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| L29Ah | valid discharge flag is preserved during suspend to ram, reboot and turn off-on cycle | 08:29 |
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| L29Ah | what's the proper way to backup the nand contents? | 08:42 |
| L29Ah | just dumping /dev/mtd* stuff of a live system sounds sad | 08:42 |
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| KotCzarny | l29ah: why care? it will get valid on the next cycle | 09:09 |
| L29Ah | because my cycles are HUGE | 09:09 |
| KotCzarny | hehe, that's memo worthy ;) | 09:12 |
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| kerio | L29Ah: dumping /dev/mtd* on a live system is also pretty damn useless | 10:06 |
| L29Ah | why? | 10:07 |
| L29Ah | i guess i'll get something broken but not fatally | 10:07 |
| KotCzarny | because journal is in memory still | 10:07 |
| L29Ah | sync(1) | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 10:08 |
| L29Ah | huh? | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | mtd is just that | 10:08 |
| L29Ah | huh? | 10:08 |
| KotCzarny | just kidding | 10:08 |
| kerio | just use backupmenu | 10:12 |
| kerio | or something like that | 10:12 |
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| KotCzarny | or make your system to boot to microsd | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | then you can simply use tar.gz | 10:13 |
| KotCzarny | or rsync | 10:13 |
| kerio | you can do that anyway | 10:14 |
| kerio | but you really ought to copy *files* to make a backup of a unix system | 10:14 |
| KotCzarny | tar and rsync know what do | 10:15 |
| L29Ah | i'm yet to learn the purpose of all these mtd partitions | 10:15 |
| L29Ah | i don't backup the unix system, i backup the device state | 10:15 |
| L29Ah | to be able to flash it back with some 0xffff | 10:15 |
| kerio | yes | 10:15 |
| kerio | that's not how ubifs works | 10:16 |
| kerio | you can't backup the physical status of your mtd chip | 10:16 |
| L29Ah | i know about wear leveling stuff | 10:16 |
| KotCzarny | learn how to make fiasco images | 10:17 |
| KotCzarny | most likely its what you want | 10:17 |
| L29Ah | failed to google that out | 10:18 |
| L29Ah | more time investment seems unreasonable anyway | 10:19 |
| L29Ah | i guess i just dive in with uboot and multikernel stuff | 10:19 |
| kerio | or | 10:20 |
| kerio | you know | 10:20 |
| kerio | backupmenu | 10:20 |
| kerio | or just boot rescueos and do the tarring manually | 10:20 |
| kerio | it's literally the same thing | 10:20 |
| KotCzarny | will backupmenu backup /usr/local/ and other hand made filesystem changes? | 10:20 |
| kerio | backupmenu will back up the contents of ubi0:rootfs and /dev/mmcblk0p2 | 10:21 |
| KotCzarny | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7972 | 10:22 |
| povbot | Bug 7972: Kernel in PR1.1 build-depends on fiasco-gen which is nowhere to be found | 10:22 |
| KotCzarny | fiasco-gen | 10:22 |
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| KotCzarny | Fiasco-gen was published in PR1.1.1 SDK, now in non-free in SDK. | 10:28 |
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| L29Ah | uboot failed to use the filesystem :[ | 10:38 |
| L29Ah | the ubi one | 10:39 |
| kerio | ripperoni | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | i wonder if we can recreate whole fs by dropping all those mtds and just use 2 | 10:42 |
| KotCzarny | 1 for nolo and stuff and 2 for system | 10:42 |
| kerio | good luck | 10:43 |
| L29Ah | KotCzarny: what's the point? | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: fun and hacking | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | 'to see if that could work' | 10:43 |
| L29Ah | yep it could | 10:44 |
| L29Ah | but it's useless | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | also, dropping ubi for simplification | 10:44 |
| kerio | what | 10:44 |
| kerio | the | 10:45 |
| kerio | FUCK | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | but i plan to run a system from microsd | 10:45 |
| L29Ah | hmm | 10:45 |
| L29Ah | i guess u-boot doesn't like my ext2 for some reason | 10:45 |
| kerio | pali's uboot doesn't support extfs, iirc | 10:46 |
| L29Ah | no power kernel for me | 10:46 |
| L29Ah | the update script contents mention ext2 | 10:46 |
| kerio | which is why the provided script adds stuff to MyDocs | 10:46 |
| kerio | which is vfat | 10:46 |
| L29Ah | echo "Supported filesystems for first eMMC partition:" | 10:47 |
| L29Ah | echo "ext2 ext3 ext4 vfat" | 10:47 |
| kerio | hm | 10:47 |
| kerio | there was *something* that i was expecting to be supported but wasn't | 10:48 |
| L29Ah | also i have the actual menu working | 10:48 |
| L29Ah | so ext2 must be hooked in well afaiu | 10:48 |
| L29Ah | > setenv mmctype fat | 10:49 |
| L29Ah | mmkay | 10:49 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 10:49 |
| L29Ah | i guess i need to poke pali | 10:49 |
| kerio | what fails in the boot process? | 10:50 |
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| L29Ah | replaced fat to ext2 in the bootmenu generator, still no luck | 10:53 |
| L29Ah | kerio: i get "** Unrecognized filesystem type **" in uboot when i pick the non-attached kernel in nand | 10:54 |
| L29Ah | i guess i'll move it to mmc | 10:54 |
| kerio | i should make a backup | 10:55 |
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| L29Ah | okay i did it | 11:06 |
| L29Ah | default menu stuff is crap | 11:06 |
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| kerio | alright i got 28mb free on root | 11:13 |
| kerio | is this sensible | 11:13 |
| kerio | i don't think it's sensible | 11:13 |
| kerio | 28 is very very little | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | depends | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | are you going to install something? | 11:13 |
| kerio | irrelevant | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | relevant | 11:13 |
| KotCzarny | isnt used by user in any way | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | unless you are making systemwide changes | 11:14 |
| KotCzarny | and if you really care, move stuff to /opt and symlink it back | 11:14 |
| L29Ah | i have 50 available | 11:18 |
| L29Ah | sure it's sensible as you have 256 total | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | i just move things to /opt as i go | 11:18 |
| kerio | yeah that's fair enough | 11:18 |
| KotCzarny | but i also have gcc and friends on the device | 11:19 |
| kerio | i have disabled ubifs compression | 11:19 |
| L29Ah | :] | 11:19 |
| kerio | i guess it's sensible enough | 11:19 |
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| pentanol | hello, I have question about n900 and sim-menu. I use russia celular provider mts and with the same sim card I have on another phone(also nokia) mts-info sim-menu for different services from phone provider. And I can't found this menu on the n900. | 11:28 |
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| KotCzarny | its not android | 11:30 |
| KotCzarny | ah, you mean the sim card simmenu | 11:30 |
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| KotCzarny | im afraid you are without luck here | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/sim_toolkit/ | 11:31 |
| KotCzarny | maybe you have some ussd codes as a second way ? | 11:33 |
| pentanol | sim toolkit that an application for n900? | 11:35 |
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| kerio | what decides how to crypt() passwords? | 11:38 |
| kerio | and whether or not to use /etc/shadow | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | pam maybe | 11:38 |
| kerio | there's no pam | 11:38 |
| KotCzarny | and system uses shadow if there is trash in password field in /etc/password | 11:39 |
| kerio | does it | 11:39 |
| KotCzarny | as for the algo its included in the hashed pass | 11:39 |
| L29Ah | i guess it's up to login(1) if there's no pam | 11:39 |
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| kerio | alright /etc/shadow is checked if it exists | 11:46 |
| kerio | but the only advanced crypt() algorithm we have is md5 | 11:46 |
| L29Ah | it's salted so you shouldn't care much | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | are you seriously caring about passwords on the device? | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | there is so many ways to hack it | 11:47 |
| KotCzarny | rescueui for a start | 11:48 |
| kerio | this is to maybe allow remote password auth | 11:49 |
| pentanol | KotCzarny I don't have sim toolkit in list of applications, only sim-switcher. where I can found sim-toolkit.install? | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | pentanol: from a quick google, its basically unsupported because required libraries are closed by nokia | 11:49 |
| KotCzarny | and not supporting it | 11:50 |
| kerio | yay, it works | 11:50 |
| KotCzarny | and probably sim switcher works because it uses ussd commands (i think) | 11:50 |
| L29Ah | kerio: who needs passwords on n900 anyway? | 11:53 |
| L29Ah | what for? | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: sshd | 11:53 |
| KotCzarny | and other services | 11:53 |
| kerio | do you really have passwordless sudo | 11:53 |
| L29Ah | key | 11:53 |
| L29Ah | yep | 11:53 |
| kerio | nice | 11:53 |
| kerio | so any arbitrary remote code execution is also a remote privilege escalation | 11:53 |
| L29Ah | yep | 11:54 |
| L29Ah | go install selinux on n900 | 11:54 |
| kerio | cool story bro | 11:54 |
| L29Ah | :] | 11:54 |
| KotCzarny | first and foremost, gsm networks dont assing external ip to you | 11:54 |
| L29Ah | user has all the interesting privileges anyway | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | and on wifi networks you should be on some uni network or something to be really under any kind of attack | 11:55 |
| L29Ah | i think you can even brick the thing using only user | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: yes, you can: echo ". /blah/blah" >> ~/.profile | 11:55 |
| L29Ah | and no one cares enough to compile an arm code to hack your n900 anyway | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | then try to reboot | 11:55 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 11:55 |
| L29Ah | ah yeah :3 | 11:56 |
| KotCzarny | seriously | 11:56 |
| drathir | any open hotspot is security threat... | 11:57 |
| KotCzarny | being on unsecure networks is a security threat | 11:57 |
| L29Ah | being is a security threat | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | consequence of living is death, dont live! | 11:58 |
| L29Ah | i never asked for this! | 11:58 |
| KotCzarny | now you know | 11:59 |
| drathir | why not harder the life to attacker? | 11:59 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: most attacks are social engineering ones | 11:59 |
| L29Ah | drathir: i prefer to do actual stuff and account for the risks instead | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | but seriously, i have the same system on my laptop, plain slackware, for more than 10 years i was connected directly and indirectly to unsecure networks, im hosting things via sshd/httpd | 12:00 |
| L29Ah | the worst case of a hacked n900 is a need to flash the thing over | 12:01 |
| L29Ah | and no music for some time that is just horrible and incompatible with living | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: unless one specifically wants to f*ck you up and clears the nolo | 12:01 |
| L29Ah | is usb handled by nolo? | 12:01 |
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| KotCzarny | but 1/ he needs to target you specifically, 2/ has to know what to do | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | l29ah: think about nolo as a bios | 12:02 |
| L29Ah | i thought the device is new enough to have a smart bootloader in the rom in the soc | 12:02 |
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| KotCzarny | is there any rom on n900? | 12:02 |
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| drathir | at n900 i guess the enough will be the encrypted storage space different pass than phone lock code.../ | 12:05 |
| L29Ah | haxor will hax u and dump all the stuff after you enter the password | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | seriously, are you guys high value targets of hackers? | 12:06 |
| drathir | L29Ah: but You secure from unauthorised access to device... | 12:07 |
| drathir | in case You loose them... | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: who is that unauthorized accessor? wife? kids? | 12:07 |
| KotCzarny | or in another way, what sensible data you store on it? | 12:07 |
| * L29Ah got a custom to type "hacked" into any accessible terminals | 12:08 | |
| L29Ah | hacked some friends this way | 12:08 |
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| L29Ah | i'm a hackor | 12:08 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: devil is everywhere ^^ | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | nope, you are a kidder | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | there is no devil, there are only people | 12:08 |
| KotCzarny | (and mental illnesses) | 12:08 |
| L29Ah | competition is a mental illness | 12:09 |
| drathir | personally in my opinion never too much security... | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | competition is a part of surviving skills | 12:09 |
| KotCzarny | drathir: first and foremost rule, assume your device WILL be hacked | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | then just dont keep anything of value here | 12:10 |
| L29Ah | drathir: there's never too much food | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | as i said, rescueos | 12:10 |
| KotCzarny | and unless you have come cryptfs in place, its all plain text | 12:10 |
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| drathir | KotCzarny: at n900 no big deal there is ssh able to remote keep things when needed... | 12:11 |
| KotCzarny | http://zitstif.no-ip.org/?p=694 | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | unrelated but fun | 12:12 |
| drathir | but still encryption of whole device is always good thing... | 12:12 |
| KotCzarny | thats why i said about running whole os from microsd | 12:12 |
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| KotCzarny | cryptfs the fs and ask for password on boot | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 12:13 |
| KotCzarny | if you lose your device, battery will run out and be inaccessible afterwards | 12:13 |
| drathir | KotCzarny: yes thats is good thing... | 12:14 |
| L29Ah | 100% haxor site | 12:15 |
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| Sicelo | by the way, SIM Toolkit is a real threat, especially now that rogue cell towers are a big reality | 14:32 |
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| Pali | DON'T PANIC, tomorrow is towel day and you should know where your towel is :-) | 17:53 |
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| drathir | Pali: thanks for remember ^^ | 18:58 |
| Pali | :-) | 18:58 |
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| * L29Ah wonders what magic sysrq on n900 is | 22:02 | |
| KotCzarny | alt-sysrq? | 22:02 |
| KotCzarny | map the key | 22:02 |
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| L29Ah | wtf n900 sshd started to ask me the password for some reason | 22:07 |
| KotCzarny | you got haket! | 22:07 |
| L29Ah | totally | 22:08 |
| KotCzarny | are you sure you arent suffering from short term amnesia or splitted personalities? | 22:08 |
| L29Ah | i hope so | 22:09 |
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| L29Ah | okay i suck | 22:11 |
| L29Ah | entered ! instead of * into /etc/passwd | 22:11 |
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| L29Ah | strange: sometimes n900 won't autoconnect to the wifi net after a reboot | 22:14 |
| Sicelo | WPA2-Enterprise? | 22:16 |
| L29Ah | no | 22:16 |
| L29Ah | wtf, i have fresh files lost after a reboot | 22:16 |
| L29Ah | even though i even called sync(1) | 22:16 |
| L29Ah | files were on ext2 on the internal mmc | 22:16 |
| KotCzarny | maybe internal chip has some buffering | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | but i have such situations on pc too | 22:18 |
| KotCzarny | having ext3 helps a bit | 22:18 |
| L29Ah | somehow kernel-power failed to mount ext{3,4} | 22:19 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | but worked with ext2? | 22:20 |
| L29Ah | yep | 22:20 |
| KotCzarny | recompile it and just use ext4 module with backward compatibility and disable ext2/3 | 22:20 |
| drathir | L29Ah: lol its normal at first sshd instal it force to setup a pass ^^ | 22:20 |
| L29Ah | wow i got a backtrace from 4.1 :] | 22:21 |
| L29Ah | and it shut down | 22:21 |
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| KotCzarny | keep hacking | 22:22 |
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| L29Ah | i guess it's maemo shutting stuff down | 22:24 |
| L29Ah | as looks like init is run | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | could be, pass init=/bin/bash | 22:25 |
| KotCzarny | or something | 22:25 |
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| L29Ah | the kernel image file vanished again | 22:28 |
| L29Ah | ffs | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | :> | 22:28 |
| KotCzarny | boot via flasher (without flashing) | 22:28 |
| L29Ah | i can boot with the attached image | 22:29 |
| L29Ah | anyway this is a serious problem | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | which one/ | 22:29 |
| KotCzarny | unstable flash? | 22:29 |
| L29Ah | the lost files one | 22:29 |
| L29Ah | qemu-user doesn't want to work :[ | 22:30 |
| L29Ah | fuck yeah bash | 22:42 |
| L29Ah | dammit it shut down anyway | 22:42 |
| L29Ah | i guess i need to disable some watchdog thingie | 22:43 |
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| {-0-} | Hi! (new to n900, as in yesterday) I want to do bluetooth tethering via another phone (symbian so massive battery life) and usb otg, bt-dun-client requires a kernel update and ( I think, from reading ) otg needs cssu, will this work without harming the ovi maps on my n900? | 23:14 |
| {-0-} | should I install the bootmenu first and do it baby steps? | 23:15 |
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| Sicelo | ovi maps has no relation to kernel | 23:15 |
| L29Ah | nah just apt-get install kernel-power and you're fine | 23:16 |
| L29Ah | not sure if it will support the required bluetooth thing tho | 23:16 |
| * L29Ah failed making bluetooth working | 23:16 | |
| Sicelo | yes | 23:16 |
| {-0-} | ok, for that I grab apps/developer and gainroot? then kernel power? | 23:17 |
| {-0-} | should I do bootmenu first? | 23:18 |
| {-0-} | sorry for all the questions, just alike a recipe, ingredients in the wrong order and the cake is a biscuit! | 23:19 |
| L29Ah | Pali: can i disable the watchdog from linux for until a reboot? | 23:19 |
| KotCzarny | isnt watchdog a kernel thing? | 23:19 |
| Pali | L29Ah: yes, load watchdog driver with nowayout=0 param | 23:19 |
| Pali | no, watchdog is HW thing which can be configured | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | hmm | 23:20 |
| KotCzarny | good to know | 23:20 |
| Sicelo | {-0-}: depends on what you really want to do with your device. backupmenu is a good first recommendation ... will help you not have to flash | 23:20 |
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| {-0-} | Sicelo, ok, will do, thank you | 23:25 |
| L29Ah | the kernel spams "clock: dpll1_ck failed transition to 'locked'" every 5s and hangs for some time | 23:27 |
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