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| KotCzarny | ~sailfish | 00:11 |
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| KotCzarny | ~ping | 00:11 |
| infobot | 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys n9 | 00:11 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'n9' by key (20 of 26): arch-n900 ;; n950 ;; on n900 #DEL# ;; win98se ;; n900 #DEL# ;; plan9 ;; meego-n900 ;; ext2fs for win95 ;; n950-firmware ;; n950-firmawer #DEL# ;; n900-power ;; win98 ;; n950order ;; win95 ;; optimizen900 ;; igerman98 ;; n900ponie ;; n900pinkponies ;; fusion94 ;; firmware-n950. | 00:11 |
| KotCzarny | O.o | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~n900ponie | 00:12 |
| infobot | Q: Why no $pink-pony-CPU/display/case? Why those old parts/design? A: see http://neo900.org/faq#cpu http://neo900.org/faq#screen http://neo900.org/faq#touch and specially for you http://neo900.org/#ponies | 00:12 |
| KotCzarny | wow | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | ponies overload | 00:13 |
| KotCzarny | ~listkeys sailfish | 00:15 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'sailfish' by key returned no results. | 00:15 |
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| ceene | The Aqua Fish smartphone is a smartphone produced by Intex Technologies that runs the Sailfish OS 2.0, planned to be released in September 2015 | 00:40 |
| ceene | has that thing be released yet? | 00:40 |
| princefakhan | no | 00:42 |
| ceene | Update, September 8th, launch schedule moved to earlier: | 00:43 |
| ceene | Intex Aqua Fish launched on October 2015 | 00:43 |
| princefakhan | strange. I was looking for it today and I couldn't even find proper specs | 00:44 |
| ceene | i don't think there's anything official at all | 00:44 |
| princefakhan | what do you mean? | 00:45 |
| ceene | https://together.jolla.com/question/98883/intex-jolla/ | 00:45 |
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| KotCzarny | meanwhile at mozilla hq: http://i.imgur.com/vX8lozU.gif | 08:25 |
| princefakhan | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm | 08:25 |
| princefakhan | this video is lagging on my browser | 08:25 |
| princefakhan | even tho it downloaded overnight. | 08:26 |
| princefakhan | :( | 08:26 |
| KotCzarny | does it lag in mplayer too? | 08:47 |
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| princefakhan | didnt try any other method | 08:56 |
| princefakhan | the connection is slow at the moment | 08:56 |
| princefakhan | I forgot. I am on chrome on windows KotCzarny | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | you can paste direct link to mplayer | 08:58 |
| KotCzarny | it will play network links too | 08:58 |
| princefakhan | I will. Once the bandwidht usage drops. | 08:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | princefakhan: please download and play back in e.g. VLC or whatever decent mediaplayer of your choice | 10:55 |
| princefakhan | :) | 10:55 |
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| Maxdamantus | New SD card. | 12:30 |
| KotCzarny | do it movie style, let it explode on insert | 12:30 |
| Maxdamantus | also, with my SD–backcover hack, you can swap them by sleeping in the middle. | 12:30 |
| Maxdamantus | comes with an exfat partition. | 12:35 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders why it starts 16 MiB in. | 12:38 | |
| KotCzarny | erase block? | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | (hehe) | 12:38 |
| KotCzarny | also, sdcard.org formatter says sd cards have 'protected area for security functions' | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | whatever that is | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/\ | 12:47 |
| KotCzarny | https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/ | 12:47 |
| Maxdamantus | That page seems like a load of bullshitp | 12:52 |
| Maxdamantus | it talks about an "SDXC driver", which is really just an exFAT driver. | 12:52 |
| Maxdamantus | There's no such thing as SDXC. The standard just allowed slightly larger drives to exist. | 12:53 |
| Maxdamantus | unless you consider the special new filesystem (exFAT) to be part of the SD card. | 12:54 |
| KotCzarny | have you ever considered updating wikipedia with that info? | 12:54 |
| Maxdamantus | No. Non-primary sources about this sort of thing are probably difficult to find. | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | SDXC adopts Microsoft's exFAT file system as a mandatory feature | 12:55 |
| Maxdamantus | That's obviously not the case, since I have an "SDXC" card that works with ext4. | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#SDXC | 12:55 |
| KotCzarny | it may be wording and marketing, but older devices can have troubles with sdhc/sdxc cards | 12:56 |
| Maxdamantus | That's only a software issue. | 12:56 |
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| Maxdamantus | All SD cards speak the SD protocol, which any SD driver can understand. | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | still, issue that comes from keeping tight to the specifications | 12:57 |
| Maxdamantus | If you're running Linux, the thing that sits on top of the SD protocol, creating a block device, etc, will work with practically any size card. | 12:57 |
| KotCzarny | nope, i think older kernels required updating too | 12:58 |
| Maxdamantus | same with something like Rockbox. | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | it was long time ago tho | 12:58 |
| Maxdamantus | updating for what? | 12:58 |
| KotCzarny | for detecting correct size | 12:58 |
| Maxdamantus | I suspect that would've been long before the standard enabled larger sizes. | 12:59 |
| KotCzarny | http://forum.fs-net.de/index.php/Thread/3295-Update-old-kernel-with-SDHC-driver/ | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | 2012 | 13:00 |
| KotCzarny | not linux but quite recent | 13:00 |
| Maxdamantus | Windows is known for its bad hardware support. | 13:01 |
| Maxdamantus | Eh, I don't think that has to do with this. | 13:01 |
| KotCzarny | You can read/write large SDHC cards since Linux kernel version 2.6.22 | 13:02 |
| KotCzarny | could be related to controllers drivers | 13:03 |
| Maxdamantus | The controllers don't have much to do with SDHC. | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | dont they? | 13:04 |
| KotCzarny | kernel talks to hw, hw talks to card | 13:04 |
| Maxdamantus | No. They just move SD packets around. | 13:04 |
| Maxdamantus | It has to do with SDIO. | 13:05 |
| KotCzarny | afaik sdio was invented for anything else than flash memory | 13:05 |
| Maxdamantus | It sounds like that reference to Linux 2.6.22 is some project calling itself the "SHDCi project" | 13:06 |
| Maxdamantus | which happened to implement support for more controllers. | 13:06 |
| jon_y | some controllers also have variable card drive strength iirc | 13:06 |
| Maxdamantus | not necessarily to do with SDHC. | 13:06 |
| jon_y | maximum fun | 13:06 |
| * jon_y was backporting some linux-4.3 patches | 13:07 | |
| Maxdamantus | Pretty much the only case where you're going to have hardware issues with the size is if the hardware doesn't actually present itself as an SD controller. | 13:07 |
| Maxdamantus | (eg, if it presents itself as a USB mass storage device) | 13:07 |
| jon_y | aren't there controllers that present themselves as scsi or something? | 13:08 |
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| Maxdamantus | Possibly, but they would be in the same boat. | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#SDIO | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | yeah, its an extension | 13:08 |
| KotCzarny | you can read/write without sdio | 13:08 |
| Maxdamantus | I wouldn't really trust Wikipedia on this sort of thing, because it's hard to find decent acceptable sources for it. | 13:10 |
| Maxdamantus | eg, there are no citations in that entire section. | 13:10 |
| KotCzarny | isnt wikipedia requirement for sources before factoid edits get in? | 13:10 |
| jon_y | pssh no | 13:11 |
| jon_y | especially when nobody is looking | 13:11 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:11 |
| Maxdamantus | Wikipedia is often annoyingly difficult when it comes to some topics. | 13:11 |
| jon_y | but go on, lets help it along its demise | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | C and SD cards would be good examples. | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | plenty of secondary sources full of crap. | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | and primary sources aren't acceptable. | 13:12 |
| jon_y | the only source I trust for technical standards, are the technical standards | 13:12 |
| jon_y | like PCI-SIG docs for PCI | 13:12 |
| Maxdamantus | Yeah, and those are unacceptable to Wikipedia. | 13:13 |
| jon_y | they're not? | 13:13 |
| Maxdamantus | They're primary sources. | 13:13 |
| jon_y | wat | 13:13 |
| Maxdamantus | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_primary_and_secondary_sources#You_are_allowed_to_use_primary_sources..._carefully | 13:13 |
| jon_y | it would be odd to point out how the standard docs say something completely different than what the established 2nd source says | 13:14 |
| KotCzarny | it could be the case when tech docs are ignored by implementers | 13:16 |
| jon_y | could be the case | 13:16 |
| KotCzarny | or when bug compatibility is a must when implementing | 13:16 |
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| jon_y | see all the workaround quirks | 13:17 |
| jon_y | USB, PCI, MMC hosts | 13:17 |
| KotCzarny | still, tech docs for sd standard aren't free | 13:18 |
| jon_y | :( | 13:18 |
| Maxdamantus | There are partial standards that are somewhat free. | 13:19 |
| Maxdamantus | but yes, that's another thing that makes SD difficult -_- | 13:19 |
| Maxdamantus | partial standards as in: they release the standard with lots of sections removed. | 13:19 |
| KotCzarny | and that's why they recommend not using os formatter for 'security features' | 13:20 |
| KotCzarny | without saying what are they | 13:20 |
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| Maxdamantus | SD devices also have minimal networking functionality. | 13:22 |
| Maxdamantus | so you can supposedly chain them together in various topologies. | 13:22 |
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| KotCzarny | isnt that called daisychaining? | 13:22 |
| Maxdamantus | If you connect them in a daisychain, yes. | 13:23 |
| Maxdamantus | but that's only one topology. | 13:23 |
| Maxdamantus | That's probably the only one you can do without a hub. | 13:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | daisychaining on SD cards? duh! | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please elaborate | 18:26 |
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| KotCzarny | spi protocol supports it | 18:36 |
| KotCzarny | https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/e/3/b/d/1/50e5d529ce395fd27b000001.png | 18:38 |
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| Sicelo | gnucash still THE finance application on Linux or does someone know better? | 18:40 |
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| ecc3g | Anyone using UHS-1 cards in their n900, does it work properly? | 19:59 |
| ecc3g | I have a regular PC that seems to not be able to write to UHS-1 cards in Linux, but works perfectly in Windows | 20:00 |
| ecc3g | (Linux is using FUSE exfat, but reformatting the media to ext4 doesn't help, still cannot write) | 20:02 |
| ecc3g | i should say that it appears to write but no data ends up on the media... | 20:03 |
| KotCzarny | dmesg? | 20:03 |
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| ecc3g | no indication of write failure, silent failure... up until the point that the filesystem finds itself corrupt | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | then some writes occur | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | unless its just consistency check between memory and physical | 20:06 |
| KotCzarny | what kernel/driver? | 20:07 |
| ecc3g | i have a feeling that linux is trying to write in regular SD/MMC mode but the card itself only supports UHS1 properly. | 20:07 |
| ecc3g | which is a bad card as they all should support SD/MMC mode | 20:07 |
| KotCzarny | also, by linux you mean n900 or pc? | 20:07 |
| ecc3g | I was wondering if anyone had it working on a n900 too, I suspect similar issues... | 20:08 |
| KotCzarny | just put it into n900 and check? | 20:08 |
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| Maxdamantus | ecc3g: there is no "regular SD/MMC mode" | 21:44 |
| Maxdamantus | ecc3g: maybe it only has an exFAT filesystem. | 21:44 |
| Maxdamantus | oh, you mentioned that. | 21:44 |
| Maxdamantus | ecc3g: have you tried to mount it from a commandline? | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | i would start with simple dd test on block device | 21:45 |
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| KotCzarny | write, read, compare | 21:45 |
| KotCzarny | maybe its a fake? | 21:46 |
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| ecc3g | Yes there is a SD/MMC mode and UHS-1 uses a separate signalling mode. And yes I've always mounted via command line. The problem I'm seeing is that using SD/MMC mode is unreliable, but Windows does not use SD/MMC mode and uses UHS-1 mode, and coupled with that, is completely reliable. | 21:59 |
| ecc3g | Still could just be a bad card, but wonder if anyone else sees this behavior on UHS-1 cards | 22:00 |
| ecc3g | Even if it's a bad card, it works perfectly in Windows... | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | see: quirks | 22:00 |
| KotCzarny | you could've just found a bug in linux driver for your sd host | 22:01 |
| ecc3g | that's also possible. | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | that's why i've suggested trying the card in n900 | 22:01 |
| KotCzarny | or any other linux device | 22:01 |
| ecc3g | if the n900 isn't working... | 22:02 |
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| KotCzarny | are there sdxc cards without uhs? | 22:02 |
| ecc3g | it also does not work properly in SDHC USB card readers using usb-storage | 22:02 |
| ecc3g | I doubt it | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | because people were using successfully big cards in n8x0/n900 | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | big == >=64GB | 22:03 |
| ecc3g | hmm... might be a poorly implemented card, but it was too suspicious seeing two readers fail but works fine in windows | 22:03 |
| KotCzarny | is that card working in windows witht that usb reader? | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | That I did not try, never needed to since my windows boxes have built-in readers... | 22:04 |
| ecc3g | I suspect it will not work... | 22:04 |
| KotCzarny | usb reader (unless its using some specific driver)should behave the same on both systems | 22:06 |
| ecc3g | and I suspect it will behave the same, though not sure what windows does when a disk reports a successful write but doesn't actually write. | 22:07 |
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| Maxdamantus | I have a card that does that. | 22:13 |
| Maxdamantus | on at least Linux and Rockbox. | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1484469#post1484469 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10333354 | 22:25 |
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| freemangordon | ~flashing | 23:47 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 23:47 |
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