| DocScrutinizer05 | and so on, for CPU, PowerVR, DSP, Audio, Vibrator, USB, BT, younameit | 00:00 |
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| Sicelo | are any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location? | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have a set of thresholds for alarms for each subsystem, like "when CPU eats >1000mW for >5 seconds", and also have an alarm that triggers on measured consumption massively non-compliant with what the summed up total of all subsystems would suggest | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: see zzztop | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know how much is actually exposed anywhere in /sys or /proc or elsewhere | 00:04 |
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| Sicelo | i'll study the script | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually my idea for system monitor is of boader scope than only power consumption, though that's for sure the major focus and largest chunk of info it collects and supervises and displays | 00:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | broader even | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but zzztop and [h]top (or actually what they are based on) would also be info sources, so for example an alarm of JoergsSystemMonitor would also kick in when a process suddenly is using way more CPU time or RAM than it usually does | 00:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway such monitoring tool would be *the* answer of choice to any complaints about "N900 battery standby time too short" | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would literally list whatt's wrong, either some software that keeps CPU busy, or constant data traffic over cellular/GPRS, or WLAN in constamt scan mode, or backlight on all the time, or even "your battery capacity seems way lower that standard! battery old and worn?" | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lower thaN* standard | 00:33 |
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| jonwil | hi | 07:15 |
| jonwil | freemangordon: ping | 07:15 |
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| jonwil | ~seen freemangordon | 08:38 |
| infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 12h 59m 3s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'. | 08:38 |
| jonwil | ~seen merlin1991 | 08:38 |
| infobot | merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #neo900 #maemo-ssu, last said: 'speex will be done tomorrow ;)'. | 08:38 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:12 |
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| bencoh | jonwil: what's the current codelockui status? | 10:42 |
| jonwil | Waiting for freemangordon (or some other reverse engineering guy) to figure out the parts I cant clone myself | 10:43 |
| jonwil | I did however just fix an issue with connui-home-cellular that showed up as a result of my ISP switching from one mobile network to a different mobile network (and sending me a new SIM and porting my number and stuff) | 10:45 |
| jonwil | When I joined the new network I found the network name output of the connui-home-cellular clone was different to stock | 10:45 |
| jonwil | A big of debugging and I found the problem and fixed it and now get the right output :) | 10:46 |
| jonwil | now to figure out how to set the correct IAP stuff | 10:46 |
| jonwil | ok, I have a cellular data connection now :) | 10:48 |
| jonwil | its all good :) | 10:48 |
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| Sicelo | so my n900 is unresponsive, although working just fine. the screen is dimmed (same as when a confirmation dialog is displayed). can't interact with it except via power button. i can therefore end tasks, or start the phone. however desktop remains dim so that's not much help. pity i disabled autoconnect to wifi .. i could ssh to it and restart h-d | 11:22 |
| bencoh | usbnet? | 11:23 |
| Sicelo | not at my place right now :( | 11:27 |
| Sicelo | here i'm on work computer, basic user permissions. | 11:27 |
| bencoh | ah .... shutdown/reboot | 11:27 |
| Sicelo | wonder if usbnet would work actually, haha .. becuase the dialog migh not appear. let me check | 11:28 |
| Defiant | Sicelo: attack ths virus scanner, that is supposed to be the most vulnerable part of your PC | 11:28 |
| Sicelo | at least the usb dialog does appear and is clickable | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | n900 screen is transflective | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | bencoh: i don't want reboot :p | 11:29 |
| Defiant | or use virtual box portable with a linux | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | happy about my 7 days uptime | 11:29 |
| KotCzarny | so get a good light and you will see the contents | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | Defiant: ?? | 11:29 |
| Sicelo | KotCzarny: dimmed .. not about seeing .. but interacting. i can't interact with it | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | can you start any app somehow? | 11:30 |
| Sicelo | usually flicking the screen lock key should 'fix' dimmed problems. but not this time | 11:31 |
| Sicelo | i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though | 11:31 |
| Sicelo | basically the ones that have keyboard shortcuts | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | add to your todo to add xterm shortcut | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 11:32 |
| Sicelo | ? | 11:32 |
| Sicelo | you don't get it :) | 11:32 |
| Sicelo | at all | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | well, if you had xterm runnable via keyboard shortcut, you can type things there | 11:32 |
| Sicelo | NO | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | no? | 11:33 |
| Sicelo | the is no interaction with anything | 11:33 |
| Sicelo | only bencoh understands what i'm saying :) | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | but you've said you can run apps via kb | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | so kb works | 11:33 |
| Sicelo | 11:31 < Sicelo> i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, didnt see xterminal | 11:34 |
| Sicelo | xterminal is a stock shortcut (shift+ctrl+x) | 11:34 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 11:35 |
| KotCzarny | bt/usb kb? | 11:35 |
| Sicelo | my bluetooth is off :p | 11:35 |
| Sicelo | only way is to somehow login to the bugger via ssh | 11:36 |
| KotCzarny | but you dont have network | 11:36 |
| Sicelo | will see .. maybe i'll quickly pss by my place next 30 minutes. hope usbnet will work. haven't used it in ages. hope i didn't mess something up with that iface | 11:38 |
| bencoh | mine doesnt start on boot | 11:39 |
| bencoh | I dunno why | 11:39 |
| bencoh | so I need to plug it in and ifup | 11:40 |
| Sicelo | doam. you need to ifup :( | 11:40 |
| Sicelo | which i won't be able to do. nice. reboot incomingp i guess | 11:40 |
| KotCzarny | lock/unlock few times? | 11:41 |
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| Sicelo | it has not helped unfortunately | 11:43 |
| jonwil | does rebooting not fix the problem? | 11:43 |
| KotCzarny | he wants to try anything before reboot | 11:43 |
| jonwil | why not reboot, its not exactly hard to reboot a N900 :) | 11:44 |
| Sicelo | just for fun | 11:44 |
| KotCzarny | funnily how you can start xterminal via kb, it shows, and it doesnt allow you to type anything in it | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | start it then task switch maybe? | 11:45 |
| jonwil | I wouldn't call it "fun" to fiddle with all sorts of crap that isn't helping when a reboot should fix it | 11:45 |
| KotCzarny | jonwil, that's called debugging | 11:45 |
| bencoh | looks a focus issue | 11:49 |
| bencoh | like* | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ts working? | 11:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does "kill current task" show up in power menu? | 11:50 |
| Sicelo | yes it works | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tried kb shortcut to cycle between tasks? | 11:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ctrl-.backspace | 11:50 |
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| Sicelo | yeah. no dice. i'm going to have to rebbot, clearly. | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tried <enter>? | 11:51 |
| jonwil | Now that I am on a new network, I need to go and see if all the places where my phone wouldn't get signal on the old network do or don't get it on the new network :) | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to me it spounds like a notifier/requester that failed to display any conetnt | 11:52 |
| KotCzarny | kill'em all | 11:53 |
| jonwil | looks like I might take a train trip tomorrow :P (riding on the train is one of the ways to be guaranteed to loose signal on the old network :) | 11:53 |
| jonwil | I do so love the N900 though, its works great on Vodafone just as good as it did on Optus :) | 11:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: do you have a custom lockscreen? | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could try to unlock the lockscreen even when it's not visible, by sliding over the touchscreen | 11:59 |
| Sicelo | no. stock | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idea that lockscreen is active but not visible (maybe hidden or minimized or behind the desktop layer) sounds even more plausible than a normal requester or notifier causing this | 12:01 |
| Sicelo | i have smscon, but looks like i never set the sms commands properly. don't seem to be working | 12:01 |
| Sicelo | smscon itself works just fine for no sim or sim change | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try sliding to unlock | 12:01 |
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| Sicelo | same. slide works. but no interaction in desktop | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | remember to add shortcut to enable wifi autoconnect and/or usbnet | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I meant sliding on touchscreen like you would to unlock the lockscreen by moving the ball from lft to right | 12:08 |
| Sicelo | yes DocScrutinizer05. i can lock it just fine, and unlock with slider | 12:11 |
| Sicelo | thanks for suggestions everyone. gotta just reboot. we tried. | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, so the lockscreen works and you can unlock it. So I guess it's not an invisible lockscreen then that's your problem | 12:16 |
| Sicelo | where is the FBI with their backdoors when we need them? :p | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 12:17 |
| KotCzarny | you should've gotten android for that | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NSA? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the FBI looks like a boy scout club compared to NSA | 12:18 |
| Sicelo | btw, i still suspect one of hildon-desktop, *-home to have some bug. | 12:18 |
| Sicelo | NSA maybe :) | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yes | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo, but why is it happening to you? | 12:18 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you have hw sync enabled? | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check your desktop widgets or whatever the name | 12:19 |
| Sicelo | removed them all some weeks ago | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wow | 12:19 |
| Sicelo | no widgets at all anymore | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc then | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check smscon, maybe it has some hiccup | 12:21 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder why talk.maemo.org gets first place in google, but no sign of wiki.maemo.org | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and make damn sure you got WLAN and/or USB network *and* sshd enabled, for the next time ;-) | 12:22 |
| Sicelo | they generally are, lol | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one more thing you could try: open and close camera door | 12:22 |
| Sicelo | Murphy's law at work here | 12:23 |
| KotCzarny | unrelated but nice: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures | 12:23 |
| Sicelo | fun times. DocScrutinizer05, camera door causes complete blackness. but i can take a pic, and can hear the application close afterwards when i close the shutter | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this gives some hint towards considering whether maybe the graphics libs are borked | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are several daemons for fb and camera and dunno what | 12:27 |
| Sicelo | i don't think so tbh. if i had been able to ssh to it, i'd have tried to restart h-d, and (of course my 2 cents) i think it would come back to normal life | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be compositor that doesn't work according to parameters | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, a pity we can't test | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I gather "end current task" in power menu only shows when a real app is running and focused, not when hd is active | 12:29 |
| Sicelo | yes. | 12:29 |
| Sicelo | if i launch phone, then end current task is useable | 12:29 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: when you eventually get it to working state, check /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini to see if you have hw sync or not | 12:29 |
| Sicelo | ok. will do | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, what happens when you press ctrl-backspace with phone opened | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | nothing that i can see | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | ah .. wait | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 12:30 |
| Vajb | i recall having this issue once | 12:30 |
| Sicelo | yes, nothing. | 12:31 |
| Vajb | it had some program popping up menu, but that menu never appeared | 12:31 |
| KotCzarny | kill'em all! | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah well, you don't have the "alt-tab" function in hd enabled, right? | 12:31 |
| Vajb | but i can't recall name of that program even if my life depended on it | 12:31 |
| Sicelo | you mean rotate tasks through ctrl+bksp? i have that enabled | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I've seen that too, and switching tasks via ctrl-bs allowed me to fix it | 12:32 |
| KotCzarny | but yeah, all the behaviors suggest invisible popup menu | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: aah hmm | 12:32 |
| Vajb | i think i sshd to device and killed stuck program | 12:33 |
| KotCzarny | because usb popup was clickable | 12:33 |
| * Vajb thinks we miss "show desktop" button from power menu | 12:34 | |
| KotCzarny | or 'restartd h-d' button :P | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: one thing you could test: give N900 a inbound call you don't answer, so the "missed call" things kick in | 12:34 |
| Vajb | hmm start phone utility and try ctrl-backspace then | 12:35 |
| Sicelo | i have missed call (btw, i can still answer calls very nicely) :D | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Vajb: yes, exactly | 12:36 |
| Sicelo | doesn't help in this particular case that ctrl+bksp | 12:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: when phone gui is active, ctrl-bs should show one window shrinked to tumbnail | 12:36 |
| Vajb | im curious how u got in to that state? | 12:37 |
| Vajb | maybe ur device is swapping like madman and is unresponsive cos of workload | 12:38 |
| Vajb | ur using gazillion percent of cpu power | 12:38 |
| Vajb | or* | 12:38 |
| Sicelo | not at all :) | 12:38 |
| Sicelo | it's very much alive, and at rest. | 12:39 |
| Vajb | ah then | 12:39 |
| Vajb | don't bother him. Is a sleep | 12:39 |
| Sicelo | it's been like this for 2 hours now, and no warm battery, etc. | 12:39 |
| Vajb | :) | 12:39 |
| Sicelo | i can even see the usage bars on status menu. cpu side on grey | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird stuff | 12:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe just reboot | 12:40 |
| Vajb | definitely some menu | 12:40 |
| Sicelo | as for how i got to this .. i don't remember. i was just using it normally | 12:41 |
| Vajb | hah classic case of "it was like that when i got here" | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | add a shortcut in powermenu to kill h-d | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:42 |
| Vajb | does xterm show up? | 12:42 |
| KotCzarny | yes, but he cant type in it | 12:43 |
| KotCzarny | as in 'focus stolen' | 12:43 |
| Vajb | err it does, but i meant to type for example top and hit enter | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: did you extensive looking around and maybe even cat * in /sys and/or /proc ? | 12:43 |
| Sicelo | can't do that :) | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | before! | 12:43 |
| Sicelo | nop | 12:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ""Siceloare any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location?"" | 12:44 |
| Sicelo | that was over 12 hours ago, and i didn't even do anything. i slept, hence the complete silence after saying i'll study zzztop script | 12:45 |
| Sicelo | ok. enough with this. usbnet didn't come up. rebooting. | 12:47 |
| Sicelo | i'll fix up smscon so that it can be a viable backdoor in future | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:47 |
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| KotCzarny | tty via sms? | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | expensive ;) | 12:48 |
| KotCzarny | unless one has free sms plan | 12:48 |
| Sicelo | no. you send just one predetermined command, and the N900 will run it. or you could even cause it to setup reverse ssh connection | 12:49 |
| KotCzarny | i know, just kidding about possible use sms as a tty terminal | 12:49 |
| Sicelo | with `ls` .. how do i order files by date again? | 12:50 |
| Maxdamantus | -t | 12:50 |
| Sicelo | thanks | 12:50 |
| jonwil | Bah, no sign of either of the people I need to talk to :( | 12:56 |
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| Sicelo | btw, one of the reasons i disabled automatic wlan is because at work, we have WPA-Enterprise, which N900 doesn't connect to automatically. maybe jonwil's work could help in that regard? | 15:41 |
| Sicelo | my home wifi is also wpa-enterprise | 15:41 |
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| drathir | si not used that one before, but maybe share which kind of error show? | 16:24 |
| Sicelo | whawho? | 16:30 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Why would WPA Enterprise not connect automatically on N900? Is there no way to save the RADIUS info? | 19:04 |
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| ecc3g | nice... disabling autoswitch to wifi and stay on 3G only saves quite a bit of power. I guess I'm forced to take advantage of unlimited data on t-mobile... | 19:11 |
| Wizzup | interesting that 3g costs less power for you than wifi | 19:11 |
| ecc3g | well having both on at the same time eats power | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | more wakeup triggers? | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | 10 beacons/s usually | 19:12 |
| ecc3g | then again I'd thought it should use one or the other... and not keep both on at the same time | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | and that only assuming nothing else on the channel | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | transmitting via cell modem might be more costly tho | 19:13 |
| ecc3g | that might be why... though I thought I changed my beacons on my wifi to 1/sec or 2/sec... | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | oh yeah, I always have wifi autoconnect off | 19:13 |
| Wizzup | mostly due to privacy issues | 19:13 |
| ecc3g | ah. | 19:14 |
| ecc3g | I autoconnect to my home wifi before, for privacy issues :D | 19:14 |
| ecc3g | having it auto switchover to wifi and 3g on all the time = I get at most 2 days idle | 19:16 |
| ecc3g | it's about flat at the 2 day mark. | 19:17 |
| ecc3g | telling it not to use wifi if available... i think it will hit 3 days, maybe more...at least the battery meter says there's still quite a bit of charge left nearing the 2 day mark... | 19:17 |
| KotCzarny | ecc3g: install battery-eye, its not eating battery like multiple others and has nice graphs/stats | 19:18 |
| ecc3g | yeah that's what i'm using | 19:18 |
| KotCzarny | also, you can even guess if battery drain is on, just by looking at the slope | 19:18 |
| ecc3g | exactly... | 19:19 |
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| ecc3g | i guess it will now have to go through t-mobile to check mail on my home server... long way home. | 19:21 |
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| Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: because Nokia felt that it is not good idea. their pov was that 'some' enterprise networks may need extra input before granting access. of course a moot point, but that's how it is. a bug was opened against this behavior, and nokia replied with a fat WONTFIX :) | 19:25 |
| Sicelo | the radius info is saved just fine | 19:25 |
| ecc3g | I'm kind of glad it doesn't automatically connect to enterprise wpa2... it'd eat more power :D | 19:26 |
| Sicelo | and why would that be? | 19:27 |
| ecc3g | ^^^ | 19:27 |
| Sicelo | ? | 19:27 |
| ecc3g | scroll up, same issue as my home wifi :p | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | you could disable it if *you* don't need it. not fsck up device for everyone. | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | i fail to see how your issue above relates to wpa-enterpise | 19:29 |
| ecc3g | it was meant as a joke if you didn't get it... | 19:29 |
| Sicelo | well i wasn't joking. | 19:29 |
| ecc3g | it really doesn't matter if it's wpa or wpa-enterprise, it still switched. | 19:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | Sicelo: I have never connected to Enterprise with N900. So do you get a prompt to connect or do you have to open change connection menu? | 19:56 |
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| Sicelo009N | n900 simply doesn't attempt to connect automatically. you have to make the connection yourself | 20:07 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | that is odd behaviour | 21:22 |
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| Sicelo | sixwheeledbeast: bug 3399 | 21:33 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3399 Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise | 21:33 |
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| Sicelo | comment 4 particularly funny :D | 21:37 |
| Sicelo | anyway, poor guy was just a messenger | 21:42 |
| * Sicelo loving the quips | 21:44 | |
| Sicelo | https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show | 21:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wow, pre-Fremantle bug | 21:44 |
| sixwheeledbeast | with 60 votes and was a WONTFIX | 21:44 |
| Sicelo | the logic of the decision was completely flawed | 21:46 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, have you tried hack from comment 29? | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | no. he said it's ugly himself :D | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | there is a script on that page too (in the comments) | 21:58 |
| KotCzarny | so at least you can try making one yourself | 21:59 |
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| KotCzarny | and someone wrote qt alternative in comment 49 | 22:01 |
| kerio | Pali: did you read http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd ? | 22:15 |
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| merlin1991 | jonwil: pong | 22:33 |
| jonwil | Would it be possible to get access to push things to cssu-devel? | 22:34 |
| jonwil | I believe you mentioned something about it before | 22:34 |
| merlin1991 | sure, hit me up with an ssh pub key | 22:34 |
| KotCzarny | kerio: that page is beautiful | 22:39 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if debian/fedora devs got paid/moled ? | 22:39 |
| jonwil | ~seen freemangordon | 22:39 |
| infobot | freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 58s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'. | 22:40 |
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