUTH02:09
DocScrutinizer51not H*02:10
DocScrutinizer51you know that freenode infra scanner bot?02:11
keriono02:12
DocScrutinizer51I?ll query you when back home02:12
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DocScrutinizer05ohmy02:32
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OksanaSicelo: Good question. What are id3 tags? Could you please find an audio file with lots of id3 tags, for testing? For example, "tracker-info FILE" recognises title, artist, album, duration, release date, and track number, for a flac file I have, but I wouldn't be sure if these tags are id3 or not...04:21
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: most likely they are, what else could it be - except maybe of pathname05:58
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DocScrutinizer05anyway maybe that helps: http://paste.opensuse.org/800221506:02
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DocScrutinizer05the kid3 file open requester lists "filetype: All Supported Files (*.flac *.oga *.ogg)"06:06
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DocScrutinizer05mmmmpppph, asimov dropped me immediately after login, now on kornbluth again06:13
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Jef91Anyone know if there are still factory restore images for the n9 hosted somewhere online?06:56
Jef91Links on the maemo wiki all appear to be dead06:56
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* Maxdamantus got one from some dodgy looking site.07:04
MaxdamantusIt'd be nice if there were checksums available somewhere.07:05
Jef91Maxdamantus, got a link to said dodgy site? I sold my old n9 and want to wipe my data off of it with a clean install before I mail it out07:05
MaxdamantusI didn't note it down.07:06
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MaxdamantusActually, it looks like it was from some nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com location, but the URLs don't seem to work anymore.07:12
MaxdamantusHost nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)07:13
Jef91urg07:14
Jef91no idea how to get everything off this without something like that >.<07:14
Jef91it has sailfish partitioned on to it and all sorts of toher stuff I can't remember doing07:14
MaxdamantusHow long do you have?07:15
MaxdamantusI can make 59BEC3BC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin (1.9 GiB) and A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin (1.2 GiB) available at about 100 kB/s.07:16
* Maxdamantus wonders what region those are.07:17
Jef91Not shipping it out till tomorrow night07:17
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Jef91I have an unlocked  international n907:17
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MaxdamantusI have a feeling it might depend where you want to use it too.07:17
Maxdamantusbecause afaik there's some sort of firmware included for something to do with the modem.07:18
Jef91ahh07:19
Jef91I'm just going to try and manually remove all my stuff I think07:19
Jef91and leave it to them to deal with it07:19
Maxdamantus005 - Asia/Pacific (incl. Australia/New Zealand, excl. China)07:21
MaxdamantusAh, they're apparently pretty much the same except for 003.07:21
Maxdamantus(China)07:21
Maxdamantushttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8269307:21
Jef91well if you are willing to upload an image for me I'd take it07:22
MaxdamantusOh, the images are compressable.07:22
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MaxdamantusOkay. Hang on.07:28
Jef91Maxdamantus, don't worry about it07:28
Jef91cleared enough to be happy07:29
Jef91thanks for offering07:29
Jef91I'm off - peace07:29
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MaxdamantusOkay then.07:29
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OksanaSicelo: would gladly see an improvement over MussOrgsky. Especially if it was pure Gtk+C aka Hildon, without python.08:01
MaxdamantusThey compress to 1.3 GiB and 996 MiB anyway.08:04
Maxdamantus(with `xz -9`)08:04
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lobitoplease allow access to the website via tor10:13
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MaxdamantusI'm uploading it to mega.10:29
* Maxdamantus wonders what else there is that's convenient.10:32
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bencohhave you tried webarchive, by the way?10:56
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MaxdamantusI don't think that normally stores 2 GiB files.11:03
MaxdamantusOh wow, it does.11:04
Maxdamantushttps://web.archive.org/web/20131112195549/http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0312/7076665785/A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin11:05
MaxdamantusDoesn't have the particular eMMC image though.11:06
SiceloOksana: i've just reid tracker-info on an MP3 with a release year tag .. didn't pick it up11:07
SiceloOksana: i use mid3v2 for tag editing on the N900. i don't remember why i stopped using mussorgsky11:08
Sicelooh wait,  'Audio:ReleaseDate' = '-189388800'11:08
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Siceloi guess that's 1964? (at least N900 is not an iphone .. no bricking oncoming, haha)11:09
MaxdamantusIt's too even.11:10
MaxdamantusWed Jan  1 12:00:00 NZST 196411:10
Siceloeven?11:13
Sicelowell, i edited that track myself, only put in the year. since tracker seems to prefer unix time, i guess there we can't conveniently express year alone? we've got to add date, even seconds :p11:15
Sicelolinux sucks sometimes, i guess11:15
Maxdamantus(6*365 + 2)*24*60*60 = -18938880011:15
Maxdamantuser, s/-//11:15
Siceloso Oksana seems tracker sees those extra tags .. but our UI doesn't show them or use them11:16
bencohMaxdamantus: the archive team did a pretty good job on maemo/meego actually11:24
bencoh(a tad late for meego, since half of it already disappeared, but still :)11:24
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bencohoh, by the way.... https://web.archive.org/web/20141201075625/http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/11:26
bencohI dont know if everything needed for diablo is there11:28
bencohbut I think it's worth checking11:28
bencohKotCzarny: ^11:28
Siceloif any of you could help me get a full datasheet of a chip OCC8001, i'd be much obliged. would give up my extra N900 even. talking about the full datasheet, not the 2 page info document that is on internet11:30
Siceloi tried as best as i could .. no luck :(11:31
jonwilWhat is an OCC8001 exactly?11:31
Siceloa chip that controls what's called D2B bus .. it's an optic fibre based audio + control signal bus used on 1998-2002 Mercedes benz & jaguar cars11:32
bencohewww11:32
jonwilLet me guess, you own a Merc and want to hack it...11:32
Siceloyes :)11:33
Sicelojust the audio system11:33
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Sicelosomeone else did it ... but he wants too much money (for me)11:34
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Sicelojonwil: it's actually very easy .. just want to inject digital audio signal into the head unit .. i can (which it will be fooled into seeing as a cd changer)11:36
Sicelothe only thing is known the initialization sequence of the chip .. can't find that11:37
Sicelocurrently using my N900 fm tx, which works very well11:38
ceenei just fixed my car's stereo yesterday :)11:38
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Sicelowhat was wrong? :)11:39
ceeneit suddenly went silent11:39
ceeneeverything was working: screen, buttons, fm, casette (yeah, it's old!)11:39
ceenebut silent11:39
ceenewe discovered it was due to a chip not getting power at all11:40
ceenewhy? would never know, we lost track of the... track, and we don't know where it was supposed to go11:40
inzdoes working casette mean that it's good at eating tape?11:40
ceeneso i just soldered a new cable from Vcc to the chip11:40
ceeneand it started speaking to me again :)11:40
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ceeneit's a 1993 car with a 1993 radio11:41
ceenehttp://pdf.dzsc.com/OCC/OCC8001-01.pdf this is the chip?11:41
ceeneso you want a full description, of course11:41
Siceloyes ceene11:42
Siceloi searched as much as i could .. didn't get anywhere .. unfortunately no logic analyzers or such fancy equipment at my disposal, so datasheet is the way11:43
ceeneyou may be able to build a simple one with an arduino or whatever11:43
ceeneyou just need to look at the SPI/I2C communication11:43
bencohI'm not even sure there is a "real" datasheet of it11:43
ceenethat's a synchronous serial protocol11:43
ceeneit's quite easy to tap into that11:44
ceenehttps://www.sparkfun.com/products/954411:45
ceenei understand this thing is built explicitely with that purpose in mind11:45
ceeneand it's cheap enough11:46
bencohSicelo: http://kay-bruns.de/comand_spdif_low.pdf this might be of some interest to you though ;)11:46
* Sicelo looks11:46
Sicelokaybruns .. i have it. german :(11:46
Siceloi even wrote to the person .. he didn't get far11:46
Siceloone guy that got it right works for Google, but he is not willing to share. :)11:47
bencohtoo bad11:47
ceenei would go the bus pirate way :)11:47
ceeneit's a nice tool to have anyway11:47
bencohbuspirate was really disappointing (for me at least)11:47
ceenei haven't tried it myself, just read about it11:48
bencohit won't work properly with non-standard voltages11:48
ceeneit isn't any good?11:48
Sicelohmm, the description seems very nice :)11:48
ceeneeven if it's not the perfect tool i think you could use it for that11:48
Siceloi have forgotten the voltages of the d2b system, but i think they are 'reasonable' enough11:49
bencohand the software around it (host libraries/tools) is freaking bad (but that's not really an issue since we could rewrite everything)11:49
bencohceene: I tried using buspirate with a 2.7V i2c ... no luck11:50
bencohit looked pretty bad11:50
Sicelohmm, i see the duded now has firmware file sitting online. maybe RE that11:50
Siceloi know he uses RPi to control the OCC800111:51
ceeneand he has full software available, even on binary form?11:51
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Siceloso what happens is .. on the rpi, he sets it up as an a2dp sink. it send the digital audio and control signals to the chip11:53
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Sicelothat's the only job of thr RPi. it's binary firmawre yes11:53
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ceenewell, you can always tap into output pins of the PI11:53
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ceeneor maybe11:53
ceenereplace /dev/gpio11:53
ceenewith a simple file11:53
ceeneand look at what it's outputing there11:54
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Siceloyes, now that he's got firmware.. i'll look into this again. previoulsy he had nothing at all public, except pictures of his setup11:54
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kerioi wish freenode would just stop11:55
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Siceloceene: bencoh : thanks for the ideas. maybe i'll bug you guys for this again .. & jonwil too :)12:00
Luke-Jrkerio: and leave their servers exploitable?12:01
kerioyolo12:01
Luke-Jrdo we have a fix for CSSU yet? :P12:01
bencohis CSSU vulnerable?12:01
kerioworkaround: don't use domain names12:01
Luke-Jrbencoh: what isn't?12:01
bencohLuke-Jr: too old glibc?12:01
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Luke-Jrhasn't it been years?12:03
Luke-Jroh wait12:03
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bencohhttp://www.infoworld.com/article/3033862/security/patch-now-unix-bug-puts-linux-android-and-ios-systems-at-risk.html12:03
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bencoh"Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 has glibc 2.5, so it isn't vulnerable"12:04
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bencohI dunno ow accurate this statement is, since the google team didn't mention any test on older versions12:05
bencohhow*12:05
keriowait, why does ios use glibc?12:06
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OksanaaWhat program is run-able on Nokia N900 and can convert video from one format (like, mp4) and size (too-large) to other format (ogv?) and size (800x480 or what is N900's resolution?)12:08
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MaxdamantusWhy wouldn't it?12:08
bencohkerio: do they now?12:08
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MaxdamantusIt might just be the part of glibc that provides getaddrinfo.12:09
MaxdamantusIt's somehow separate iirc.12:09
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bencohOksanaa: gstreamer?12:09
bencoh(or ffmpeg, but software encoding/decoding is gonna take ages)12:09
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kerio"Patch now! Unix bug puts Linux, Android, and iOS systems at risk"12:10
kerioi'm pretty sure iOS doesn't use glibc12:10
bencohOksanaa: oh and ... I wouldn't downconvert on n900... really.12:10
OksanaaHmm, should read docs on it... It's annoying when low-resolution (600x360?) webm stutters12:10
bencohkerio: I'm pretty sure they don't either12:10
keriotech "journalists"12:10
bencohOksanaa: vp9 inside?12:10
Oksanaabencoh: yes12:10
OksanaaI think so12:10
bencohwe have no DSP vp9 decoding, so it's done in software, with a really old ffmpeg version12:11
Luke-JrVersion: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu312:11
Luke-Jrguess we're fine12:12
bencohit should be faster with recent ffmpeg (they worked a lot on that during the past years), but ....12:12
OksanaaSo, downconverting on n900 would take ages, and probably drain battery12:12
bencohexactly12:12
bencohwell, not ages actually12:12
OksanaaBut hours at least12:12
bencohcertainly more than realtime playback, if you cant play it :)12:13
OksanaaIf speaking of downconverting from 1280xsomething to 800xsomething, and long video12:13
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bencohhaha, don't even think about that :)12:13
OksanaaBecause upconverting 600xsomething is a travestry, for video quality12:14
bencohtry looking for some h264/SD version12:14
OksanaaWill try12:14
bencohyou don't need to upscale12:14
bencohgstreamer plays non-native resolutions fine12:14
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bencohqt/phonon-based players (cutetube internal player, for instance) have stride issues though12:15
OksanaaStill, I prefer having as high-quality video as it makes sense to. In this case, 848x480 60fps sounds stunning https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37883&page=212:17
* Oksanaa uses default media player12:17
bencohdefault mediaplayer relies on mafw and mafw-gst-renderer, which is basically a gstreamer wrapper12:19
OksanaaBesides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900, which requires native resolution?12:20
bencohdunno about startup videos (I removed it here ;p)12:21
OksanaaWhat, is black screen so nice to look at? /eyebrows/ Or is it making startup faster? ;-)12:22
KotCzarnyusing cpu cycles for actual bootinstead of some flashyflashy things12:25
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OksanaaFlashy things... much of GUI can be called flashy. But it helps user to know when programs are frozen, or not12:51
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bencohOksanaa: doesn't bring anything useful, and it might be a source of issues13:16
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keriolet's not forget that the boot video is one of the main reasons we couldn't have a split /usr14:08
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keriobecause pulseaudio is in /usr, and it's needed to play the sound of the hands video14:09
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DocScrutinizer05((<Oksanaa> Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900,)) go for DONT_PANIC on maemo.cloud-7.de16:16
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L29AhERROR:backup-util.c:270:get_contacts_from_file: assertion failed: (attr_uid)16:19
L29Ahosso-addressbook-backup is fun16:19
L29Ahit requires magic numbering of vcard contacts16:22
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deejaybarhello16:33
deejaybarany plans to release a new cssu-stable with new glib and speedyham?16:34
deejaybarmerlin1991: ;)16:34
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bencohdeejaybar: maemo shouldn't be vulnerable (glibc)16:43
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L29AhFailed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_armel.deb  Size mismatch17:26
L29Ahwhat17:26
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KotCzarnyyeah, someone noticed it already17:29
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Wizzuprobotanarchy_: I'd like to see if I can somehow help with getting sms and phone calls to work on the n900 mainline17:32
Wizzupand if it already works, document that well17:32
Wizzupnot sure if I am interested in a particular UI, but some command line tools would be good17:32
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SiceloWizzup: doesn't work yet?17:36
Sicelosms should be working at least ... you're using ofono or fso?17:36
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WizzupSicelo: IDN. I need to check. Last time I tried the modem didn't work17:46
Wizzupbut now it seems to work17:46
Wizzupso I heard17:46
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dangergrrlHi18:40
KotCzarnydanger grrill?18:41
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dangergrrlShopping for user interfaces for a 2 in 118:52
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dangergrrlAfaik the needed parts of maemo are open source but there would be some issues loved my n900 before it was destroyed18:54
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robotanarchy_Wizzup: thanks for the offer!19:27
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Sicelolooks like it's goodbye to iceweaseal23:42
pigeonsoh?23:46
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Sicelopigeons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=81500623:57

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