IRC log of #maemo for Friday, 2015-08-21

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bencohSicelo: ufraw/dcraw could be ported to maemo00:17
bencohtheir are a few deps, but they're not too ugly00:17
bencohafaict00:17
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PaliLuke-Jr: hi, do you have some patches for kmail/kontact ready?00:37
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Palinow I fixed another bug: calling: kmail 'mailto:?To=test+a@test.aa' wanted to send mail to address "test a@test.aa" basically all '+' were replaced by ' ' space00:41
Pali(I know '+' should  be properly percent escaped and that mailto uri is not valid per rfc, but it is better to not do such replace for "invalid" uris)00:42
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stryngshttp://ethicalreporting.org/foo400.png09:09
stryngshttp://ethicalreporting.org/unmask.html09:10
Sicelo?09:36
stryngsCheck out unmask Sicelo09:38
stryngsThen check out the png in a txt editor09:38
stryngsfollow the crumbs09:38
stryngsIt's "interesting"09:38
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sproodlydooto whoever flashed my n900 on the last day of chaos communication camp: it works! \o/11:13
sproodlydoomaybe the problem was the temperature11:14
kerio\o/11:14
bencoh:)11:25
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DocScrutinizer51~gsm-agps13:26
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP13:26
Sicelo~rrlp13:26
infobotrrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP13:26
Sicelo~sicelo13:27
* Sicelo kicks infobot 13:27
DocScrutinizer51~listkeys sicelo13:27
infobotFactoid search of 'sicelo' by key (1): infobot sicelo.13:27
Sicelo~n90013:28
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside and a beer13:28
Sicelohahaha13:28
Sicelo~n913:28
Sicelounknown entity13:28
Sicelo~maemo13:28
DocScrutinizer51~infobot sicelo13:28
Sicelohow are you DocScrutinizer51?13:29
Sicelothanks for those videos you posted :) wish i'd been there13:30
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zGrrmoin :)13:39
APicHeya *13:40
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zGrr:)13:45
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DocScrutinizer05grr connectivity drop without a warning sucks13:58
DocScrutinizer51Sicelo: finished camp-aftermath and now I'll get me 3 days of sleep13:58
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newbieAlertHey hi, what is volatge when n900 should show "Battery Low" ???17:03
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Siceloseems to depend on your battery's capacity.17:48
Sicelowhich is also 'dependent' on calibration17:48
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newbieAlertSicelo: 3600mV is being shown on bq27200.sh script !!17:49
Sicelocheck CI flag..17:49
newbieAlertand in Batterygraph too.17:49
Sicelowhat is it?17:49
newbieAlertCI flag where ??17:50
Sicelobq27200 output17:50
newbieAlert117:50
newbieAlerti have 3 batteries in parallel connected !!17:51
Sicelosee .. your capacity readout is not accurate17:51
Sicelopaste the complete bq27200 output on a pastebin for us17:52
newbieAlertSicelo: ^^. For EDV1, it  should go below 3300 mV17:52
Siceloof course it should .. but if N900 doesn't "know" the capacity of that battery?17:52
newbieAlertSicelo: Umm, its charging right now. Will paste it in 20 min after discharging it.17:52
Sicelook17:52
Siceloanyway, i had battery notification when battery was full many times ... i had not calibrated for over a year, and CI=117:53
Sicelomy USb was broken .. now fixed, and since then, no more annoying battery low notifications17:54
Sicelowhat is your "Last Measured dDischarge" value?17:55
newbieAlertSicelo: But, that should be about given capacity of battery. What about the reported Voltage ?? It should not shut down at 3.6V :/17:55
newbieAlert1949 mah and then the phone went down, corrupting my SD card.17:56
newbieAlertSicelo:17:56
newbieAlertSo, i tend to charge it whenever it shows battery low for more than 4 times.17:56
newbieAlertSicelo: ^^17:57
Siceloif your capacity is low .. then battery voltage can drop very fast, enough to shut down17:57
Sicelothat's when you junk the battery ;)17:57
Siceloso voltage alone isn't really the most important characteristic17:57
Siceloanyway, imm no engineer, and N900 is kinda complicated sometimes, haha17:57
Sicelospeak to Pali, DocScrutinizer51 or some of the other more knowledgeable guys17:58
newbieAlertSicelo: 3 batteries?? I get a good working time of one whole day of heavy working and 2 days of moderate working .17:58
newbieAlertSicelo: just the figures dont match :/17:59
Siceloactually changing batteries is just what will cause your N900 to not "know" waht's going on :)17:59
Sicelonew batteries? genuine?17:59
newbieAlertSicelo: Yepgenuine Nokia batteries . BL-5J17:59
Sicelohow old?18:00
Sicelousing stock bme or replacement?18:00
newbieAlertstock bme.18:00
newbieAlertSicelo: used for about 7 months at max.18:00
Siceloshutting down at 3.6V suggests your batteries have high internal resistance => time to bin them i think18:01
Siceloyou use them in parallel? i don't know much about matching when you use them that way ...18:01
Sicelotmo is your best bet .. look for the scud threads i think18:02
newbieAlertSicelo: They work like Dual Battery Mod, except that they are 3.18:02
* Sicelo has never followed those kinds of setup18:02
SiceloN900 is already big enough by itself, haha .. have no space in my pocket for a double-burger N90018:03
newbieAlertSicelo: What happened to pastebin app ?? :/ Cant find it.18:03
newbieAlertSicelo: :P :D :D yep and looks awful with lots of cellotape :P18:03
Siceloit's still there... there was even an update recently. tbh, i do it manually now18:03
newbieAlertSicelo: Name of the app please.18:03
Sicelopastebinit18:04
Siceloomg .. latest one needs python3 .. i wasn't aware we had that. nice18:06
newbieAlertSicelo: Cant find it . Trying manually.18:08
newbieAlertSicelo: http://pastebin.com/LHYEjD5G18:09
Sicelo     1.4-3maemo1 018:09
Sicelo        500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Package18:09
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Sicelocheck your repo lists18:09
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newbieAlertSicelo: Done manually . ^^18:11
Sicelopretty high power usage there .. 309mA .. enough to upset your voltage and cause a "big" dip .. and stock bme is most unforgiving18:11
Sicelowonder why your uSD got corrupted though ... bme shouldn't let that happen, and with stock bme shutting down a little too early..18:12
Sicelothen again, everything can have hiccups anywhere ;)18:13
Sicelomaybe one of your 3 batteries is bad, and is the weak link in your setup? dunno really .. have never played with multiple batteries to know how they affect each other when combined18:14
newbieAlertSicelo: I have no clue, It was the first time i tried to calibrate and i let it shut down with script looping every 5 second. thats when it read 1949mah and limit increased to 3600mV i think.18:15
Sicelohuh? limit to 3600mV .. i don't get that part18:16
newbieAlertSicelo: Ohh yes, 4 terminals, browser and FAM !!18:16
newbieAlertSicelo: 3.6V to death !! It should survive till 3.3V.18:17
newbieAlerthttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=84618:17
Sicelobw, 1900mAh on 3 batteries .. alread sounds like you've got a bad battery somewhere .. remember a new BL-5J is 1430mAH the new ones18:17
newbieAlertSicelo: No, Calibration will be done in two steps as written in post.18:17
Siceloyeah, i know death should come at 3000mV actually, and at 3248mV that's when calibration is considered complete18:18
Siceloah, yes, you're going up by the way, haha18:18
bencohSicelo: where do these "new" come from ?18:18
Sicelothinking you're going down18:18
Sicelonew batteries? newer Nokias .. lumias using bl5j18:18
Siceloolder bl5j are 1320mAh18:18
newbieAlertbencoh: Shop. 1430mah.18:19
bencohgenuine 1430mAh bl-5j ? fun18:19
Siceloyup18:19
Sicelorevision ;)18:19
newbieAlertbencoh: ??18:20
bencohnewbieAlert: ?18:20
newbieAlertis it not 1430?18:20
Siceloanyway newbieAlert ... all i said is mostly guesses .. bme will not shut down phone unless it thinks you're that low .. so we can assume somehow you did get that low after all18:20
Sicelojust a quick one ..l18:21
Sicelodid you have to set the time on switching N900 on again?18:21
newbieAlertSicelo:  after i keep battery out for a long time18:22
Siceloi mean .. when it shut down at 3.6V18:22
newbieAlertSicelo: I didnot let it !! It was showinng battery low continuosly and RSOC 0%.18:23
newbieAlertthats when i plugged in the charger18:23
Sicelook. i thought you were saying it shutdown :)18:25
newbieAlertSicelo: last time it did , took my uSD :P so, i didnot let it to.18:26
Sicelostill shouldn't shut it down unless your really d get very close to 3.2V18:28
Siceloanyway, going afk for a bit18:28
newbieAlertI will be back in sometime after discharging this to 3.6V level. Will pastebin the very first time it shows "BAttery Low"/18:28
Sicelotbh this does imply "battery low" warning is based on RSOC, so it would make sense for you to get it very early18:30
Sicelodoesn't explain how you get an early shutdown though ...18:30
newbieAlertSicelo: My RSOc goes 0% very early, when my original battery indicator shows about 6%.18:30
Sicelowhen my battery wasn't calibrated, i'd get very early and numerous "battery low" notifications, but battery still lasted a full day18:31
Siceloit's expected .. your calibration is off anyway18:31
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newbieAlertSicelo: Wokay.. So i will let it shutdown again this time. :) :) Hope it doesnot corrupt my uSD.18:32
newbieAlertSicelo: Thanks :) :)18:32
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Luke-JrPali: sent those pull reqs18:50
PaliLuke-Jr: yes, I got emails18:51
Paliplease wait as now I have couple of things to do...18:51
Luke-Jrnp18:53
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newbieAlertokay here is one more pastebin , when its showing battery low : pastebin.com/5q5cZD1921:07
newbieAlertSicelo: ^^ if you are  there.21:08
newbieAlertwww.pastebin.com/5q5cZD1921:08
Siceloi see it .. dunno .. but still makes sense to me that you should get batterly low warning ... the meter says you have 0mAh now. on the other hand, as you do have 3.62V, it shouldn't shutdown. still wonder why you're using so much power though ... 289mA is rather on the high side :)21:13
Siceloanyway, you may get better performance with calibrating this faster ... shutdown bme and monitor the battery voltage, and charge as soon as EDVF=121:14
newbieAlertSicelo: power usage right now is 54 to 155 ..21:15
newbieAlertSicelo: shutting down BME will make it reboot in 32seconds. So should i just continue without shutting BME ??21:16
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Sicelowhy will it reboot?21:21
newbieAlerthttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734   .... Its written there.21:24
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Siceloare you hotswapping your batteries? :/21:31
Sicelothat post is about hotswapping battery ... the OP was saying you only have 32 seconds in which you can keep N900 switched on without a battery in the device. it has no relation to your problem21:34
newbieAlertSicelo:  I think, it said BME can keep off only for 32 seconds.21:35
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Sicelonop :)21:35
newbieAlertSicelo: Btw, this bq27200.sh script does switch off BME before getting the values and then switches it on.21:38
Siceloi don't know which bq27200.sh you have then .. the original one does not do anything to bme21:38
Sicelojust look in the script ... you're sure it stops BME?21:40
newbieAlertSicelo: Looked into It. Its commented :/21:42
newbieAlertSicelo: Till now, device is still on , and continuous battery low warnings.21:42
Siceloanyway, it won't calibrate now :)21:48
Siceloyou may as well charge ...21:48
newbieAlertSicelo: Thanks :) :) 2 days to kill a completely charged battery.21:49
SiceloVDQ=0 .. it will only be 1 when the battery is charged to full, and will remain 1 *provided* you do not connect a charger again (even charging while using N900 in mass storage mode). When VDQ=1, and EVDF becomes 1 (for 10 to 15 seconds .. not too sure which), only then does the chip consider it a proper discharge cycle, and "calibration" is complete21:50
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newbieAlertSicelo: Yeah!! I know that except VDQ goes 1 without completely charging thebattery.21:52
Siceloyes. that does happen sometimes, haha21:54
kerionewbieAlert:21:54
keriowhoops21:54
kerionewbieAlert: only do your calibration starting from a fully charged battery that just finished charging21:54
kerioand let it discharge at a constant rate and at constant temperature until the calibration is complete21:54
newbieAlertSicelo: Thanks for help :) :) :) you have been great :)21:57
newbieAlertkerio: Thanks. But constant rate and temp ?? Just keep it onstandby ??21:57
kerioi like offline mode and screen turned on at full brightness21:58
keriogives a 180-ish mA load21:58
kerionote that, in theory, you'll get a reading that's smaller than it should be21:58
keriobut underestimating your battery is not that big of a deal at all, really21:59
newbieAlertkerio: It has alreasdy been calibrated once, till 2000 mah. Now it needs to go from 2000 to 4000 mah.21:59
kerioayy lmao22:00
Siceloboth my batterys are now only 1000mAh ... 5 years use, daily charging22:04
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Sicelomy spelling is bad today22:04
newbieAlertSicelo: haha!22:05
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PaliLuke-Jr: I will look at patches tomorrow... I believe I could have some time23:13
Luke-JrPali: k23:51
Luke-JrPali: not that I have time, but just in case: would you accept patches that improve portability so it can maybe be compiled with Qt5/KDE5 (optionally)?23:51
PaliLuke-Jr: if patches does not break Qt4/KDE4 I can accept them23:52
Luke-Jrgreat23:52

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