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| KotCzarny | dammit. why couldn't upnp be simple as html browsing | 18:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | js/xml/soap/json/xlat/xslt/oauth/ssl/... | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | *SIMPLE* | 19:38 |
| KotCzarny | i know file/dir attrs might be important, but. | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - I was arguing that html browsing isn't very simple | 19:39 |
| KotCzarny | speedevil, by any chance you know about upnp a/v? | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | regrettably not, sorry | 19:40 |
| * Sicelo wonders what KotCzarny needs to do | 19:50 | |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: implement upnp a/v directory browser | 19:50 |
| KotCzarny | but without adding too much bloat | 19:50 |
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| KotCzarny | if i manage to write simple client, oscp will be able to browse and access mediaservers on the network | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | aren't there already libraries for that? or you want to code your own? | 19:56 |
| Sicelo | on unrelated note, this seems interesting, and cheap: http://pine64.com/ | 19:57 |
| KotCzarny | those libs are fat or c++ | 19:57 |
| Sicelo | maybe build against the libs already on device? | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: oscp is multiplatform, it will have to work with different envs | 19:59 |
| KotCzarny | including cygwin | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | good luck :) | 20:00 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder how much is s&h for that pine64 | 20:02 |
| KotCzarny | 19usd for quadcore with 1GB of ram is pretty sweet price | 20:04 |
| KotCzarny | also, i'm confused, there is no way to buy it | 20:05 |
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| sunshavi | KotCzarny: nice device, i just bought a chep android table, n800 battery beats that crap | 20:10 |
| KotCzarny | sunshavi: um? | 20:10 |
| sunshavi | midm-k8 is the model. It is a generic one | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | quite quiet! quit? | 20:11 |
| sunshavi | i like the n800 dpad more than everything | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oops nope, just scrollback error | 20:12 |
| KotCzarny | yes, n800 is nice | 20:12 |
| sunshavi | good light notification, when chat or email arrives, n900 does offer smth similar to the dpad | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: 810 dpad better | 20:12 |
| Sicelo | yeah KotCzarny. the price is really nice on that pine | 20:13 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: probably, but not near my hand here on south america | 20:13 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: that pine is either just rounding up that website or vaporware | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess 810 is easier to find than 800. But maybe I'm wrong | 20:14 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I like that pine. I hope the processor is better than the cheap allwinner or rockchip, that there is plenty here | 20:14 |
| KotCzarny | sunshavi: isnt a53 allwinner already on that pic? | 20:15 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I have not checked carefully. Let me see | 20:15 |
| KotCzarny | logo is similar, and model number. actually its a64 | 20:16 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: Yes. It is an allwinner. But perhaps Miles May vary, or with a great battery | 20:16 |
| KotCzarny | The AllWinner A64 chip comes with four Cortex A53 Cores which are power efficient as well as powerful | 20:17 |
| KotCzarny | a64 costs just 5$ | 20:18 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: n800 for me is almost a laptop replacement, I am near to port mbsync to it for reading MailDir, and is is going to be almost complete, a great bluetooth keyboard would be a nice addition, I have a video doing a hello_world app with C there | 20:18 |
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| sunshavi | another great thing about the virtual keyboard on the n800 is the toolbar, on android, there is no posibility to have smth like It. All the virtual_kbd or nothing on android | 20:20 |
| KotCzarny | sunshavi, if you want alternative vkb, you might try xvkbd | 20:20 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: on android? | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | on n800 | 20:21 |
| KotCzarny | i was missing quick hide/show button and full kb layout, so i hacked xvkbd and it worked great | 20:21 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I am in love with the default virtual keyboard, 4 me nothing beats it | 20:21 |
| sunshavi | after personalizing the toolbar. It is great for ur own needs. xvkdb has a toolbar? | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | xvkbd has customizable layout | 20:22 |
| KotCzarny | o you can also add multichar sequences etc | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=164137&postcount=8 | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | this is how i use it | 20:23 |
| KotCzarny | also, keys have smart wheel, ie. you can long press them then select ctrl/shift etc from popup | 20:24 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I use emacs on the n800, toolbar, let mi use it as a browser, and reclaim most of the space for displaying the news, web pages or whatever Y want to wach on the n800 | 20:24 |
| KotCzarny | i shall reup the files somewhere one day | 20:25 |
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| sunshavi | KotCzarny: I should just sacrifice one line, that's the reason for my pleasure with the toolbar (more space available). But probably I should try xvkbd too. And see by myself | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: I learned about Nokia NIT in Taipei from rasterman who brought a N800 to our openmoko appartment. Back in Europe first thing to do was get me a N810 :) | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then eventually Nokia announced N900 and I fell in love | 20:27 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: lol, that's great. I heard about n800 on palm mailing list | 20:27 |
| KotCzarny | n900 has no dpad on the front | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | right | 20:28 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: I have one n900 also. But for me n800 is a way better, cos of the dpad, It is turned on always on my home | 20:28 |
| sunshavi | now, we are chatting cos my workstation is connected throught bluetooth to n800, n800 provides internet to this workstation | 20:29 |
| Sicelo | and i first come into contact with NITs in 2010 following an boredom-induced google search for "linux phone" | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes, I complained massively about Usability and GUI dudes dropping the comprehensive hotkey support and dpad on N900 | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: we're also chatting because of N900 xchat is an easy going even in holiday | 20:31 |
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| sunshavi | My dream for being "environmentally friendly" is having the n800 connected to www throught an usb_ethernet adapter, and just publish a bluetooth network, turning down completely the wifi, :) | 20:32 |
| KotCzarny | usb host mode in n8x0 is quirky :/ | 20:32 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: lol, that's great and funny, our digital life depends on NIT's | 20:33 |
| Sicelo | no. our lives :) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes :) | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | sunshavi: i love thinkpads | 20:33 |
| KotCzarny | but the old ones, before lenovo trashed them into current state | 20:33 |
| sunshavi | mee too, but I just have a toshiba m35x | 20:33 |
| sunshavi | yes, but, I have a compaq n600c, have the same kbd as thinkpads | 20:34 |
| sunshavi | my child use the compaq n600c a lot | 20:34 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 20:34 |
| sunshavi | and I did some months ago, when my powercord was lost | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | i have few of them in regular use, x40, x60s, x61, t61 | 20:35 |
| sunshavi | with coreboot? | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | x40 is the piece of engineering art | 20:35 |
| KotCzarny | coreboot? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway afk again. expired my allowed online aka work worry time | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 20:35 |
| sunshavi | right, coreboot, a free bios, that let Unix improve boot time | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ohmy | 20:36 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, would love to, but it requires tools i dont have | 20:36 |
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| sunshavi | there is a how to for t60 of x60, if memory does fails me | 20:46 |
| sunshavi | replace(of|or) | 20:46 |
| sunshavi | thinkpads are coreboot friendly | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but it requires hardware tool, ie. you cant flash chip from any os because bios locks it | 20:46 |
| KotCzarny | once you do it, you can reflash it without the tool | 20:47 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: right. | 20:47 |
| KotCzarny | unless they found a way | 20:48 |
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| sunshavi | let me find the article | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x60/Installation | 20:54 |
| KotCzarny | just reading | 20:54 |
| sunshavi | https://blogs.fsfe.org/the_unconventional/2015/05/08/coreboot-t60-raspberry-pi/ | 20:55 |
| sunshavi | even, I remember i mailed the author. A very nice person. btw | 20:56 |
| KotCzarny | i think they worked it around | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | nice | 20:57 |
| KotCzarny | but windows doesnt boot with coreboot, he he | 21:04 |
| sunshavi | KotCzarny: lol | 21:11 |
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| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: do you own an n810? | 21:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: 2 | 21:36 |
| sunshavi | :o, that's great, I have 2 n800 too | 21:37 |
| sunshavi | Do You use it regularly? | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: 2 | 21:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | or was it 3? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | then I got me 3 N900 before I got another few dozen of them | 21:41 |
| sunshavi | lol, Do You program with it?. Just with the device alone, not ssh, or kbd | 21:42 |
| sunshavi | lol, I just have one N900, but I would like to have one more | 21:42 |
| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51 replace-string("or kdb"|"or bluetooth kbd") | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | huh? | 21:43 |
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| sunshavi | lol, Do You program with it?. Just with the device alone, not ssh, | 21:44 |
| sunshavi | or bluetooth kdb. Resending again corrected | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not a full time sw developer (any more) | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm getting old, so resorting to management mainly | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | plus a tad of hw development | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | damn bot scheduler :-( | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ns info infobot | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grrr | 21:48 |
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| Win7Mac | hi | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: last thing I did for maemo development was h-e-n | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | is it correct to distinguish between binary + installable/executable? | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | or better to seperate those in terms? | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | niary needs to be compiled, right? | 21:53 |
| Win7Mac | *binary | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | executable could also be script | 21:56 |
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| Win7Mac | thanks doc, btw, if you engage in maemo development, you may get rewarded, Council is planning a CC... hence I'm asking | 21:57 |
| Win7Mac | and we'd love to have a Neo category, just not sure how that could be any different from N900... | 21:59 |
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| kerio | what's a CC | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | There is the idea of category "Free it" (backport, replace or supersede closed packages) | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | Coding Competition | 22:00 |
| Win7Mac | 2016 | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | doing real work is a full time job. No spare time for applying to any contests. YMMV | 22:03 |
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| sunshavi | DocScrutinizer51: what is h-e-n "hostmode?" | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | Do you see a way how a CC could support fpft? | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I could 0ply with h-e-n, or fmg with thumb, both mission accomplished despite everybody incl gurus and Nokia said 'mission impossible' | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sunshavi: yep | 22:07 |
| sunshavi | nice, time to go out with the family | 22:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | but then I have absolutely no spare time and no interest in applying in any CC, and aiui same for fmg | 22:11 |
| Sicelo | would there even be a competition with FMG/Jonwil present? unfair advantange :) | 22:11 |
| jonwil | We need all the devs we can get | 22:12 |
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| jonwil | Neo900 software stack/FPTF is not going to be easy | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | if there's a way to support those efforts in a CC, we'd love to | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | if it's a matter of category, we'll find a way | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | maybe there should be categories | 22:14 |
| KotCzarny | RE, apps, scripts | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm a mentor to fptf, at best. Actually I'm irrelevant. So ask the ones who are involved please | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | KotCzarny, again, we'd love to have a Neo category, just not sure how that could be any different from N900... | 22:15 |
| Win7Mac | and there is the idea of category "Free it" (backport, replace or supersede closed packages) | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | neo will profit from anything freed in n900 | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are only 3 competitors in that: fmg, pali, jonwil | 22:16 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:17 |
| jonwil | Not even sure what package I would pick to do for such a contest | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, all of them | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 22:18 |
| jonwil | all the stuff worth cloning has largely been done (or is too hard to do) | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | well, if they need a device and that'll help achieving what's needed that'd be a good reason to support one of you 3 | 22:18 |
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| Sicelo | jonwil needs it | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | if not, that'd indeed be quite pointless | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | jonwil needs what? | 22:20 |
| Sicelo | device | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | which? | 22:20 |
| jonwil | My current N900 is having USB problems that I hope to resolve soon | 22:20 |
| jonwil | I have a lead on someone who can hopefully do the USB repair | 22:21 |
| Sicelo | Win7Mac: what other devices are available? | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, if it succeeds i bet you can easily get another n900 with broken port and repair | 22:21 |
| jonwil | if I can get my current N900 working, I wont need another N900 | 22:21 |
| jonwil | My current one would be fine | 22:21 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, having devel unit is handy | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | Sicelo, nothing yet, we need a fundraiser for that | 22:22 |
| jonwil | If this repair doesn't work then I need to look at what the next step is | 22:22 |
| jonwil | but yeah in any case I have no idea what to clone next | 22:23 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, package to australia is ~20usd | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | jonwil, so yes, you need + deserve a device... | 22:23 |
| jonwil | If anyone wants to suggest anything to clone, feel free | 22:23 |
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| KotCzarny | jonwil, there is a page for that? | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: )next step) ... is contacting me in a query, around or after xmas | 22:24 |
| jonwil | there are too many packages left, its hard to know what is worth cloning or not | 22:24 |
| KotCzarny | calendar maybe | 22:25 |
| jonwil | anyhow, tomorrow I will know if my current N900 is fixable or not | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | quite a few people look for a way to synch it | 22:26 |
| jonwil | There are already efforts to replace calendar | 22:26 |
| jonwil | plus I have no interest in it myself (dont use it) | 22:26 |
| Sicelo | qalendar is almost 100% clone+upgrade of stock calendar | 22:27 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, can it synch with popular *davs ? | 22:27 |
| Sicelo | no. works basically exactly the same as stock. so simplest synch is activesync | 22:28 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: i'd say sync is not really a calendar 'problem' ... as one will also want/need to sync contacts, etc. there are specific sync solutions | 22:30 |
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| Sicelo | i would like my N900 to 'get' Internet from my old phone via bluetooth. if you know a working/simple guide to achieve this, pleas share. | 22:36 |
| Sicelo | meantime i'm researching on tmo, although most of the threads are more on N900 supplying internet connection | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | hmm, i would look for generic bluez instructions | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | PAN etc | 22:37 |
| KotCzarny | does n900 have such modules? | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | iirc, yes | 22:38 |
| KotCzarny | then it should be doable | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi freemangordon | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | though it is not PAN, but NAP(?) | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | or something similar | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: hi | 22:39 |
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| Sicelo | KotCzarny: according to the posts/google, there should be a bluetooth dun "client" application somewhere. but can't find it. prolly disappeared out of repos in some mysterious way | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | it couldnt disappear | 22:44 |
| KotCzarny | unless the whole repo went away | 22:45 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#PAN | 22:46 |
| KotCzarny | and https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN sepcifically | 22:48 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: found it ... seems it was never in official repos, but in matan's private repo (which is still available) | 22:50 |
| Sicelo | http://my.svgalib.org/~matan/repo/binary | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | doc mirrored matan's repo | 22:50 |
| KotCzarny | afair | 22:50 |
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| Petros | hello everyone! | 23:37 |
| Petros | i am a computer science student and i just got my n900 | 23:38 |
| Petros | i want to learn how to port stuff like linux distributions to this device | 23:39 |
| Petros | how should i get started? | 23:39 |
| Petros | 23:39 | |
| Wizzup | stick around, can answer later | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | reflash, get muarf repos, get CSSU | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and congrats | 23:43 |
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| Petros | ill try to stick around :P | 23:52 |
| Petros | if my battery runs dry ill be back in a few days ;) | 23:53 |
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