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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, ~canaima@ sounds familiar | 00:52 |
| Sicelo | DocScrutinizer05: usb blues .. N900 .. when connecting to PC, no USB prompt appears. when connecting wall charger, /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger is 1 | 00:58 |
| Sicelo | any suggestions? | 01:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 01:01 |
| Sicelo | or bad joint? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, check your USB cable, use a known-good USB port on PC, on PC tail -f /var/log/messages (or dmesg) to see if N900 shows up enumerating there when connecting N900 to PC USB *when powered down* | 01:03 |
| Sicelo | 2 different USB cables, which work 100% on 2nd N900 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do what I suggested, when the N900 doesn't enumerate in syslog (check against 2nd known good N900 if feasible), then there's a hw defect | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when it shows up in syslog as correctly enumerating, you got a sw problem | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or a bad USB cable that corrupts data | 01:06 |
| Sicelo | switched off N900 ... http://paste.debian.net/288508/ | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | PC needs to be linux to have a syslog - if that wasn't obvious ;-) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aug 3 00:04:58 whitehouse kernel: [370060.545566] usb 1-6: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105 | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your hardware is perfectly fine | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, simplest fix: reflash | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...since your problem is in software | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or find and squash the culprit | 01:10 |
| Sicelo | anything i could look at/for .. wish to avoid reflash, haha | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno, maybe ask pali or freemangordon, I'm actually not that familar anymore with that detail of how USB in maemo works | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | there are some scripts that get executed. And I think Pali fixed a few of them in CSSU | 01:11 |
| Sicelo | i'll look on tmo .. something about the USB menu ... not sure what bring it up | 01:11 |
| Sicelo | yeah | 01:11 |
| Sicelo | let me test USB host | 01:13 |
| Sicelo | crazy N900 ... i almost fried my port .. "fixed" the port 2 times :( | 01:15 |
| Sicelo | USB host works fine | 01:15 |
| Sicelo | playing a video from USB right now. so definitely it's a Maemo problem. at least I know I fixed the device correctly then :) | 01:17 |
| Sicelo | 2 x N900 resurrected. | 01:17 |
| Sicelo | the N9 .. i need a new port, just dunno where i can get it | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you ask about the swapped pins? | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah you did | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's pretty weird I dunno what's your exact problem. How could pins be swapped on a SMD USB port? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe you meant the whole port is upside down? then you jave the wrong component | 01:20 |
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| Sicelo | the whole port is upside down yes. but, shouldn't it be pin-compatible? | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need a port with same orientation | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 01:20 |
| Sicelo | anyway, the N9 is not mine .. so it can wait :) | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | your plug gets twisted a 180°, and thus the pins are lright-to-left instead left2right | 01:21 |
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| Sicelo | i will check other shops for the right component | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need a USB receptacle component that doesn't twist plug orientation | 01:22 |
| Sicelo | this was the only one i could find locally (RS Components) | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what happened to the original receptacle? | 01:23 |
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| Sicelo | i wish i knew .. the inside was all gone | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh! | 01:25 |
| Sicelo | abuse | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't you order a new one at ebay or whatever? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | finding one locally might turn out to be a quite demanding task or even mission impossible | 01:26 |
| Sicelo | by the way .. in Maemo the N900 enumerates & disconnects many tmes .. but when off, just once. | 01:28 |
| Sicelo | still suspect SW? | 01:29 |
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| xN9x | hey im getting errors while installing packages via dpkg -i | 02:15 |
| xN9x | dpkg: error processing obex-data-server_0.4.6-0ubuntu1_armel.deb (--install): | 02:16 |
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| xN9x | anyone got any ideas | 02:18 |
| Sicelo | bnt? | 02:18 |
| xN9x | bnt? | 02:21 |
| xN9x | im new to n900 | 02:22 |
| Luke-Jr | you realise N900 is dead? :p | 02:22 |
| Luke-Jr | for years now.. | 02:22 |
| xN9x | yeah but im tryna download amerl debian files from deb packages | 02:24 |
| xN9x | so how do iget software then | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: c'mon shut up | 02:27 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: why? it's true | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's absolutely not helpful | 02:28 |
| Luke-Jr | but I'm genuinely curious why someone would start using N900 today. :/ | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and evidently not true either | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you're curious you have a strange way to ask | 02:29 |
| xN9x | So i can't do anything with it | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xN9x: you can get software | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind Luke-Jr | 02:30 |
| Luke-Jr | xN9x: debs are not usually compatible between different systems; I don't think Ubuntu debs are likely to ever work on N900 (someone correct me if I'm wrong) | 02:30 |
| xN9x | Doscrutinizer05 how lol? been trying for ages am i ment to be downloading via dpkg ? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xN9x: you generally are supposed to use HAM | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ham | 02:31 |
| infobot | from memory, ham is Hildon Application Manager. Slow as molasses. Anticipate you got time for a beer or two until it finishes whatever it does, or see ~speedyham | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need to fix catalog list since Nokia repos went south | 02:31 |
| xN9x | No i cant use ham lol it don't even load and i get repo errors | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repos | 02:31 |
| infobot | from memory, repos is deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./;; deb http://mirrors.muarf.org/maemo/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./ | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repository | 02:32 |
| xN9x | so disable all and just add them ? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~repositories | 02:32 |
| infobot | repositories are frequently old. | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maneo-repos | 02:32 |
| Luke-Jr | lol infobot | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-repos | 02:32 |
| infobot | rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories | 02:32 |
| xN9x | im trying to download software that is not listed in them repos via debain packages | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 | 02:34 |
| xN9x | ive tried them before they dont work :/ | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they work for everybody else | 02:35 |
| xN9x | how do i add them | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but seems you're about to invent a smarter method of handling the situation than what a dozen experts came up with | 02:36 |
| xN9x | not really smart | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 02:37 |
| xN9x | what installing software from debain packages lol? | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM, open menu and display catalogs. There's an option to edit or add catalogs, and the fields are labeled exactly like in http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 | 02:38 |
| xN9x | yeah but when i do that none of the downloads show up :'/ | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it takes like 15 minutes to complete | 02:40 |
| xN9x | so sould i just delete all the repos i have and use these? | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | depending on your internet connection maybe even longer | 02:41 |
| xN9x | i got fibre optic | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never delete repos, you can disable them | 02:41 |
| xN9x | right okay | 02:41 |
| xN9x | then just update via terminal | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ?? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you are supposed to use HAM | 02:42 |
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| xN9x | ??'? | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please read the fine page http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository | 02:42 |
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| xN9x | ohh okay | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *completely* | 02:42 |
| xN9x | no look ive done all of it lol | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>>Power users ***who understand that these packages might still be risky to use*** and are ***able to recover*** from any problems then install and test the packages. When enough testers have given a vote of approval, the packages are again promoted, this time to Extras<<< | 02:44 |
| xN9x | added them all yeah and guess what same stuff. unable to load listing | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~question | 02:46 |
| infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 02:46 |
| xN9x | i gave my answer you just didn't read it correctly | 02:46 |
| xN9x | quistion* | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *plonk* | 02:46 |
| xN9x | put it simple boots phone -> default packages dont work -> adds all packages via ham -> packages dont work nothing loads no update availbe -_- | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bin the device | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's dead | 02:48 |
| xN9x | you just said n900 aint dead | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I been mistaken | 02:48 |
| xN9x | bins phone -> package manager not working | 02:49 |
| Luke-Jr | better yet: ship it to DocScrutinizer05 ;) | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't | 02:49 |
| Luke-Jr | eh? I figured you could use the case | 02:49 |
| xN9x | please: sudo rm -f /dev/sda | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: customs is a nightmare, and used devices are useless basically | 02:50 |
| Luke-Jr | there are non-used cases out there? :O | 02:50 |
| xN9x | ehhh flashed the device latest firmware | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | refurbished ones in mint condition, yes | 02:50 |
| xN9x | Still aint working. | 02:50 |
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| Ianus | hey anyonee using n900 | 02:56 |
| xN9x | Here: <----- | 02:56 |
| Ianus | :P | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ianus: guess! | 02:56 |
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| Ianus | what peeps using them for ? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err what device is it? | 02:57 |
| xN9x | ATM to wipe my ass with | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ianus: I think it's a phone (and more), and that's what I use it for | 02:57 |
| Luke-Jr | Ianus: I use it for VNC to my PC | 02:58 |
| Ianus | is that slow ? | 02:59 |
| Luke-Jr | yes, because my home ISP is DSL crap | 02:59 |
| Ianus | cos of the RAM limitation | 02:59 |
| Luke-Jr | RAM is only annoying when I try to run Gentoo on it, tbh | 02:59 |
| Ianus | ahh | 02:59 |
| Ianus | See I got RPi as well and when you add a battery they make awesome combination. | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RAM limitation is a problem, yes. But not as bad as you might think, when you don't use ram greedy apps | 03:00 |
| Ianus | i agree there | 03:00 |
| Luke-Jr | I actually got qtwebkit to link on N900 the other day | 03:00 |
| Luke-Jr | had to kill most of Maemo, but it finally finished.. | 03:00 |
| Ianus | lol, Im currently looking for a way to kickstart some new tools | 03:01 |
| Luke-Jr | nuts, forgot to ask Pali why fcam wasn't included in power kernel | 03:01 |
| Ianus | theres a few PSK tools im after they compile on arch linux nice and debian but i cant seem to get it compiling for n900 | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: hm? | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think fcam is no (has no) kernel module | 03:03 |
| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: last time I checked (2010?), fcam required kernel patches; I didn't see those in the current power kernel, so I was curious | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think fcam ever required kernel patches | 03:04 |
| Luke-Jr | eh, I have: http://codepad.org/K3Jod569 | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it requires a driver that matches the kernel afaik | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm pretty sure fcam didn't flash a new kernel back when I installed it | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm ok, it has kernel *modules*. I stand corrected. Actually a valid question why those are not bundled with KP | 03:06 |
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| Ianus | brb just reinstalled so my tmux isnt setup right | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: it's in fact a very "good" example how to mess up stuff by not properly implementing dependencies | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I recall you had to uninstall *all* camera stuff (except the stock camera that prolly has no dependencies at all since it gets handled by MP depends), after each kernel update | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just to allow updating of the kernel module from fcam | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh hi svetlana :-) | 03:16 |
| svetlana | Hello. :-) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Luke-Jr: where from comes that fcam kernel module? | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't apt get convinced to re-update it as soon as anything $kernel gets touched? | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no apt expert here, but isn't there a thing called "hooks" or somesuch? | 03:25 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: no idea, I just know I had patched it into fremantle-power-sources for Gentoo | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ch02.html#hooks | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *iirc* it was possible to make pkg-A install a hook on pkg-B that executes stuff pkg-A needs to get done whenever pkg-B gets touched by apt | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, at *very least*, the fcam pkg could install a generic hook that gets executed every time apt (or dpkg) quits, and then that fcam tool stub could check if the fcam kernel module is still installed or not, and act accordingly | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, I don't see why fcam kernel module doesn't ship with KP | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | svetlana: :-D you're running for councilor? great! | 03:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to even vote this time | 03:47 | |
| svetlana | Yes; I am hoping to get a more thorough, both technical and not, insight into the project. Thanks to Wikiwide (Oksana) for suggesting that. | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for the technical aspects there's a great wiki and a similarly great community. you'll love it. For the non technical aspects, it's a pity that there's no mail archive of council email at all. You'll learn to frown at many aspects of that part | 03:56 |
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| Hxor | hello | 09:20 |
| svetlana | Hi. | 09:21 |
| Hxor | thank you. | 09:21 |
| svetlana | I am new here but ...yeah, it's not quite dead here today. | 09:22 |
| kerio | it's pretty dead, overall | 09:23 |
| Hxor | more people in here than most chans | 09:23 |
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| svetlana | There is a channel which is ten times larger than this one. But yeah, among the maemo ones it's pretty big. | 09:24 |
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| Hxor | ahh cool | 09:28 |
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| Hxor | does anyone know if its possible to download etherape on n900 | 09:31 |
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| Oksana | Hxor: It's not in maemo repositories. You could download it from Debian repositories, though; a package built for armel. Somewhere around https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/gnome/etherape , since maemo already has bonobo 2.22 packaged, and libc6 2.5 . | 09:50 |
| KotCzarny | hxor, yes. wget is available | 09:50 |
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| Sicelo | how do i switch off the LEDs? | 12:06 |
| Sicelo | they were switched on by USB-mode (blue), and even though i'm back on peripheral mode, still blue. i don't want to restart | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | i think you can control leds via /sys/ somewhere | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | ~leds | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | ~led | 12:09 |
| infobot | hmm... led is (Light Emitting Diode) A piece of electronics that emits light when a current is passed through it. It does not work the same way as a light bulb so it does not have the problem of burning out. It also only emits a few frequencies of light so it is a specific color. | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_LED | 12:09 |
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| Sicelo | looks like mce is involved .. not sure how | 12:20 |
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| KotCzarny | doc: can infobot do searches in wiki titles? | 12:29 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | KotCzarny: I believe so | 14:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~wiki LED | 14:05 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Redirect|LED}} {{Use mdy dates|date=March 2013}} {{Infobox electronic component |name = Light-emitting diode |image = File:RBG-LED.jpg |image_size = |caption = Blue, pure green, and red LEDs in 5 mm diffused cases |type = Passive, optoelectronic |working_principle = Electroluminescence |invented = Oleg Losev (1927){{cite news | ... | 14:05 |
| KotCzarny | cool trick | 14:06 |
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| KotCzarny | is there one for maemo wiki? | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | nope | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | can we have one? | 14:06 |
| svetlana | :) | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | ~google maemo led | 14:06 |
| KotCzarny | um | 14:06 |
| sixwheeledbeast | maemo's mediawiki is old and would need a lot of work to upgrade I was told. | 14:07 |
| svetlana | I hope the work involved is only porting the theme over. Right? | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | swb: i think infobot uses custom code anyway, i even offer writing one if i know which language it runs | 14:07 |
| KotCzarny | svetlana: i believe mediawiki is a bit more than just a theme | 14:08 |
| svetlana | I was hoping it is reasonably backwards compatible but ok, ok, I see. | 14:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I am not sure, I believe new useful mediawiki modules cannot be used on our old wiki | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | infobot is perl | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | IIRC | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | swb: who is the owner? doc? | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | owner of wiki? | 14:09 |
| KotCzarny | bot | 14:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :shrug: it's open source I believed, and sits on a server somewhere watching the channel. | 14:10 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~w infobot | 14:10 |
| * infobot hold her/his/its fingers/phalanges/appendages in the form of a "w" and says "\/\/hatever infobot" | 14:10 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~wiki infobot | 14:10 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobot (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox software | name = Infobot | logo = | screenshot = | caption = | collapsible = | author = Kevin Lenzo | developer = | released = 1995 | latest release version = 1.5.3 | latest release date = {{release date and age|2008|08|01}} | latest preview version = | latest preview date = | frequently updated = | programming language = Perl | operating system = Unix-like | plat | 14:11 |
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| svetlana | ~source | 14:11 |
| infobot | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. | 14:11 |
| svetlana | augh | 14:11 |
| svetlana | She is a guest from the Debian world :) | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | nah, it just 'learns' from the channels | 14:12 |
| KotCzarny | ~she | 14:12 |
| infobot | from memory, she is not | 14:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | learns from people on the channel telling it to remember factiods. | 14:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~he | 14:13 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, he is on random worlds | 14:13 |
| KotCzarny | ~sixwheeledbeast | 14:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hm | 14:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~fmg | 14:14 |
| infobot | fmg is, like, the greatest | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | infobot: sixwheeledbeast is https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast | 14:14 |
| infobot | KotCzarny: okay | 14:14 |
| KotCzarny | ~sixwheeledbeast | 14:15 |
| infobot | from memory, sixwheeledbeast is https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 14:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~beasttweaks | 14:15 |
| infobot | hmm... beasttweaks is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Sixwheeledbeast/Scripts | 14:15 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ;) | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | add it to your wiki page | 14:15 |
| KotCzarny | ie. describe it a bit | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | though not neccessary that much | 14:16 |
| KotCzarny | also, they are more hacks than scripts | 14:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I hardly get time for anything Maemo any more... I spotted your question and answered. This is my lunch break | 14:17 |
| KotCzarny | no worries | 14:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree, it started as scripts and turned into my hacks page | 14:17 |
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| stick_ | ~flashing | 14:30 |
| infobot | [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh | 14:30 |
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| kerio | web sysadmins: the "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" you're shipping in the cert chain for https://maemo.org/ is the wrong one | 16:20 |
| kerio | you should be using the SHA256 one from startcom | 16:21 |
| warfare | kerio: Whoops, thanks. | 16:23 |
| kerio | i think that chrome will still not complain | 16:24 |
| kerio | but, yknow | 16:24 |
| warfare | Eh, better safe than sorry. I'll fix it tonight, I'm still missing the right SSH keys on the work laptop. | 16:25 |
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| * Luke-Jr kicks N900 for randomly rebooting suddenly :| | 22:56 | |
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| bencoh | poor thing | 23:06 |
| bencoh | Luke-Jr: heavy usbnet traffic? | 23:07 |
| Luke-Jr | bencoh: just SSH :/ | 23:08 |
| Luke-Jr | it rebooted when I left it idle overnight | 23:08 |
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| Luke-Jr | although I did SIGSTOP dsme and maemo-launcher.. maybe that's related | 23:08 |
| Luke-Jr | although the reboot this afternoon was normal Maemo runtime, during fsck of microsd | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | s/fsck/mkfs/ | 23:09 |
| infobot | Luke-Jr meant: although the reboot this afternoon was normal Maemo runtime, during mkfs of microsd | 23:09 |
| Luke-Jr | at least mkfs completed this time.. | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sigstop dsme might indeed not be a smart thing to do | 23:11 |
| kerio | rofl | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and depending on the way it handles renaming the process, sigstop maemo-launcher might actually stop ~50% of processes on maemo (unless I mix launcher and loader here, the one telling the other what "binary" to exec() ) | 23:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ever wondered why strace $random_maemo_app often fails massively? it simply invokes launcher which is symlinked to $random_maemo_app, which in turn sends a dbus msg to the siamese twin process that is already preloaded and simply does a exec($random_maemo_app.launch) | 23:15 |
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| Luke-Jr | DocScrutinizer05: well, I no longer care about the Maemo processes when I do this - I just SIGSTOP them so they stop spawning crap | 23:40 |
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