IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2016-01-08

PaliIIRC there are no public information how google trolling free users00:00
freemangordonPali: great (re new device)00:02
bencoh(throttling* - trolling is something else ;))00:03
bencoh(google is probably full of trolls nonetheless, but still :))00:03
Palibencoh: in google context it is same00:03
bencohhaha :)00:03
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Palinice, we have http error code for trolling :-)00:09
Paliit is 42900:09
bencoh:)00:17
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Palifreemangordon: btw, are you going to add that system_rev = assignment near that save_atags code?00:27
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freemangordonPali: I thought you will add it :) . I want to finish the other things, esp that onenand problem first00:45
Palithen ok00:45
freemangordonPali: but if you think you won't have time, I'll take that as well00:45
freemangordon?00:46
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jonwilhi02:18
jonwilIf you guys see less of me for a while, its because I am knee deep in Fallout 4 :P02:18
Wizzup:)02:20
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jonwilToo bad the companion phone apps dont work on a N900 :P02:50
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svetlanajonwil, you bastard! you getting addicted to that spying proprietary element of control over you! ;)02:52
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OksanaaAbout inability to go past hildon-welcome if touchscreen is out of service: there is nifty file /etc/X11/Xsession.post/04hildon-welcome-wait which speaks of sleeping while hildon-welcome is not passed03:49
OksanaaIf this script is made a tad more complicated, it could bypass hildon-welcome?03:49
jonwilhildon-welcome is what?03:51
jonwilIsn't that the thing that displays the hands animation?03:51
jonwilif you mean the thing that sets the clock etc, thats osso-startup-wizard I believe03:52
OksanaaAh, thank you. Confused them...03:53
OksanaaStill, sleep 1 while hildon-welcome is here is funny...03:54
kerioi think i have neither of those installed03:55
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OksanaaWhy does osso-startup-wizard care for SIM state?!..04:00
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jonwilThe reason it cares is because if the modem/network/SIM/etc are working, it will use that to get the current date/time from the cellular network04:25
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: on https://github.com/MerlijnWajer/uinput-mapper/blob/master/README.rst at least when watching it in browser there's a typo in the cmdline at bottom. \ missing before 105:36
DocScrutinizer05Wizzup:  sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+).*/"1" : 1,/'      should be      sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+).*/"1" : \1,/'05:37
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not even convinced the "1" is correct05:38
DocScrutinizer05jonwil: alas this generally fails for me, the time from modem isn't available in time.05:44
OksanaYes, same for me. I either put it manually, or wait for startup to go through with wrong time, and then it auto-sets from cellular (unless it forgot the setting for auto-time, just like it sometimes forgets setting for 12-vs-24)05:47
OksanaFixing this functionality would be _great_ . It might or not be related to backup-battery having enough power for the modem?05:48
OksanaScratch that, loss-or-not of data (such as time, date, language, location) from memory should not affect modem, right?05:48
OksanaIt's like, when startup shows correct time, I cannot be sure whether it's because it got it from modem or because it remembered it in memory. But when it does not show correct time, it's obvious that it does not manage to get time from modem.05:50
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: bupbat never powers modem05:58
DocScrutinizer05bupbat only powers RTC in SoC's companion chip TWL4030 aka GAIA, plus a few byte of CMOS-RAM non-volatile memory05:59
Oksana... but it should not affect the problem since startup wizard tries to reach modem when mainbattery is already here. Unless startup modem does not actually know how to wake up modem, or to wait for connection to towers to be established06:00
DocScrutinizer05it takes time to get time from network06:00
OksanaSo... Would it get correct time if startup-wizard was left to rest for a while?06:01
DocScrutinizer05for establishing connection as you said, and also for waiting for next timestamp telegram sent from BTS06:01
OksanaIf yes, then neat, it just needs a progress bar ;-)06:01
DocScrutinizer05yes06:01
DocScrutinizer05actually a "sleep 15" in the initscript which launches startup wizard should already do06:02
DocScrutinizer05unless startup wizard also powers up modem06:03
OksanaYes, that's the question06:03
DocScrutinizer05but I think that's done by CSD06:03
DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall some users completely disabled annoying startup wizard06:03
DocScrutinizer05and their modem still worked ;-)06:03
OksanaIt's not annoying by itself, it's annoying when it stays on for a long time, preventing communication (like receiving calls)06:04
DocScrutinizer05yep06:04
OksanaIt could, for example, auto-proceed after successfully receiving time from modem?06:04
DocScrutinizer05do you happen to know off top of your head where startup wizard gets invoked?06:05
DocScrutinizer05AIUI, it *does* auto-proceed when RTC-time is correct on invokation06:06
OksanaNay. There is /usr/bin/osso-startup-wizard, /usr/bin/osso-startup-wizard.launch, and /usr/bin/osso_startup_wizard/state , or something06:06
DocScrutinizer05yeah, but who calls that?06:06
DocScrutinizer05a grep will tell06:07
OksanaRTC-time can be correct on invocation only if battery held the data intact. It would be nice if it also auto-continued if RTC-time is off, after time gets corrected by modem06:07
OksanaFor example, right now, osso-startup-wizard showed itself... with correct time. Does it mean that it got it from modem, and didn't auto-proceed without user's approval because RTC-clock was off before modem corrected it?06:08
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DocScrutinizer05hmmphh  http://paste.opensuse.org/1032592406:09
OksanaThere is also Xsession.d/3006:10
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DocScrutinizer05Oksana: no, time in RTC can also be correct when modem been fast enough (or had enough time) so it was able to set correct time in system at the moment startup-wizard gets invoked06:10
OksanaBut then, it would have auto-proceeded, instead of waiting for user's "Save" button?06:11
DocScrutinizer05I'm not sure about startupwizard actually automatically proceeding when time is correct06:12
OksanaHn...06:12
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at >> /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/osso-startup-wizard-rfs.sh:rm -f /var/lib/osso-startup-wizard/osso_startup_wizard_state <<06:12
DocScrutinizer05I'm pretty sure this semaphore file is related to whether or not startup-wizard continues or blocks boot06:13
Oksanaosso-startup-wizard gets started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso-startup-wizard or something06:16
OksanaCollected information to decide whether to show GUI: FirstTimeRun, DateTimeUnset, SIMpresent, CurrentSimId, ChangedSettings, ValidPin, SettingsChangedBefore, SimSeenBefore, LastValidSimId, ChangedWithoutSimBefore... It's complicated06:18
OksanaThere is a possibility in osso-startup-wizard to exit if there is no need for it, but what is exactly the equation for auto-proceeding?06:20
DocScrutinizer05funny enough my system has no /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard06:22
OksanaIt's from .launch file, by the way06:22
OksanaIs it  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso-startup-wizard ?06:22
OksanaNokia confuses _ and - , sometimes06:22
OksanaAnd I do not care to remember which one is where06:22
DocScrutinizer05my system has no /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30*06:23
OksanaDo you have osso-startup-wizard installed? What does dpkg -L say?06:23
OksanaAnd yes, I do have  /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard , short-ish as it is06:24
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/2869964206:27
OksanaBy the way, .launch file recognises SIM states possible as Unknown, Ok, PIN requires, SIM removed, SIM permanently blocked, SIMless Offline, PUK required, SIMlock not okay, SIM not ready (let's wait for it), SIMlock initializing, or unknown06:28
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:/home/user# locate Xsession.d/3006:29
DocScrutinizer05locate: Warnung: Die Datenbank "/var/cache/locate/locatedb" ist älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 135,8 Tage).06:29
DocScrutinizer05/media/mmc1p2/etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xTs_Calibrate06:29
DocScrutinizer05/media/mmc1p2/N900-1-archive/etc/X11/Xsession.d/30osso_startup_wizard06:29
OksanaHeh, in archive...06:29
OksanaRenamed to prevent wizard from showing up?06:30
DocScrutinizer05err, I think it still shows up06:30
DocScrutinizer05but maybe I actually nuked it, lemme try06:30
DocScrutinizer05a pity after only 20 days of uptime06:31
OksanaOuch... :-) Funny name does not nuke it? Wizard states are: settings-changed, SIM-seen, changed-without-pin? I am just guessing from binary file opened with vim06:32
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DocScrutinizer05I usually do the 'funny name' thing when I wanna get rid of files06:33
DocScrutinizer05let's see, I hope it was long enough with no batt06:33
OksanaWhy does binary.launch file mention scratchbox? Maybe, it considered 30 to be more important than the filenametail?06:33
DocScrutinizer05hmm, dunno, either it was not long enough or this device has excellent bupbat or I actually did remove the 30 file06:35
DocScrutinizer05anyway time is correct06:36
OksanaOokay... Just don't be surprised when it boots up with wrong language and-or location ;-)06:36
DocScrutinizer05and that's probably why I removed that 30* file06:36
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DocScrutinizer05why would it boot with wrong location or lang when I previously set it correctly?06:37
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DocScrutinizer05no, never seen it forgetting lang or (timezone)location06:40
DocScrutinizer05timezone otoh is supposed to get auto-updated on roaming - if the cellular network provides all the needed data correctly06:40
OksanaI know, I just mean that sometimes I have seen the device forgetting both auto-update-from-modem-setting and 12-vs-24 setting. Not so sure about language-and-or-location, it is not that obvious (English-USA vs English-UK)06:41
DocScrutinizer05never happened to me so far06:41
DocScrutinizer05but then I almost never shutdown hard06:41
* Oksana winces - having "Recharge battery" shutdown is not rare for me06:42
DocScrutinizer05well, that's a graceful shutdown06:42
OksanaWell, I also have moments when GUI freezes, and the only way to do anything is to shut-down it with power button. Is it graceful, too?06:43
DocScrutinizer05I may note that I'm not running the BME-replacements. All stock on my system06:43
DocScrutinizer05yes, that should also be almost graceful06:44
OksanaBecause I do not have cases (well, haven't had them for a very long time) when I would have to take the battery out without shutting down first06:44
OksanaTo be fair, LED does not work, so taking battery out is always case of wait-and-guess06:45
DocScrutinizer05well, when startup-wizard never runs, those config files never are opened in write-mode and thus no buffers may get lost during hard shutdown ;-)06:45
DocScrutinizer05oh that's a pity06:46
OksanaI should just replace flex-ribbon, front-camera doesn't work either06:47
DocScrutinizer05:-/06:47
DocScrutinizer05for "wait and guess" a count up to 40 is not unreasonable06:48
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DocScrutinizer05btw /etc/osso-cud-scripts/ seem to be CleanUpDevice06:58
DocScrutinizer05lemme guess - rfs then means ResetFactoryState06:58
DocScrutinizer05as in /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/06:59
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DocScrutinizer05rtcom-eventlogger-clean.sh :-))07:00
DocScrutinizer05now after 5 years the *official* method to handle bloated eventlog-db07:00
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DocScrutinizer05:-)) http://paste.opensuse.org/26394682 :-))07:02
OksanaHmm, wouldn't cleaning eventlog remove all SMS or something?07:02
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly07:03
DocScrutinizer05all SMS and all call-log07:03
freemangordon~rescueos07:03
infoboti guess rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/07:03
* Oksana is rather attached even to such useless things07:03
OksanaIt's a case of "my cellular provider knows when I send and receive SMS, why shouldn't I know it, too?" Somewhat similar to lifelogging concept07:04
DocScrutinizer05well, once your $HOME/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db grows to several MB size, you really want to backup it and then run /etc/osso-cud-scripts/rtcom-eventlogger-clean.sh07:08
OksanaDoes the Conversations become too sluggish?07:10
DocScrutinizer05everything comes to a grinding halt when an inbound call pulls in the complete 30MB el-v1.db into RAM cache07:12
DocScrutinizer05it's a rdbms file, and you know how those are handled, right?07:14
OksanaHrm, wouldn't it be a question of separating database into monthly chunks-files, and only handling one or two files at a time?07:14
OksanaIt's not like Photos doesn't have an option already to display images grouped by months, so it would fit the them07:16
Oksanatheme*07:17
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OksanaOr, just have separate databases for separate contacts. Like, when you want to add something to database, you already know the phone-number-or-whatever, and you can pull up appropriate database. But, number of months in a lifetime is likely larger than number of contacts, and the spread is more uniform, so it would make more sense to go with months, as long as you know time correctly07:20
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: you noticed that missed calls adds the number of not yet seen missed calls from same number and lists them only once, with a integer showing how many calls you missed? This will need the db crawling through all records, even when they are separated into many files. Also a rdbms doesn't work like "let's chunk it up into files"07:23
OksanaIn fact, most parts of the system would not notice if they were fed only last-month part of database. Like, user would not need to know about calls missed previous month, or the month before that. But, user would need a file-defensive script for moving files around when the next month comes.07:24
DocScrutinizer05anyway rtcom-call-ui rtcom-messaging-ui osso-addressbook all three access this el-v1.db and it seems to me we can't change those three programs easily07:25
OksanaBut, scrolling down the conversations, and into earlier messages (be it in main-list or in separate-conversation) would be tricky. And calling up communication history with a contact. And yes, all these programs are not easily changable.07:26
* DocScrutinizer05 should actually clean out his el-v1.db - it's again 1.3MB07:38
DocScrutinizer05also when you clean resp delete the el-v1.db, don't forget to again add the stored procedures to calculate call duration07:40
* DocScrutinizer05 glares at recaller, which doesn't record SIP07:41
OksanaWhat about orecchiette? Does it record SIP?07:45
OksanaAlbeit, it has to have its GUI started up, to be able to auto-record calls07:45
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DocScrutinizer05I'm sure patching recaller would be rather easy. The author simply didn't think of SIP when defining the dbus messages to listen for08:15
DocScrutinizer05actually _I_ wouldn't listen for the call messages but for the audio policy changes08:16
DocScrutinizer05well, you want to listen for the call messages anyway, for the telefone numbers08:17
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DocScrutinizer05KDE custom shortcut, trigger: "Search" (((searchkey on my mouse)))  Action: Command/URL:  /usr/bin/kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing "https://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=`qdbus org.kde.klipper /klipper getClipboardContents`"09:37
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KotCzarnytechporn: http://i.imgur.com/UOv9RUD.gif?_You_guys_clearly_aren__039_t_fucking_appreciating_all_this_shit.10:21
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WizzupDocScrutinizer05: you're right, let me look at that...11:01
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DocScrutinizer05Wizzup: I get a list like http://paste.opensuse.org/6742143 even with the fixed \11:09
DocScrutinizer05is this how it's supposed to look?11:10
Wizzupno11:11
DocScrutinizer05thought as much :-)11:11
Wizzuphttp://sprunge.us/RHSC11:11
DocScrutinizer05yeah, gathered that. And I suspect the first part should be a "\2" maybe? instead of the "1"11:12
DocScrutinizer05lemme try if I can fix it by guessing11:12
DocScrutinizer05actually nope, \1 needs to be \211:14
Wizzupwhat gcc version do you have11:14
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Wizzupit works for me, oddly enough11:16
DocScrutinizer05sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+)(.*)/"\1" : \2,/'  ?11:17
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DocScrutinizer05after sed it looks like http://paste.opensuse.org/7198302811:19
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/96477214  is the result of      gcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | egrep ' (EV|SYN|KEY|BTN|REL|ABS|MSC|LED|SND|REP|SW)_[A-Za-z0-9_]+' | ( echo "#include <linux/input.h>" ; echo "input_constants_dict = {" ; sed -r 's/[^ ]+ +([^ ]+)(.*)/"\1" : \2,/' ; echo "}" ) | gcc -E -o /dev/stdout - | grep 'input_constants_dict = {' -A 100000 > uinputmapper/uinput_gen.py jr@saturn:~> less uinputmapper/uinput_gen.py11:20
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DocScrutinizer05does this look ok-ish to you?11:21
DocScrutinizer05well, it's the head -n 4611:22
WizzupYeah, that looks good11:22
WizzupI think :)11:22
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DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/75886370 full11:24
DocScrutinizer05cmd: http://paste.opensuse.org/9803183511:25
DocScrutinizer05don't ask me what the second gcc does11:25
DocScrutinizer05I fixed the whole thing by mere guessing11:25
Wizzupok - I would like to work on it more now, but must dash to work - back later :)11:26
DocScrutinizer05:-)11:26
DocScrutinizer05I'll pester you how to actually install that thing, then11:26
MaxdamantusIt presumably expands the macro labels that aren't inside string literals.11:26
Maxdamantusgcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | sed 's/^.*\(\(EV\|SYN\|KEY\|BTN\|REL\|ABS\|MSC\|LED\|SND\|REP\|SW\)_[A-Za-z0-9_]\+\).*$/"\1": \1/te; d; :e' | gcc -E -o - -11:31
DocScrutinizer05http://paste.opensuse.org/1951491811:32
Maxdamantusgcc -E -dM /usr/include/linux/input.h | (echo '#include <linux/input.h>' && sed 's/^.*\(\(EV\|SYN\|KEY\|BTN\|REL\|ABS\|MSC\|LED\|SND\|REP\|SW\)_[A-Za-z0-9_]\+\).*$/"\1": \1/te; d; :e') | gcc -E -o - -11:35
MaxdamantusMeh.11:35
MaxdamantusSo that's what the final grep is for.11:35
MaxdamantusMissed a semicolon too, before the `te`11:38
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stevenmanyone know what SIP User Agent that n900/maemo uses (as seen from a sip server) ?14:24
stevenmI know Symbian devices would use things like 'Nokia RM-244 400.34.0.11' - but with n900 being linux I'm not sure14:25
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stevenmhmm i think it mightbe Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.114:27
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bencohwould make sense since it uses telepathy15:11
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DocScrutinizer05stevenm: yep17:17
DocScrutinizer05sth like that17:18
stevenmsth!?17:18
stevenmoh something17:18
stevenmcan it be changed?  the platform i'm trying to connect to checks useragents and allows s60 devices though - but wouldn't allow that through17:19
DocScrutinizer05Telepathy-SofiaSIP17:19
DocScrutinizer05duh, it checks the type of client?17:19
stevenmyup17:19
DocScrutinizer05I'm afraid this string is prolly hardcoded into the SIP lib17:20
DocScrutinizer05which means you can change it with a hexeditor17:20
Sicelowhy would they do that by the way?17:20
stevenmSicelo, you mean 'why have they done that by the way?'17:20
DocScrutinizer05do what? check client name?17:20
stevenmbecause they're BT and they're shit17:21
Sicelowhat's BT?17:21
stevenmhttps://www.btwholesale.com/pages/static/products-services/ip-voice-services.htm17:21
stevenmtheir SBC checks user agents so only approved devices which they've checked for compatibility can connect17:21
Siceloso are you sure only S60?17:21
Sicelohmm17:21
stevenmno lots of others too - but I have an asterisk server I managed to connect (which I can change user agents on) so I can test which user agents get past and register... and which don't17:22
stevenms60 devices are approved anyway17:22
Siceloi just wonder if the N900 is not failing something else (not necessarily UA).. for example, N900 can't connect to Ekiga servers17:23
stevenmwho said I'd even tried it?17:23
stevenmif the useragent is Telepathy-SofiaSIP then then I've tried that on my test asterisk install and it failed - where as a Nokia RM-?? user agent works17:24
Sicelook17:24
stevenmdon't worry about it anyway - lots of stuff doesn't work with their crappy platform17:25
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stevenmthats why i've got asterisk in the first place to act as a proxy... although i'd much rather use kamailio but i'm not sure how to yet17:25
DocScrutinizer05Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2  in /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip17:31
DocScrutinizer05a ~>     cp /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip_BACKUP; sed -i s#Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2#S60                     # /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip   ;#      should do17:41
DocScrutinizer05though it seems you have an old version 0.5.18.1, so you should find the string by yourself (strings /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-sofiasip|grep SofiaSIP) and make sure you replace it by exactly same number of chars via sed17:48
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Sicelohahaha!!23:14
Sicelogot OWA access via own method23:15
SiceloI'll close the ticket with IT Dept.23:15
Sicelohttps://github.com/iSECPartners/jailbreak helped .. to export a non-exportable cert. N900 happily accepted it23:17
kerio?23:20
Sicelofor context, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2015-12-21.log.html#t2015-12-21T10:43:0223:27
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