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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: well, the result might well be a reboot | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dsme is the master watchdog process in maemo | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even a simple sigstop bme already suffices to reboot maemo after ~ 60s | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dsme, bme, and mce are quite important processes for the system | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and maemo-launcher is not really simple to even guess what might result from stopping all processes spawned/created by or through it | 00:13 |
| Pali | dsme is kicking HW watchdogs | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 00:14 |
| Pali | also controls temperature, battery status, charge status and overheating | 00:14 |
| Pali | it should not be stopped | 00:14 |
| Luke-Jr | hm, dsme disappeared when I SIGCONT'd it | 00:15 |
| Luke-Jr | any way to restart it? :x | 00:16 |
| Pali | stop dsme | 00:16 |
| Pali | start dsme | 00:16 |
| Pali | dsme is controlled by our init daemon (=upstart) | 00:17 |
| Luke-Jr | Pali: btw, any reason fcam is not included in power kernel? | 00:19 |
| Pali | is not fcam just application? | 00:19 |
| Luke-Jr | no, it has a kernel patch too | 00:20 |
| Pali | I do not know about those kernel patches | 00:21 |
| Pali | but I'm not using fcam | 00:21 |
| Pali | so I do not know about it | 00:21 |
| Pali | and nobody sent me any fcam patches for review and including into kp | 00:21 |
| Pali | so that means there were also no interrest from users | 00:21 |
| Sicelo | ah .. and .. Pali, when you have a moment : USB Mode -- what causes the blue LED to 'refuse' to go out when you re-enable peripheral mode? i've tried switching it off via dbus, but it just comes back in less than 10 seconds | 00:22 |
| Pali | aha... I have 3 unpushed commits in my usbmode git from year 2013 | 00:23 |
| Pali | Sicelo: if you are interested for testing, please drop me email | 00:24 |
| Pali | maybe it will fix that problems... I do not remember... anyways now I'm going offline | 00:24 |
| Sicelo | i'll mail :) | 00:24 |
| Pali | I look at it tomorrow | 00:25 |
| Pali | bye | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: LED is controlled by MCE pattern. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~phonecontrol | 00:27 |
| infobot | somebody said phonecontrol was http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Deactivate_LEDs | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replace PatternCommunicationIM by the name of the pattern (in /etc/mce/mce.ini) that got activated by USB mode | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: see http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly see cleanup(){...} which gets executed by trap on all script exit (except sigkill) | 00:32 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: i used that very "deactivate" dbus call .. but it comes on again for some weird reason. something in usbmode | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, unless usbmode send a new dbus activate msg, I don't see how it could do that | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dbus-monitor should help | 00:34 |
| Sicelo | nothing appears | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually usbmode sending multiple activate commands would be massively buggy, they get accumulated afaik, means you need a deactivate command for each activate command that been sent | 00:35 |
| Sicelo | dbus-monitor --system .. unless i should have monitored one of the other buses | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, systembus is correct | 00:36 |
| Sicelo | there's definitely a bug .. someone else also mentioned it on tmo, and i think Pali is aware of it | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you can't deactivate it via dbus cmd, the bug would be either in your command or in mce | 00:37 |
| Sicelo | prolly mce then | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again, you need to use exactly the right pattern name | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worst case `stop mce; sleep 1; start mce` | 00:38 |
| Sicelo | didn't help either :) | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see how mce suddenly develops bugs it didn't ever show during last 5 years | 00:38 |
| Sicelo | maybe the pattern is defined in a bad way? | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't matter | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mce doesn't care about the pattern definition | 00:39 |
| Sicelo | then it's a crazy situation | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it simply sends the pattern to lp5523 chip and increments a counter | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then it refreshes the pattern in lp5523 every 10s or so | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or actually on every 'event' | 00:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's the name of the pattern? | 00:42 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1475026&postcount=233 someone else with exactly same issue | 00:42 |
| Sicelo | PatternBoost | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irrelevant | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and did you try sending a dozen or more deactivate dbus msgs? | 00:42 |
| Sicelo | i don't have an actual number of timesp but at least 4, yes | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and not even a reboot helps to stop the LED blinking? | 00:48 |
| Sicelo | reboot helps. so far looks like the only working solution (which sucks) | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, mce does _not_ accumulate multiple activate-pattern calls. A single deactivate call stops the pattern | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe it has another similar looking pattern on its stack that gets re-enabled when you deactivate the PatternBoost? | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | who/what would set the pattern? | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how would I know? maybe a patternMessage or pattern_missedcall or whatever | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas mce lacks a query what's the currently active pattern resp state of LED | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but actually maybe there's a typo or rather syntax error in the mce.ini file that causes mce to act funny. You might want to check that file | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think mce get severely tested for tolerant handling of syntax errors in mce.ini | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another approach would be to start dbus-monitor before you start usbmode first time. Filter for string "*activate", see who sends which LED pattern cmd when and how often | 00:58 |
| Sicelo | will try that tomorrow | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw I just notced that a "dbus-monitor --system&" does _not_ log the dbus-send command I use to (de)activate LED pattern | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite weird | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I forgot how to use that stuff correctly | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't touch it for 2 years or so | 01:10 |
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| recharged | I just ran an apt-get dist-upgrade on my N900 and it literally purged everything and killed itself | 09:34 |
| recharged | Why? | 09:34 |
| kerio | because packaging | 09:35 |
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| kerio | also, you should've noticed that something was wrong when it told you "installing one new package, removing 450 packages" | 09:36 |
| kerio | and "THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY DANGEROUS TYPE THIS WHOLE PHRASE IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY THAT CRAZY" | 09:36 |
| recharged | I never really look at that | 09:36 |
| recharged | just accept it | 09:36 |
| kerio | good job | 09:36 |
| recharged | and when I realized it was purging everything I thought it was funny and let it keep going | 09:36 |
| recharged | what could have caused that, though? | 09:37 |
| kerio | bad packaging | 09:38 |
| recharged | ah well | 09:39 |
| recharged | it was just flashed yesterday, so this doesn't bother me too much | 09:39 |
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| KotCzarny | recharged: never ever use autoremove on n900 | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | or dist-upgrade | 09:43 |
| recharged | really? why? | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | and even upgrade is dangerous | 09:43 |
| KotCzarny | because nokia | 09:43 |
| recharged | I've never had a problem with it before this | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | on n900? | 09:44 |
| recharged | yes | 09:44 |
| recharged | in fact, it works better than ham and fam for me | 09:44 |
| kerio | autoremove can be fixed manually | 09:44 |
| KotCzarny | most likely some package sucked something that conflicted with some system package, which in turn remove everything systemish | 09:44 |
| kerio | KotCzarny: indeed | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | and yes, when used cautiously, apt is much better | 09:45 |
| KotCzarny | but it prints what it's gonna do for a reason | 09:45 |
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| KotCzarny | still, when doing system upgrades, you should use speedyham (or ham) | 09:49 |
| recharged | I normally read it, but it said that there were 57 upgrades available so I assumed they were just upgrades | 09:49 |
| recharged | I'll use one of them for now on | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | ~speedyham | 09:49 |
| infobot | rumour has it, speedyham is 30 times faster than HAM http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-devel/pool/free/h/hildon-application-manager/hildon-application-manager_2.2.73-2_armel.deb | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | ~fam | 09:49 |
| infobot | hmm... fapman is Faster Application Manager, a frontend for apt which uses own repositories catalog, and shouldn't be used to do system upgrades (like CSSU), or actually for anything since ~speedyHAM. It also does "apt-get autoremove" after every operation, by default. In short, it's been identified as source of system corruption and thus deprecated, or see ~hamvsfam | 09:49 |
| KotCzarny | speedyham is available in cssu though, so: | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | ~cssu | 09:50 |
| infobot | cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) | 09:50 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | something will have conflicted with the metapackage ball that is maemo. | 13:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~hamvsfam | 13:49 |
| infobot | [hamvsfam] https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-28.log.html#t2013-10-28T10:44:33, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93227 | 13:49 |
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| Vajb | hmm has speedyham changed lately? Because last i tried it nearly broke my system. | 14:17 |
| Vajb | install failed in ham and with apt it wanted to remove way too much stuff | 14:18 |
| KotCzarny | install of what and from which repo? | 14:18 |
| freemangordon_ | Vajb: "speedyham" is supposed to be a part of CSSU | 14:18 |
| freemangordon_ | it was never meant to be instgalled as a single package | 14:19 |
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| Vajb | is it part of it already? | 14:19 |
| KotCzarny | i think cssu installation should be done via installing speedyham | 14:19 |
| Vajb | i have cssu-testing | 14:19 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, afaik | 14:19 |
| freemangordon_ | lemme check | 14:19 |
| Vajb | k maybe it wasn't when i tried | 14:20 |
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| Vajb | i had cssu-stable back then | 14:20 |
| Vajb | and i recall installing atleast one cssu update after that | 14:20 |
| Vajb | so it is possible | 14:20 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, no, it is still not in cssu-testing | 14:22 |
| freemangordon_ | oh, it is | 14:23 |
| freemangordon_ | hildon-application-manager (1:2.2.73-2) unstable; urgency=low | 14:23 |
| freemangordon_ | Vajb: ^^^ | 14:23 |
| Vajb | oh | 14:27 |
| Vajb | hmm lemme check which version i have | 14:28 |
| Vajb | yup | 14:32 |
| Vajb | that's what i have now | 14:32 |
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| bencoh | I have a hand-picked speedyHAM on cssu-stable here, it seems to be working | 14:34 |
| bencoh | (cant say I use it much though) | 14:34 |
| bencoh | (s/seems/seemed/ since I haven't actually really used it for a few months ... just to try) | 14:35 |
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| freemangordon_ | bencoh: does cssu-stable includes upgraded glib needed by SHAM? | 14:36 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Possibly cssu-devel enabled? there have been some changes there recently. I doubt stable has new glib | 14:36 |
| freemangordon_ | why nodt, it's been in -testing for quite a long time | 14:36 |
| bencoh | libglib2.0-0 1.4.2+0m5 here | 14:36 |
| freemangordon_ | *not | 14:36 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: by "needed", do you mean "missing symbols" or bug fix ? | 14:37 |
| Hxor | hello anyone here using nokia n900 | 14:37 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: debian dependencies :) | 14:37 |
| bencoh | oh | 14:37 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Hxor: eh yeah.. | 14:37 |
| freemangordon_ | Hxor: sure | 14:37 |
| bencoh | Hxor: of course :) | 14:38 |
| Hxor | hey :) im new to it very fun | 14:38 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: I guess it depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0), so I wonder how did you manage to install it | 14:38 |
| freemangordon_ | unless you compiled it from the source ofc | 14:39 |
| Hxor | i think you can get libglib2 as amerl.deb package | 14:39 |
| KotCzarny | freemangordon: maybe he enabled cssu repo | 14:40 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: dpkg-deb -I says >= 2.20.0 here and I cant find the package on my build box so I guess I didnt build it | 14:40 |
| freemangordon_ | and what do you have on the device? | 14:41 |
| freemangordon_ | libglib version that is | 14:41 |
| bencoh | err, strike the 1.4.2 thing, that was libisi-glib, silly display | 14:41 |
| bencoh | libglib is 2.20.3-1maemo5+0m5 | 14:41 |
| freemangordon_ | hmm, weird | 14:41 |
| bencoh | looks like it's the stock version | 14:42 |
| bencoh | (according to maemo.org/packages) | 14:42 |
| Hxor | is anyone able to download gits using git clone on n900 | 14:43 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: hmm, yeah, seems somehow it does not depend on newer libglib. I wonder why DocScrutinizer05 had such dependency problems | 14:44 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: cssu-devel I guess | 14:45 |
| bencoh | (hand-picking from it, I mean) | 14:45 |
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| Vajb | i don't have libglib in my system | 14:56 |
| bencoh | wait, what ? | 14:56 |
| bencoh | no glib -> no gtk -> no hildon, are you running maemo ? :) | 14:57 |
| Vajb | apt-cache policy libglib | 14:57 |
| Vajb | W: Unable to locate package libglib | 14:57 |
| bencoh | Vajb: dpkg -l |grep libglib | 14:57 |
| Vajb | ah different string for that | 14:57 |
| Vajb | dpkg -l |grep libglib | 14:58 |
| Vajb | ii libglib2.0-0 2.24.1-1maemo1+0cssu0 The GLib library of C routines | 14:58 |
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| * Wizzup finally has streaming to his n900 working decently | 18:43 | |
| Wizzup | I'm managing 44100, 2 channels over wifi | 18:43 |
| Wizzup | pretty much realtime :) | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | wav? | 18:43 |
| KotCzarny | or lossy? | 18:44 |
| Wizzup | pulseaudio, so wav | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | o.o | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | you know you would be better with ANY compression? | 18:44 |
| Wizzup | I know that all other solutions are mostly non existent | 18:44 |
| KotCzarny | n900's wifi is very bandwidth limited | 18:44 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: It's playing as we speak, stable, for minutes | 18:44 |
| Wizzup | with a very good response time (200ms) | 18:45 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but i bet there are shoutcast and ogg solutions to stream close-to-realtime | 18:45 |
| Wizzup | All solutions I tried with sox,arecord/aplay,ssh,other compression had 8s+ latency | 18:45 |
| Wizzup | And this just works | 18:45 |
| Wizzup | So unless you're going to tell me I am burning through the wifi chip :) | 18:45 |
| Wizzup | (alt. was to use usbnet) | 18:45 |
| Wizzup | not only that, but this is mostly simple. | 18:46 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: nas? | 18:47 |
| Wizzup | What? | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Audio_System | 18:48 |
| Wizzup | So it's liked network attached STORAGE | 18:48 |
| KotCzarny | but you are right in a way that it will go to pa anyway | 18:50 |
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| KotCzarny | http://www.webrtc.org/faq | 18:53 |
| KotCzarny | another solution | 18:53 |
| Wizzup | How is this the best solution to stream from my laptop to the n900 though? | 18:54 |
| Wizzup | Like I said, It Just Works over wifi | 18:54 |
| Wizzup | and if speed or latency really was an issue, I'd use usbnet to the n900 | 18:54 |
| KotCzarny | in short, any internet-phone app would do | 18:55 |
| Wizzup | Except that none of them have pulseaudio and then inherent all the latency problems. | 18:55 |
| Wizzup | I really wonder if you understand all the things that pulseaudio does | 18:55 |
| Wizzup | It's not just "dump audio somewhere" | 18:56 |
| Wizzup | It calculates latency, adjusts for it, syncs, etc, etc. | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | and eats cpu needlessly | 18:56 |
| Wizzup | about 7%. | 18:56 |
| Wizzup | with the cpu downclocked | 18:56 |
| KotCzarny | if you understand any net-phone app does syncs too | 18:56 |
| Wizzup | and the n900 attached to power. | 18:56 |
| Wizzup | I have about 8 n900s. Why would I not use them? | 18:57 |
| Wizzup | You're really desperately trying to find a solution to a problem I don't have | 18:57 |
| KotCzarny | ok, no problem | 18:57 |
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| Sicelo | Wizzup: perhaps you can share your setup for us to use as well :) | 19:04 |
| Wizzup | I will | 19:05 |
| Sicelo | cool. thanks | 19:06 |
| * Sicelo must also find a place to drop the updated script derived from bq27200.sh for those N900 with bme-replacement. | 19:14 | |
| Sicelo | for me bnf has too little info | 19:14 |
| KotCzarny | sicelo: your personal wiki page? | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1478682&postcount=1 | 19:24 |
| Sicelo | just uploaded to tmo :) | 19:24 |
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| bencoh | a properply configured audio encoder will give you *far* less than 8s latency | 19:36 |
| bencoh | the issue is with buffering | 19:36 |
| KotCzarny | and there are close-to-realtime codecs too | 19:37 |
| bencoh | at previous $job I used to broadcast audio+video(fullhd) streams with a ~100ms latency | 19:37 |
| bencoh | (we could go down 80ms but had to spend a frame in the video decoder and some time in the mux buffer) | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<Wizzup> It calculates latency, adjusts for it)) to achieve what? | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Sicelo: I'll happily host such script on maemo.cloud-7.de | 20:31 |
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| KotCzarny | doc, who owns/programs infobot? | 20:36 |
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| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: great. it's already on the post above. only mod was to change the i2cget lines to extract the info from /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KotCzarny: | 20:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~owner | 20:41 |
| infobot | TimRiker is my owner | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | ~timriker | 20:41 |
| infobot | rumour has it, timriker is a noob who does c/p | 20:41 |
| KotCzarny | - timriker: No such nick/channel | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~factinfo timriker | 20:42 |
| infobot | timriker -- created by trolll <bc26ade0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.38.173.224> at Thu Aug 19 23:35:52 2010 (1810 days); it has been requested 68 times, last by KotCzarny, 19s ago. | 20:42 |
| KotCzarny | 1810 days? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 20:42 |
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| KotCzarny | ~seen timriker | 20:43 |
| infobot | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 2d 1h 58m 34s ago, saying: 'bot didn't clean up it's .pid file and would not restart. not sure why that happened. fixed.'. | 20:43 |
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| KotCzarny | ~infobot | 20:43 |
| infobot | it has been said that infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! | 20:43 |
| KotCzarny | is infobot inherent to maemo community or freenode? | 20:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | neither | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~+chaninfo | 20:51 |
| infobot | 123/123 channels, 4737 users, 3598 unique: #debian/1662, #kde/454, #gsoc/323, #asterisk/206, #maemo/188, #oe/147, #wowuidev/141, #wowace/97, #cubieboard/89, #utah/82, #neo900/79, #harmattan/72, #meego/60, #wowhead/59, #openmoko/57, #qi-hardware/54, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #maemo-ssu/48, #webos-internals/47, #arm-netbook/44, #curseforge/42, #elinux/38, #uphpu/29, #slug/26, #debianppc/25, #sc2mapster/23, #gllug/ | 20:51 |
| KotCzarny | not bad | 20:51 |
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