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| zGrr | moin :) | 14:19 |
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| Sicelo | ~microb | 14:39 |
| Sicelo | ~micro-b | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | ~ping | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | missing bot | 14:40 |
| Sicelo | ah | 14:40 |
| Sicelo | just wanted the microb-thumb-renders-like-mad factoid | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | try google | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | might be there somewhere | 14:42 |
| Sicelo | got it in logs | 14:42 |
| KotCzarny | what are you hacking? | 14:42 |
| Sicelo | nothing haha. just wanted to see if there's anything "special" to do in order to see the speed improvement | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:43 |
| KotCzarny | most likely free ram | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont use modest/rss try disabling their autostart | 14:44 |
| KotCzarny | few megs never hurt | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | i use them | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | i'm trying to learn C again, for the 100th time, heh | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | its easy | 14:45 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:45 |
| Sicelo | if i do: | 14:45 |
| Sicelo | array[5], then i can put values in array[0] to array[4]. Or is it to [3] only? where [4] would be the null character? | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | 0-4 | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | but if you dont include null char, you will have troubles | 14:47 |
| KotCzarny | (well, in string related tasks) | 14:48 |
| Sicelo | doesn't the null char add "itself" for strings? | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | some functions do | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | but c is quite raw | 14:48 |
| KotCzarny | so dont rely on it being present 100% of the time | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | and make your functions safe from such situation | 14:49 |
| Sicelo | cool. | 14:50 |
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| drathir | sad that n900 cant put output on tv w/o lcd present... | 15:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | should do unless I misunderstand | 15:44 |
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| drathir | sixwheeledbeast: sadly no, bc looks like it takes resolution only when display connected and working... | 15:45 |
| KotCzarny | you mean it requires edid or n900's screen on? | 15:46 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: not sure what correctly needed, but w/o lcd attached no useful signal at tv out... | 15:47 |
| KotCzarny | most likely edid then | 15:49 |
| Sicelo | drathir is right. i remember reading about this | 15:49 |
| drathir | Sicelo: KotCzarny not sure about tech side, i guessing DocScrutinizer51 may be more oriented about that hw side... | 15:51 |
| KotCzarny | edid is data sent from monitor to device about available freqs and some other info | 15:53 |
| KotCzarny | older monitors didnt support it, but currently EVERYTHING supports it | 15:55 |
| Wizzup | surely this can be faked in sw | 15:55 |
| KotCzarny | still, how does it work over 3x cinch cable o.O | 15:56 |
| Sicelo | EDID also depends on the connecting cable | 15:58 |
| KotCzarny | but now i think about it, regular analog av cable doesnt support it, so it might be simply tv not supporting n900's resolution | 16:01 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, maybe you need to select ntsc/pal ? | 16:02 |
| KotCzarny | or your tv is so old it only supports secam? | 16:02 |
| Sicelo | i'm lost :) he's not having that problem, is he? | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | not sure | 16:04 |
| Sicelo | i think he's got bad lcd? | 16:04 |
| KotCzarny | but as much i understood it works on lcd tv but doesnt on analog tv | 16:04 |
| Sicelo | and had hoped to at least use tv out in the absence of working lcd .. which doesn't work | 16:04 |
| Sicelo | i think he means N900 lcd :) | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | broekn ribbon or cracked screen | 16:05 |
| Sicelo | *broken | 16:05 |
| KotCzarny | hum | 16:05 |
| drathir | im pretty sure cinch/rca not support data transfer... the phone have tv out settings attached... | 16:07 |
| drathir | and its connected directly with no connected lcd im guessing... | 16:08 |
| * Sicelo is completely lost now | 16:09 | |
| KotCzarny | drathir: pytanie w czym problem | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: co konkretnie dziala/nie dziala i kiedy | 16:10 |
| drathir | in theory some kind of paralel mode both are connected each other, or some kind of similar to back panel switch sd card behaviour, w/o connected workin lcd not enabling signal out... | 16:10 |
| KotCzarny | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434658&postcount=14 | 16:11 |
| KotCzarny | So if your TV doesn't recognize the video out of the N900, I'd first try to display a bright image to see if that helps, or just wait a few minutes. You also need to connect the video source prior to connecting the cable to the N900 | 16:12 |
| drathir | no lcd connected no tv out available, workin lcd attached tv out available and fuly workin... | 16:12 |
| KotCzarny | n900 tv out signal is ~0.5V instead of standard 1.0V | 16:12 |
| drathir | Sicelo: and yea lcd=builid in lcd... | 16:13 |
| KotCzarny | so, you mean tv signal is only present when device is unlocked? | 16:16 |
| drathir | tv signal out workin only when working builidin lcd attached... | 16:17 |
| Wizzup | are you sure X even starts? | 16:17 |
| KotCzarny | attached like in ribbon cable connected? | 16:18 |
| drathir | when builid in lcd unattached the tv out signal not workin... | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | what wizzup said | 16:18 |
| KotCzarny | maybe it doesnt boot properly without lcd attached | 16:18 |
| drathir | yea, builid in lcd connected to board and disconnected from board... | 16:19 |
| drathir | Wizzup thats really: good point, maybe the X crashing w/o builid in lcd connected to board... i guess need to check that by ssh connect to phone... | 16:21 |
| Wizzup | drathir: that or serial | 16:22 |
| drathir | that also could mean tv out and builid in lcd out could be linked each other in some way... | 16:22 |
| * drathir thinks all the time that are both separate device outs... | 16:24 | |
| Wizzup | I wonder if you can have them show separate things | 16:24 |
| Wizzup | as much as I would *love* that | 16:24 |
| Wizzup | I am not so sure if that is possible | 16:24 |
| Wizzup | cc DocScrutinizer51 | 16:24 |
| KotCzarny | does xrandr work on n900? | 16:24 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: likely not with omapfb | 16:25 |
| Wizzup | I mean, you could check... | 16:25 |
| Wizzup | I also doubt you'd control the tv out with xrandr | 16:25 |
| Wizzup | but maybe ... just maybe | 16:25 |
| KotCzarny | (II) FBDEV(0): RandR 1.2 enabled, ignore the following RandR disabled message. | 16:26 |
| KotCzarny | but no word in xlog about tv out | 16:27 |
| Wizzup | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-tvout-control/trees/master/src | 16:27 |
| KotCzarny | only lcd | 16:27 |
| Wizzup | of course ... not visible atm | 16:27 |
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| Wizzup | https://github.com/community-ssu/maemo-tvout-control | 16:28 |
| drathir | but even if that all no success i guess at least stay vnc... | 16:28 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: or usb video card | 16:28 |
| Wizzup | hm.. | 16:28 |
| Wizzup | drathir: what is it that you want to do | 16:28 |
| drathir | Wizzup: not sure if clean mamemo have it too, but with kernel power i was i menu the type pal/ntsc and i guess also resolution... | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | drathir, never saw resolution applet for tv out | 16:29 |
| KotCzarny | though i saw desktop widget with scaling etc | 16:30 |
| Wizzup | you cannot change the resolution | 16:30 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: yea that too but powered modified usb hub needed for that i guess... | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | and tv system | 16:30 |
| Wizzup | I wonder why I cannot find wiki pages on it | 16:30 |
| KotCzarny | tv out control widget | 16:31 |
| Wizzup | I mean on how it works internally | 16:31 |
| Wizzup | on the wiki | 16:31 |
| drathir | Wizzup: im thinked about connecting n900 w/o lcd to tv instead... | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | tv out is limited to 576px vertically | 16:31 |
| KotCzarny | which sux for anything | 16:31 |
| * Wizzup looks at libtvout-ctl | 16:33 | |
| Wizzup | drathir: so you want to get a higher res output on the tv? | 16:33 |
| Wizzup | https://github.com/community-ssu/libtvout-ctl | 16:33 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: played 720p with nice looks and cool sound... | 16:34 |
| Wizzup | https://github.com/community-ssu/libtvout-ctl/blob/master/src/tvout-ctl-xrandr.c | 16:34 |
| drathir | but up than 720p is really trouble ;/ | 16:34 |
| drathir | Wizzup: and no needed high res on tv, enough standard one w/o attached builid in lcd to board.... | 16:37 |
| Wizzup | drathir: you're really confusing me | 16:38 |
| Wizzup | did you just say you managed to output more than 480x800 on the tv out | 16:38 |
| drathir | Wizzup: when You put out builid in lcd from boad, You have only board and to be able connect only board w/o builid in lcd directly by tv out... | 16:39 |
| Wizzup | So what? Just leave the lcd on for now | 16:40 |
| Wizzup | I do not understand the whole discussion | 16:40 |
| drathir | in case i dont have lcd its broken or wathever reason no lcd connected to board... | 16:40 |
| Wizzup | so the whole discussion was never about a different resolution on anything | 16:41 |
| Wizzup | just ssh to it already and figure out if X is still working or not | 16:41 |
| drathir | no lcd connected to board = tv out not workin... | 16:41 |
| Wizzup | you said this a 100 times | 16:41 |
| drathir | Wizzup: yea i will check all the things mentioned... | 16:41 |
| drathir | and ofc thanks a lot for all useful ideas... | 16:44 |
| Wizzup | welcome | 16:46 |
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| Sicelo | anyone knows why Google, when `inventing` Android, decided to combine Linux with Java? | 18:35 |
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| KotCzarny | sicelo, for science and stuff! | 19:12 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously they needed cheap platform with sandbox | 19:12 |
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| Sicelo | i'd assume close to vanilla linux would be cheap enough | 19:24 |
| Wizzup | Sicelo: google never invented android | 19:25 |
| Wizzup | They bought it | 19:25 |
| Sicelo | from? and still .. they should have bought tizen :P | 19:28 |
| Sicelo | or webos (or were these not around in those days) | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<drathir> no lcd connected to board = tv out not workin...)) yes, this seems to be correct. Probably X11 (or kernel module) doesn't initialize the LCD display buffer. mind you "LCD" also has a lot of other subsystems like "mousepointer" aka touchpanel, bacjlight for LCD, camera, ALS, proximity sensor | 19:36 |
| Sicelo | anyway .. just random musing. the fate of android is sealed | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: first Android device was OM Freerunner and I don't think tizen existed at that time, neither webos was 'available' | 19:37 |
| Sicelo | would been interesting if google went with either of those | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you seen werner almesberger's talk on Neo900? he's mentioning the unknown fact about very first Android device | 19:40 |
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| Sicelo | no. will look at it again | 19:41 |
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| Sicelo | haha, from wikipedia: | 19:43 |
| Sicelo | Several security firms, such as Lookout Mobile Security,[171] AVG Technologies,[172] and McAfee,[173] have released antivirus software for Android devices. This software is ineffective as sandboxing also applies to such applications, limiting their ability to scan the deeper system for threats. | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARHARHAR | 19:44 |
| Wizzup | haha | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (OM Freerunner) I rather guess it was OM GTA01 | 19:50 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: link for the video? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/talk.pdf p.6 | 20:01 |
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| Sicelo | thanks. | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yw :-) | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 4:40 | 20:14 |
| Sicelo | too late, lol. i'm at 6 min already | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | he's calling our OS FREEmantle!! insult | 20:20 |
| Sicelo | :p | 20:21 |
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| drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ALS is light sensor right? | 21:40 |
| Sicelo | yep | 21:41 |
| drathir | Sicelo: comodo suggesting rooting of device for extra feautures ^^ | 21:41 |
| Sicelo | re ALS ^^ | 21:41 |
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| Wizzup | ~seen pali | 22:26 |
| KotCzarny | bot still missing | 22:28 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~ping | 22:48 |
| APic | B-( | 22:50 |
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| ceene | now that i think about it | 23:40 |
| ceene | there should be a way of sniffing out the messages between whatsapp and its servers | 23:41 |
| ceene | maybe i could compare the group creation messages | 23:41 |
| ceene | or maybe it is decipherable in the decompiled code, dunno | 23:41 |
| L29Ah | they should be talking over tls | 23:41 |
| ceene | if wa verifies the cert of wa servers there isn't anything i can do, is it? | 23:42 |
| L29Ah | try hijacking the tls lib | 23:42 |
| L29Ah | to dump the plaintext | 23:43 |
| ceene | uhm | 23:43 |
| ceene | i could write a shared library that replaces the original | 23:43 |
| ceene | seems a bit complicated | 23:43 |
| L29Ah | you need to write a shared library that proxies the calls to the original one | 23:44 |
| L29Ah | or you need to patch the original one to dump stuff you need | 23:44 |
| L29Ah | go ldd the client to see if it actually uses any | 23:44 |
| ceene | i think that won't be needed | 23:45 |
| kerio | there's very little you can't do if you have root | 23:46 |
| ceene | i got the decompiled coded and seems readable | 23:46 |
| kerio | at least, in theory | 23:46 |
| L29Ah | wow | 23:46 |
| L29Ah | what did you use to decompile it? | 23:46 |
| kerio | does android use openssl? | 23:47 |
| ceene | jd-gui | 23:47 |
| L29Ah | oh java | 23:47 |
| ceene | basically first google entry for "java decompiler" | 23:47 |
| ceene | there seems to be a new entry | 23:51 |
| ceene | called "web" | 23:51 |
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| ceene | but... | 23:52 |
| ceene | it's not always set | 23:52 |
| ceene | don't know, I'm confused | 23:52 |
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| ceene | i can't see any difference :( | 23:56 |
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