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ebzzryWhat is the best epub reader on the N900 now?05:57
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KotCzarnydont know about best, but try fbreader or coolreader08:19
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Siceloepub reader -- i found dorian to be the best. no bloat08:35
Sicelobetter memory management08:35
KotCzarnydoesnt look bad, pity it has only epub format08:41
ebzzrySicelo: thanks08:48
ebzzryhow about for PDFs?08:48
ebzzryKotCzarny: ok that08:49
Sicelopdf stock one is fine for most purposes ... can try mupdf for faster rendering, but there's no menu ... ymmv. you can also get evince. those are the ones i've used08:52
KotCzarnyfbreader can do many formats08:53
KotCzarnyfb2, html, chm, plucker, palmdoc, ztxt, tcr, rtf, oeb, ePub, pdb, openreader and more08:53
KotCzarnyhmm08:54
KotCzarnymisread pdb for pdf hrm08:54
KotCzarnyoh well08:54
Siceloyeah, if one needs more than epubs, then they are 'forced' to use fbreaded. looks like the op only needs epub though :)08:56
ebzzryso, dorian and stock pdf reader?08:57
ebzzryand fbreader08:57
KotCzarnyfbreader has pdf plugin, but i dont know if anyone compiled it for n90008:57
KotCzarnyebzzry: evince or xpdf/poppler for pdfs that stock pdf reader couldnt read (there are some cases)08:58
KotCzarnyusually those with 'no copy' flag08:58
ebzzryHow's the speed of evince?08:58
Siceloxpdf available for N900?08:58
ebzzryIs evince in testing?08:58
KotCzarnysicelo: xpdf is practically poppler08:58
Siceloi don't remember seeing it in repos .. let me check. on computer i use xpdf a lot08:59
KotCzarnyno xpdf, but poppler is there08:59
KotCzarnywonder whats included in poppler-utils09:00
ebzzryWhat's the site again for package lookups?09:00
Sicelothat's only what i see .. not poppler by itself09:01
KotCzarnyebzzry: apt-cache search somepackagename09:01
KotCzarnysicelo: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/poppler/09:01
ebzzryOn WWW09:01
SiceloKotCzarny: still :)09:01
Sicelothere's no popple in the repos09:02
ebzzryI want to know if evince is in testing or devel09:02
Sicelopoppler-utils contains pdfinfo, pdftops, etc09:02
KotCzarnyebzzry: apt-cache search evince09:02
Siceloevince is in regular repos .. not devel or testing09:03
ebzzrySicelo: ok09:03
ebzzryIs there a web interface for the packages?09:03
KotCzarnyebzzry: depends for which repo09:03
Sicelo~maemo-pkg09:03
Sicelo~maemopkg09:03
KotCzarnyhttp://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/09:04
Sicelohttp://maemo.org/packages/09:04
KotCzarnyfor extras ones with descriptions09:04
ebzzryThere09:04
KotCzarnyand categorized nicely09:04
ebzzryBy the way, what are the implications of having both extras and extras-testing? Can I have just one of them?09:04
KotCzarnyebzzry: you can have both, but extras-testing is more raw/untested09:04
KotCzarnyand usually contains newer versions09:05
ebzzrySo extras-testing is a superset of extras?09:05
ebzzrystrict superset?09:05
ebzzryOr no?09:05
KotCzarnypackage gets first uploaded (unchecked) to extras-devel, then developer promotes it to extras-testing for testing, then if it gets enough votes it gets into extras09:05
ebzzryok09:05
KotCzarnythats why extras-devel and -testing is virtually raw, ie. can have bad packages09:06
ebzzryDo some of you run Mer?09:06
freemangordonebzzry: noone, afaik09:06
KotCzarny:)09:06
ebzzryo09:07
ebzzryok09:07
freemangordonit doesn't make sense on n900, compared to Fremantle09:07
ebzzryok09:07
ebzzryBefore I lost my first N900, I heard there was a port of Meego to N900. How did it go?09:07
KotCzarnysicelo: compiling xpoppler/xpdf should go clean (because libpoppler-dev is already done)09:08
Siceloi think so. maybe they had problems with right-click :/09:08
Sicelowhich is used quite extensively in xpdf09:08
KotCzarnyor they just needed poppler for some other app09:08
freemangordonebzzry: there still is, but it is unusable for daily usage09:09
ebzzryfreemangordon: ok09:09
freemangordonSicelo: did you read through FB app review process?09:10
Siceloi did, but got a little confused, then side-tracked09:10
Sicelolet me get back to it again09:10
freemangordonjust a little confused?09:10
freemangordongood09:10
freemangordonseems you;re way smarter than me, as I got totally confused :D09:11
KotCzarny:)09:11
Siceloi think this is meant for heavy FB users. i was only using it for keeping in touch via xmpp09:12
KotCzarnytech smart but not mublejumblelawtrashtalk smart?09:12
ebzzrySicelo: evince is reported to be in -devel http://maemo.org/packages/view/evince/09:13
KotCzarnythere is also epdfview port09:13
KotCzarny(using libpoppler)09:14
freemangordonKotCzarny: no, I regularly pass through some kind of certification process (certifying applications, not myself), and usually the certification docs are over-engineered, but you can get what is expected to be done. not the case with FB docs09:14
freemangordonSicelo: what is meant for heavy FB users?09:14
Sicelojust people who use many apps that integrate with facebook for example, etc. but yeah, let me get back to the page and hopefully things will make better sense today09:18
freemangordonok09:18
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ebzzryDoes anybody know if the emacs at http://maemo.org/packages/view/emacs24/ is optified?09:35
KotCzarnydownload and unpack?09:35
ebzzryKotCzarny: ok09:38
ebzzryWhat GPS apps do you use?09:45
Defiantebzzry: modrana09:46
ebzzryDefiant: why?09:46
Defiantwhy not?09:46
ebzzryWhy modrana, instead of the other apps?09:46
DefiantBecause modrana does not crash every 10 minutes and has more features then most of the rest09:47
Defiantooh and it can use osm and not nokia maps09:48
ebzzryDefiant: thanks09:48
ebzzryDoes the modrana in testing and devel have a significant difference?09:48
Defiantno idea09:49
ebzzryDefiant: ok09:49
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sixwheeledbeastebzzry: I use devel one for modrana10:01
KotCzarnymm, another fine example of dev pissed with extras/-testing/-devel scheme10:03
ebzzrysixwheeledbeast: ok10:06
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Palivote for ipv6 support packages: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1483833&postcount=2811:50
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KotCzarnyamazing even you have to go through vote system11:52
KotCzarnyanyway, should i vote without testing?11:52
KotCzarny(because i have no ipv6 setup here atm)11:52
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Sicelolol. voting without testing defeats the purpose11:58
KotCzarny:)11:58
KotCzarnyhe didnt ask to test and vote, but to vote11:58
KotCzarnythat's why i'm asking11:58
KotCzarnythey are in testing since 2013 which pretty much sums up the -testing failage11:59
Siceloi did test IPv6 on my N900 in the past, through a VPN tunnel12:03
Siceloah, so it's not new packages ... i'll vote12:04
ceenei still see no use for ipv612:04
KotCzarnyceene, ipv6 will get there, local ISPs starting to add it to services12:05
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ceeneso they keep saying12:05
KotCzarnyand it's nice because then most people wont have to pay for external ips12:05
KotCzarny(unless they start charging for ipv6, he he)12:05
ceenemost people don't want external ips12:05
KotCzarnyceene, external ip is useful, very useful12:06
ceenein fact most people would benefit from being behind a nat that stops attacks and worms and all that12:06
ceenemaybe for you and for me12:06
ceenefor the 90% of the population they are more trouble than anything else12:06
KotCzarnyit frees us from 3rd party server reliance12:06
KotCzarnybut yes, what you are saying is also true12:07
ceenein fact, most 3g connections are through nat12:07
ceeneand nobody seems to care12:08
KotCzarnyas long you are just consuming data, yes12:08
ceeneand that's what most people does :)12:08
KotCzarnyif you want to do anything more, you see the difference12:08
Sicelohmm, looks like i never used any of those packages for IPv6 .. did it manually. can't vote.12:08
KotCzarnysicelo: :)12:09
Siceloand that VPN server isn't around anymore .. can't test12:11
KotCzarnyif you have tunnel account still active you can easily test12:11
KotCzarnythere are many ipv6 services, www, irc12:11
Sicelothe IPv6 was tunneled. i'll check the other services later12:12
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jon_yceene: that's terrible12:34
jon_ywe can't have nice things because 90% of the population12:34
Sicelohe didn't say that12:35
jon_ywell thats the most common excuse12:36
jon_yso common I get annoyed12:37
jon_y< ceene> in fact most people would benefit from being behind a nat that stops attacks and worms and all that12:37
ceeneisn't that true?12:37
jon_yI hope you like staying behind 3 layers of NAT12:37
ceenei personally don't like it, but I see how everyone I know benefits from it12:37
ceeneI remember installing windows on my uni's computers12:38
ceeneand getting infected with blaster during the installation itself12:38
jon_ysigh...12:38
ceenebecause thousands of attacks were reaching the new computer public ip address even before it had finished installing12:39
ceenenow, i know how to solve that12:39
ceenego and explain it to my parents12:39
jon_ythats right, never allow ipv6, ever12:39
ceenei'm not saying that at all12:39
ceeneand i'm not the one who was to allow or disallow it12:39
ceenei'm just saying that most people benefit from being behind a nat12:39
jon_yand?12:39
ceeneand nothing else12:40
ceenewhy do i have to say anything else?12:40
ceenei only say that12:40
jon_ybecause that alone implies a lot12:40
ceenei don't mind, it's a matter or fact12:40
jon_yso if your parent's PC gets an ipv6 address12:40
jon_ynow what?12:40
ceenenow they will be more exposed to viruses and attacks12:40
ceenethat they don't even know what they are12:40
ceeneand i will be the one to maintain their pc12:41
ceeneso the first thing i'd do, will be to setup our home router to do nat :)12:41
jon_yso your position is to ban ipv6 because 90% of the population is illiterate12:41
ceeneno, i haven't said that again12:41
ceene11:39 < ceene> i'm not saying that at all12:41
ceene11:39 < ceene> and i'm not the one who was to allow or disallow it12:41
ceene11:39 < ceene> i'm just saying that most people benefit from being behind a nat12:41
ceenethat's what i said12:41
ceenedon't put words in my mouth12:41
ceenes/who was/who has/g12:42
jon_ysure, I don't want to play the inquisitor12:42
jon_ybut I fought tooth and nail to get ipv6 from my ISP12:42
jon_y"oh you won't need it" they say12:42
jon_y"for your own protection"12:43
ceeneif you benefit from it that's good and all12:43
ceenebut not everything that suits you suits everybody12:43
ceenei won't fight against ipv612:43
ceenebut if anything happens to pose a threat to my parents computers i'll block it12:44
ceenethey for sure don't need ipv612:44
ceeneto be honest, they don't even need a computer12:44
Sicelo:)12:44
jon_ygive them an ipad12:44
jon_yworks for my parents12:44
ceenemy mom likes her android tablet12:44
ceenebut my dad only likes his laptopt12:44
ceeneto each their own12:44
ceenegotta be going now12:45
ceenecya!12:45
KotCzarnyum12:51
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KotCzarnybut people get infected even behind nat, shall we disallow email/im messages with link and www links in general?12:51
KotCzarnywe should educate, not nanny them12:52
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jon_yeducated is nice12:53
jon_yunfortunately I don't really see it happening :(12:54
KotCzarnynot true12:54
KotCzarnyeducate your parents, friends12:54
KotCzarnyword gets around12:54
zGrrmoin :)12:54
jon_yit was alien to them12:55
KotCzarnytoo much knowledge at once, teach one thing per session12:55
jon_yI can't even hold my parent's attention for 5 minutes12:55
jon_ythey'd go off to do their own stuff12:56
jon_yand/or forget the next day12:56
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KotCzarnyrepeat12:56
KotCzarnythat's how people learn things12:57
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zGrrMy 80 years old mum likes only Linux. She struggles with Windows at my sister's place.12:57
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erlehmannmy n900 sometimes does not recognize its SIM card14:39
erlehmannwhat can i do?14:39
KotCzarnyclean contacts14:40
KotCzarnyreplace sim with new one14:40
KotCzarnyif that's not helping prepare for modem breakdown14:40
Maxdamantusime, add two or three pieces of paper.14:42
MaxdamantusMaybe not three.14:42
Maxdamantuscan't really say that my experience is well-tested though. I just remember having issues with it detecting it the first few times, then added the paper and haven't had it again since (and haven't removed the paper)14:44
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ebzzryI can't download any wiktionary dumps for the evopedia anymore. Does anybody have a mirror?15:15
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DocScrutinizer05bot rebooting17:19
DocScrutinizer05please wait a minute17:19
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DocScrutinizer05~wb17:20
infobotIt's great to be back!17:20
DocScrutinizer05~repos17:21
infobotmethinks repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories17:21
leijjuvamuarf.org seems to be down also17:21
DocScrutinizer05yeah, not responsive at least17:23
DocScrutinizer05http://  maemo.linenoise.info/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/   seems to work17:24
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