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SiceloOksana: portrait can have it's own completely dfferent background00:05
OksanaHmm... Nice to know00:08
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sixwheeledbeast^I have a carbon fiber effect that doesn't matter if landscape or portrait etc.00:28
OksanaI would have liked to have photos which connect seamlessly in both directions, but it's nearly impossible.00:29
OksanaAs it is, my eye was caught by https://www.flickr.com/photos/pinksherbet/4853010035 . Would be funny as portrait-oriented wallpapers, even if blurred-grass does not connect seamlessly with not-blurred grass...00:30
OksanaThis one has potential as well, but alas, also only as portrait-oriented. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Salade_de_fraises.jpg00:34
klopsi-u3hm00:35
OksanaSicelo: so how to do it? I imagine that theme_bg.desktop should be edited?00:39
OksanaOr is it like two separate wallpapers (not landscape+portrait in one wallpaper, but landscape.desktop and portrait.desktop separately) ?00:43
klopsi-u3dunno00:45
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OksanaFiles missing! Why weren't they attached to the post directly? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75399 /interested in desktop file, mainly/00:54
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OksanaExperimentation says that one theme can have only one desktop file, aka named theme_bg.desktop. So both landscape and portrait need to be put into one desktop file, somehow...01:05
klopsi-u3i only have landscape mode and default themes01:05
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sixwheeledbeast^I have know idea, I wouldn't even no if that is documented somewhere.01:15
sixwheeledbeast^I recall clock and HAM backgrounds having an xyz_portrait.png file somewhere, but I don't think it's related to wallpapers.01:17
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OksanaAlso, lockslider-portrait.png ;-)01:26
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* Oksana does not know how to open a file in TuxPaint. I mean, drawing is nice and jolly, but where in magic is the "open a png" button?04:10
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Anaskofind with understanding of -printf : which package? I got cp with understanding of --remove-destination from coreutils-gnu (and yes, I had to modify $PATH to be able to see it)04:22
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AnaskoOkay, findutils-gnu it is...06:06
DocScrutinizer05~tell Anasko about jrtools06:38
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ceeneOksana: what you want to do (to get notes from sound) is an spectogram10:24
ceenehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrogram10:25
ceeneit's easy to do with matlab, probably octave10:25
ceenefor anything different than a solo instrument it'll probably be very complicated and you'll need help from a musician10:25
KotCzarnymusician wouldnt need spectrogram anyway10:26
KotCzarny:)10:26
ceenehttp://www.drawmusic.com/Transcribing-Music/002-Seeing-Features/10:27
ceenethat's a cool article too10:27
ceeneKotCzarny: probably not, but i guess and spectogram will always be of help10:27
KotCzarnyone doesnt have to be a musician to decode fft10:41
KotCzarnyrecord instrument playing different notes then compare peaks10:41
KotCzarnythen write them and select which one belong to tune and which are just arrangement10:41
APicceene: Very cool, yeah10:42
* APic bookmarks10:42
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SiceloOksana: re - portrait wallpapers .. just put device in portrait and change your wallpaper. alternatively, use gconf, but number workspaces from 1010:53
Sicelo/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/1010:53
Siceloenable this feature first via 'gconftool-2 -s /apps/hildon-desktop/portrait_wallpaper -t bool true'10:56
Siceloit's documented in https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable#hildon-desktop10:57
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DocScrutinizer05ceene: I think there are several programs that already do this (spectrum analysis, correlate and suppress harmonics, then transcode base frequencies to notes11:26
DocScrutinizer05and I think those programs can handle polyphonic music, when they are smart they even can distinguish instruments and separate their notes, by analyzing the harmonics11:28
DocScrutinizer05there's one program that even allows correction of a single wrong key on piano in an orchester11:29
DocScrutinizer05or alternatively transpose a complete single instrument in a mixed audio signal11:29
DocScrutinizer05of course it's a tiny bit on the expensive side, and probably too sophisticated for simple note transscription11:30
DocScrutinizer05but it definitely can get done to filter out a particular instrument with each single not it plays, from a complex music audio11:31
DocScrutinizer05s/not it/note it/11:31
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: but it definitely can get done to filter out a particular instrument with each single note it plays, from a complex music audio11:31
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DocScrutinizer05http://scorecloud.com/11:40
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DocScrutinizer05manual transcription helper: http://www.seventhstring.com/xscribe11:45
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DocScrutinizer05>>The software employs the most intelligent technology available today to convert up to 16 instruments or notes at a time into multiple staves, with up to four voices per staff.<< http://www.sibelius.com/products/audioscore/ultimate.html11:47
DocScrutinizer05Oksana: http://connect.avid.com/AudioScoreUltimate-Demo.html11:51
klopsi-u3ty DocScrutinizer0511:53
klopsi-u3amazing stuff11:56
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DocScrutinizer05((correction of a single wrong key on piano; transpose a complete single instrument)) this is a program that's meant for audio postprocessing in studios and doesn't necessarily handle written notes, it's an extremely smart audio editor, and I for the life of mine can't recall the name11:58
DocScrutinizer05just the price which iirc was in the 4 to 5 digits ballpark11:58
Sicelothat makes it 6-7 digits for me12:02
DocScrutinizer05yet another one: http://www.intelliscore.net/faq.html#Q212:07
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DocScrutinizer05hmm, the editor I meant is *probably* Celemony's "Melodyne editor"12:38
DocScrutinizer05"Direct Note Access"12:39
DocScrutinizer05cheaper than I thought12:43
DocScrutinizer05https://youtu.be/jFCjv4_jqAY?t=11112:45
DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiW6XVFeFgo13:01
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DocScrutinizer05that's really amazing stuff13:16
klopsi-u3science, jo!13:16
DocScrutinizer05http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Sensation-auf-der-Musikmesse-Wave-Daten-wie-MIDI-veraendern-Update-189909.html13:18
DocScrutinizer05didn't look into it since back when in 2008/913:18
klopsi-u3black magic!13:20
klopsi-u3it is the future!13:21
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DocScrutinizer05DUH!  http://www.celemony.com/de/trial13:27
klopsi-u3hy duh?13:28
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DocScrutinizer05why? because it sounds like 30 days of extreme fun :-D13:53
klopsi-u3duh! usually means you saw or did something stupid13:56
klopsi-u3but thanks for the link13:56
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if that thing would work (and how long) in a windows VM of which you do a paused snapshot with the melodyne started, which you use to start up the VM later13:59
KotCzarnyif you want to cheat you can simply find a crack14:05
KotCzarnyits your morals14:05
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ceeneeasier than that, you can just change datetime15:25
KotCzarnyceene, its not about subverting the protection, but your morals15:32
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keriochange your morals' datetime15:42
keriojust don't go too far in the past or slavery becomes ok15:42
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KotCzarnywhat about the future?15:48
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zGrrmoin :)16:19
klopsi-u3allo zGrr16:20
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zGrrehlo klopsi-u316:21
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totalizator(15:47) < JollaHQ> [9b] Limited time #SLUSH15 SPECIAL offer: #Jolla smartphone powered with #SailfishOS 2.0 for €169.00 from our online shop https://t.co/kKO93iLWC417:07
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totalizatorBTW this is what my N900 did the day I bought a new phone :3 http://imgur.com/v6EzmYD17:21
keriohe was angry17:21
kerioyou betrayed him17:21
kerioSHAME17:21
totalizatorit definitely has soul, yup17:22
klopsi-u3hehe17:22
totalizatorit was just a glitch and reboot solved the problem, but still17:22
klopsi-u3n900 does all i want except speedy webbrowsing17:23
totalizatoraye, the biggest flaw17:23
totalizatornot even close to the Android 2.x browsers - I had my fingers crossed for a browser port like this but it never came17:24
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totalizatorand it was too much to bare for a daily usage17:25
KotCzarnytotalizator: selling that n900?17:28
totalizatorfor the n-th time: NEVAH! :317:29
KotCzarny:)17:29
totalizatorKotCzarny: plus small reminder : still waiting for a proper source of oscp to be included in Arch AUR etc. - plzzzzz17:31
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KotCzarnyon a positive note i've started tidying up build system, so its a step in that direction17:35
totalizatoryay17:37
totalizatortake your time but definitely release it someday17:38
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KotCzarnyon the negative side, user feedback is 017:45
totalizatorno widely available = no feedback, sry - sad but true17:52
totalizatorusually people are installing multimedia apps and they expect to get a final product17:53
totalizatorit works - cool, if not - delete, move on17:53
KotCzarnywell, its quite complete as it is, still, when developing user feedback is useful17:55
totalizatorbut you are limited to Maemo "fan base" - so rly, you expect a feedback from ...the dead?17:56
KotCzarnyyup17:57
totalizatorthink like: 1 of 100 users will give you feedback17:57
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sachI sold my N900 a year ago. How are things holding up?18:00
KotCzarnywell, i've thought n900 community is better than others18:00
KotCzarnysach, good, how about you?18:00
sachPretty good!18:00
totalizatorOT: can I connect usb hub and charge N900 in the same time?18:03
KotCzarnyprobably18:04
KotCzarnybut i dont know and i haven't tried18:11
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Sicelototalizator: yes, you can18:20
totalizatoroh?18:21
totalizatorwithout black magick wizardry?18:22
Sicelowhich usb host method you use? if using Pali's, it's automatic18:22
totalizatordunno, I've got this applet where I switch the usb mode18:24
Sicelothat's Pali's18:24
Siceloif you were using h-e-n, it still works, but iirc you would have to turn off vbus. it's been a while since i did it that way, so i might not exactly be correct18:25
totalizatorok, then what, is this enough to connect a powered usb hub then?18:28
Sicelolol. yes18:28
totalizatorhuh, can't be! :318:28
totalizatorthanks, I have to try18:29
Sicelothat N900 screen ... looks bad. why not put a screen protector on it?18:30
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totalizatorit escalated quickly :3 I meant the protective surface peeling18:58
totalizatorso I decided that there is no point18:58
KotCzarnythere is point19:00
totalizatorprotectirs are overrated19:01
KotCzarnyn900's screen gets peeled badly without the protector19:01
KotCzarnyalso, protector requires perfectly clean screen when applying19:01
totalizatorI don't mind scratches etc. as long as the screen in in one piece19:01
KotCzarnymine still looks like new19:03
KotCzarnyand for 6 years its my second protector19:03
totalizatorlooks like new but you can't touch it - my answer: no19:07
totalizatorI would buy tempered glass - yes19:08
totalizatoras the feel is same as without it19:09
totalizatorbut you need capacitive screen for it19:10
totalizatoralso, it's more like creack protection19:11
totalizatorBTW N900 digitizer is like $3 :D19:11
totalizatorbrand new19:11
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KotCzarnytotalizator, sure, but where did you get the idea that i cant touch it?19:32
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KotCzarnyonce protector is applied you use it the same way as original19:33
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totalizatorthe feel and responsiveness is never the same19:33
totalizatorI'm telling my preferences, nothing more19:34
KotCzarnysame here19:34
KotCzarnyi havent noticed screen being different in touch or responsiveness19:34
totalizatoralso the scratches on the protector are way more visible which can be annoying19:36
totalizatorthere is slight chance that I have factory protector on my N800 :319:37
KotCzarny:)19:37
KotCzarnywhat scratches?19:37
totalizatorwhen the screen is being turned off you can see every swipe the device had all it's life19:37
KotCzarnythere are few kinds of protectors19:37
KotCzarnyhard ones, soft ones19:37
totalizatorIknowIknow19:38
totalizatorand have you seen the tempered glass for mobiles?19:38
KotCzarnywell, htc hero had one by default :P19:39
KotCzarnydidnt know one can get it for n90019:39
totalizatorglass? you can't imo19:39
totalizatorbut it's supacool - no bubbles when applying19:39
KotCzarny:)19:40
totalizatorand you can remove it and apply again19:40
KotCzarnyi got ~8 protectors with n800 when i bought it19:40
KotCzarnyone of it i've applied to n90019:40
KotCzarnythey are cheap19:40
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klopsi-u3 good friends we've had, good friends we've lost - along the way22:18
OksanaaMorpher is funny, but its gui currently requires stylus. And I don't see yet any morphing: I have loaded left and right images, what button to press next?22:28
klopsi-u3 hi Oksanaa22:30
klopsi-u3 i don't know morpher, this is supposed to morph one image to another?22:30
Oksanaahello klopsi-u322:30
Oksanaaprobably, not sure. It mentions creating an animation, too...22:31
klopsi-u3right, obviously it would create an animation22:31
klopsi-u3maybe a gif or a mpeg22:31
klopsi-u3have you tried MyPaint on N900?22:32
OksanaaYes :-) Long time ago...22:32
klopsi-u3it is amazing what some people can do with it, did you see the pictures in the forum?22:32
OksanaaYes :-) Wish more people took part in LookwhatIdrawonmyphone thread...22:33
OksanaaCurrent photograph challenge of the month is "Photographer"22:34
klopsi-u3ah22:37
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Oksanaaspontaneous shutdown of phone... Wish I knew the reason22:49
klopsi-u3:/22:49
klopsi-u3running cssu22:49
klopsi-u3?22:49
OksanaaYes, CSSU-Testing-Thumb...22:50
klopsi-u3i heard that was instable Oksanaa , but i don't know anything about it23:07
Sicelono, it's not23:08
SiceloOksanaa: have syslog? might show you what happened just before shutdown23:09
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